The daughter is so annoying, like hell. She’s acting like her mother is a toy and being so petty about it. It’s her mother’s life—she can decide who she wants to date, and Mi Rae shouldn’t be a roadblock in their lives. If you want to be angry at your father then be angry at him but don't order your mom and brother to do the same if they don't want to.
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Oh, pulling the ‘You Have No Argument’ card again, I see. How original! It's fascinating how you keep shouting that my argument is non-existent while ignoring the actual points I’ve raised. The fact that this thread is mostly ‘bitching’ about female leads proves my point more than it disproves it—yes, female characters do get criticized, but it’s the way that MLs are held to different standards for the same actions. And here you are, accusing me of making it up as I go along. Classic.
Now, let’s talk about the ‘reading comments’ bit. I’ve seen the complaints about Yuan Mo and how his every small fault gets magnified. Meanwhile, Ah Shu can do whatever she wants, throw a temper tantrum, and somehow it’s an act of ‘independence.’ But if the ML reacts with even an ounce of frustration or jealousy, suddenly he’s a ‘walking red flag.’ So, no, I haven’t missed those comments; I’ve just noticed how the reactions are incredibly skewed depending on the character’s gender. But I guess calling out double standards now makes me an expert in ‘gaslighting,’ right?
Oh, and that ‘disgusting female viewers’ line—seems like that really hit home. Funny how you keep bringing up ‘chauvinism’ like it’s your get-out-of-argument-free card. I get it, the word’s a convenient catch-all when you don’t want to actually engage with the substance of the debate. I called out inconsistencies and boom, now I’m a chauvinist. What a plot twist.
So, rather than labeling me with buzzwords like ‘gaslighting’ and ‘bloviating,’ maybe try addressing how these female characters can act irrationally and it’s considered ‘strong character development,’ but MLs who dare to have emotions are immediately scrutinized as being problematic. Or are we just going to keep playing the strawman game where any criticism of an FL is automatically sexist? I'll wait patiently for that actual argument I haven't seen yet.
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Ah, the ‘Mommy’s Candy’ excuse—how charming. It’s truly a spectacle to see you deflect from the real issues by bringing up personal anecdotes. If you find my arguments so ‘lame,’ it’s odd that you keep circling back to them instead of offering something substantive.
Your insistence that there’s no double standard and that male characters are critiqued just as harshly is laughable. If comment sections are so rife with critiques of male characters, why does it seem like the female characters get a free pass? It’s almost as if the ‘disgusting female viewers’ you deride are only part of a broader trend of overlooking inconsistencies.
You claim my argument is non-existent while ignoring the fact that your responses avoid addressing the crux of my points. If you’ve really ‘addressed’ my arguments in your first post, it’s a shame it wasn’t more effective. So, let’s cut through the personal attacks and actually debate the issues if you’re capable. Until then, enjoy spinning in circles while I continue to challenge the inconsistencies you seem so keen to ignore.
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Interesting pivot to the ‘Language Skills’ critique—always a classic move when the arguments run dry. If my responses seem repetitive, it’s probably because your replies haven’t directly addressed the core issues I raised.
Instead of tackling the substance of the critique, you’ve chosen to question my comprehension, which is a convenient way to avoid engaging with the actual discussion. If you can’t or won’t address the arguments, maybe it’s time to step back and reconsider your approach. I’m here for a debate, not a personal evaluation, so let’s stick to discussing the points if you’re up for it.
Is anyone else having subtitle issues with this drama? Sometimes, conversations between characters get hidden or cut short due to special words, such as character names, places, or song lyrics. Is there any solution to this problem?
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Oh, the irony! You’re absolutely right—I must be the villain for suggesting that the FL’s actions should be scrutinized as harshly as the ML’s, and for having the audacity to question why female characters get a ‘free pass’ while male characters are grilled over every minor flaw. Your indignation is truly inspiring, especially considering you’re defending a system where any critique of female characters is automatically deemed ‘chauvinistic.’
It’s adorable how you claim I’m imposing ‘faux morals’ while completely ignoring the fact that my comments were aimed at highlighting double standards in character portrayal. And yes, let’s ignore the fact that my critique was about balancing the narrative, not creating some utopian world where women are surrounded by flawless men.
You’ve managed to turn my call for consistent standards into a grand crusade against all things feminist. Bravo! If defending the portrayal of female characters by dismissing any critique as ‘chauvinistic nonsense’ is your idea of advocacy, then I’ll happily take my place in the realm of ‘disgusting male viewers.’ Keep championing the unblemished portrayal of female leads while avoiding any real discussion about narrative fairness. The ‘Virtue Squad’ would be proud.
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Ah, the classic ‘I’ve Seen It All’ defense—how original! It’s almost poetic how you twist my critique into a grand display of chauvinism while avoiding the actual points. Accusing me of ‘dictating’ female character behavior while you champion the flawless female leads is quite the irony. I guess holding female characters to the same standards as their male counterparts is a revolutionary idea that’s too radical for your taste.
It’s adorable how you’ve turned my frustration into a moral crusade, conveniently ignoring the fact that I’ve criticized both male and female characters. Your tireless defense of female writers sounds like it’s straight out of a fan club meeting where no one is allowed to question the script. And yes, I did mention ‘Virtue Squad’—a nod to the fact that any critique of female characters is apparently forbidden in your utopia.
It’s clear that any criticism that doesn’t fit your perfect narrative is met with outrage. So here’s to your bubble of flawless female portrayals and your endless lectures on how any deviation is a crime. Thanks for making it clear that honest discussions about character flaws are only allowed if they align with your self-righteous script. Bravo!
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Ah, the ‘Feminist Inquisition’ has arrived, complete with its rigorous standards of what constitutes acceptable criticism. Clearly, my observation that the FL’s behavior was questionable is an affront to your grand vision of female perfection in dramas. How silly of me to suggest that female characters might be flawed or that we might critique them without risking eternal damnation from the ‘Virtue Squad.’
And, of course, your insightful comparison to the ‘millennia-old tradition’ of male writers—how quaint. It’s refreshing to know that any critique of female characters is automatically deemed ‘chauvinistic’ while praising the flawless femininity parade is the new gold standard. I’ll make sure to follow your ‘enlightened’ guide to feminism: only critique male characters, and do so with the same reverence as one would discuss a saintly figure.
Thank you for the tip to avoid channels that depict morally ambiguous characters—obviously, they don’t align with your idealized, unblemished portrayals. I’ll be sure to uphold this ‘pioneering’ perspective that seems to redefine feminism as an endless celebration of flawless female leads. Bravo on your mission to preserve the sanctity of female characters at all costs!
And I'm really tired of the mansplaining and 'moral' virtual signaling going on and your false equivalence and…
Oh great, another pseudo-feminist triggered by my sensible comment. Apparently, pointing out a flaw in a female character now makes me anti-woman. Should I also be labeled anti-man then? After all, I called out the ML in Destined With You for being a red flag, cheating on his GF and kissing the FL without even breaking up properly with the SFL.
It’s funny how MLs are often criticized for the tiniest things, but when FLs act poorly, it’s suddenly celebrated. For the last 4-5 years, pseudo-feminists like you have caused actual feminists from the past to roll in their graves, watching how their fight for equality has turned out. They wanted equal rights and representation, but thanks to your version of "feminism," FLs now get a free pass to have multiple guys flirting with them, touching them, all while they're still in a relationship (fake or not), and then act surprised when the ML gets upset. And of course, the ML has to comfort the FL for being upset! But if the ML so much as *talks* to another girl? Oh no, now the FL’s jealous and demanding an apology.
This year alone, how many "virgin simp" MLs have we seen pining over a 10-20-year-old crush, while FLs get to have an ex-boyfriend and more? Just take Love Next Door as an example. When the ML's ex was introduced, viewers on Twitter and YouTube were comparing him to the "perfect green flag" MLs from Lovely Runner, As Beautiful As You, and My Sweet Monster, criticizing him for not being honest with his crush, even though he took a realistic approach to move on. And who wrote these characters? Female writers, of course, who want their FLs constantly surrounded by beautiful males. Because nothing says female empowerment quite like portraying FLs this way.
Don't let these two people gaslight you. You are correct in your criticism of the FL for her actions of falsely…
Actually, I don’t get gaslighted that easily. I’ve been on MDL for over five years and seen much more toxic comments, so the comments from these young, immature users don’t really affect me. You’re right, though—these days, anything passes as romance, and we’re expected to just accept it. It seems like some people haven’t seen the impact fake rape and fake domestic violence cases have on men, which is why they remain so ignorant about it. Anyway, thanks for your support! It’s great to see some sensible female viewers out there who watch dramas with a neutral perspective.
Yes. What you said is true. But she regrets doing it. She tried hard to bring him out. Also, she doesn't know…
Oh, I get it now—you must have skipped the subtitles and were too engrossed in staring at the characters to catch any actual dialogue. That would certainly explain your unique take on what was said. Maybe a vision test is in order, or perhaps a tutorial on how to watch and listen simultaneously. On a side note, one of your comment said "Ji told her that she shouldn't do anything and Mr Yu is dealing with it,and she'll only make matters worse. Essentially to stay put.". I didn't see you explaining when did Ji say that she will only make matters worse and should essentially stay put.
https://x.com/livingtribunel/status/1834830437782352206?t=ByTNYMR_JPF50c5Y690-XA&s=19
https://x.com/dramapotatoe/status/1834078733298180331?t=eH_o0-u-o2fSSCbxkd_TKA&s=19
Now, let’s talk about the ‘reading comments’ bit. I’ve seen the complaints about Yuan Mo and how his every small fault gets magnified. Meanwhile, Ah Shu can do whatever she wants, throw a temper tantrum, and somehow it’s an act of ‘independence.’ But if the ML reacts with even an ounce of frustration or jealousy, suddenly he’s a ‘walking red flag.’ So, no, I haven’t missed those comments; I’ve just noticed how the reactions are incredibly skewed depending on the character’s gender. But I guess calling out double standards now makes me an expert in ‘gaslighting,’ right?
Oh, and that ‘disgusting female viewers’ line—seems like that really hit home. Funny how you keep bringing up ‘chauvinism’ like it’s your get-out-of-argument-free card. I get it, the word’s a convenient catch-all when you don’t want to actually engage with the substance of the debate. I called out inconsistencies and boom, now I’m a chauvinist. What a plot twist.
So, rather than labeling me with buzzwords like ‘gaslighting’ and ‘bloviating,’ maybe try addressing how these female characters can act irrationally and it’s considered ‘strong character development,’ but MLs who dare to have emotions are immediately scrutinized as being problematic. Or are we just going to keep playing the strawman game where any criticism of an FL is automatically sexist? I'll wait patiently for that actual argument I haven't seen yet.
Your insistence that there’s no double standard and that male characters are critiqued just as harshly is laughable. If comment sections are so rife with critiques of male characters, why does it seem like the female characters get a free pass? It’s almost as if the ‘disgusting female viewers’ you deride are only part of a broader trend of overlooking inconsistencies.
You claim my argument is non-existent while ignoring the fact that your responses avoid addressing the crux of my points. If you’ve really ‘addressed’ my arguments in your first post, it’s a shame it wasn’t more effective. So, let’s cut through the personal attacks and actually debate the issues if you’re capable. Until then, enjoy spinning in circles while I continue to challenge the inconsistencies you seem so keen to ignore.
Instead of tackling the substance of the critique, you’ve chosen to question my comprehension, which is a convenient way to avoid engaging with the actual discussion. If you can’t or won’t address the arguments, maybe it’s time to step back and reconsider your approach. I’m here for a debate, not a personal evaluation, so let’s stick to discussing the points if you’re up for it.
It’s adorable how you claim I’m imposing ‘faux morals’ while completely ignoring the fact that my comments were aimed at highlighting double standards in character portrayal. And yes, let’s ignore the fact that my critique was about balancing the narrative, not creating some utopian world where women are surrounded by flawless men.
You’ve managed to turn my call for consistent standards into a grand crusade against all things feminist. Bravo! If defending the portrayal of female characters by dismissing any critique as ‘chauvinistic nonsense’ is your idea of advocacy, then I’ll happily take my place in the realm of ‘disgusting male viewers.’ Keep championing the unblemished portrayal of female leads while avoiding any real discussion about narrative fairness. The ‘Virtue Squad’ would be proud.
It’s adorable how you’ve turned my frustration into a moral crusade, conveniently ignoring the fact that I’ve criticized both male and female characters. Your tireless defense of female writers sounds like it’s straight out of a fan club meeting where no one is allowed to question the script. And yes, I did mention ‘Virtue Squad’—a nod to the fact that any critique of female characters is apparently forbidden in your utopia.
It’s clear that any criticism that doesn’t fit your perfect narrative is met with outrage. So here’s to your bubble of flawless female portrayals and your endless lectures on how any deviation is a crime. Thanks for making it clear that honest discussions about character flaws are only allowed if they align with your self-righteous script. Bravo!
And, of course, your insightful comparison to the ‘millennia-old tradition’ of male writers—how quaint. It’s refreshing to know that any critique of female characters is automatically deemed ‘chauvinistic’ while praising the flawless femininity parade is the new gold standard. I’ll make sure to follow your ‘enlightened’ guide to feminism: only critique male characters, and do so with the same reverence as one would discuss a saintly figure.
Thank you for the tip to avoid channels that depict morally ambiguous characters—obviously, they don’t align with your idealized, unblemished portrayals. I’ll be sure to uphold this ‘pioneering’ perspective that seems to redefine feminism as an endless celebration of flawless female leads. Bravo on your mission to preserve the sanctity of female characters at all costs!
It’s funny how MLs are often criticized for the tiniest things, but when FLs act poorly, it’s suddenly celebrated. For the last 4-5 years, pseudo-feminists like you have caused actual feminists from the past to roll in their graves, watching how their fight for equality has turned out. They wanted equal rights and representation, but thanks to your version of "feminism," FLs now get a free pass to have multiple guys flirting with them, touching them, all while they're still in a relationship (fake or not), and then act surprised when the ML gets upset. And of course, the ML has to comfort the FL for being upset! But if the ML so much as *talks* to another girl? Oh no, now the FL’s jealous and demanding an apology.
This year alone, how many "virgin simp" MLs have we seen pining over a 10-20-year-old crush, while FLs get to have an ex-boyfriend and more? Just take Love Next Door as an example. When the ML's ex was introduced, viewers on Twitter and YouTube were comparing him to the "perfect green flag" MLs from Lovely Runner, As Beautiful As You, and My Sweet Monster, criticizing him for not being honest with his crush, even though he took a realistic approach to move on. And who wrote these characters? Female writers, of course, who want their FLs constantly surrounded by beautiful males. Because nothing says female empowerment quite like portraying FLs this way.