Ugh, I really wanted to like this show... The "reveal" was obvious since 3 episodes ago so whatever suspen they tried to create kind of fell and it just felt like dragging. It's obvious that they both got kidnapped but only DH got away. Logically, the mother/grand-ma combo killed the guy that tried to hurt their daughter and in trying to covering it could never truly disclose what happend to GY's little sister without them admitting what they did. Now in some fake suspens dramas, they love to foreshadow fake things, making you believe one thing serious and then reveal another thing entirely different that is waaaay less serious like "You though I KILLED a guy???? no!!! no, I killed a bird ! And like I said, it gets easier the second time around". It's a lazy way to trick the viewer imo. Considering how they are talking about it so casually around everyone, I assume it will go in that direction? (a bit just like that ambiance of the whole neighborhood being accomplice of something horrible in the beginning of the show, but in the end it will probably be nothing)
I find the "serious" tone of the backstory not matching the bubbly tone of the love story. It's like they tried to combine two dramas together. One scene it's like let's be cute and the next one you have that fake suspens thing going on with that stalker guy who shows up as if he was the mayor of the fck neighborhood. The way they are handling the fact that DH is being stalked by a literal psycho is so weird. The dude comes and goes whoever he wants, nobody stops him, he just pops up to create drama and they leaves like nothing, just because he's the plot reveal holder, it's annoying. Also everytime he's with Gye Hoon, GH always ends up silently crying. It's a small thing but EVERY interaction, he's hissing while tears are quietly rolling. It feels like I'm watching the same scene over and over again, same "crazy eyes" stalker guy laughing at him, same silent cry reaction, every episode, over and over again. So now we just have a loop of love, bad suspens, love bad suspens, stalker guy gets away, love, bad suspens over and over again... To each their own, but I can't understand the rating honestly. Not when there are some dramas that are waaay better out there (sorry, it's hard not to compare).
Of course the famous 2/3 of the drama break up will happen next episode lol
The link thing is getting less and less screen time. It feels like the letters in Start-up that carried the plot then never talked about again. It's the name of the show, I hope we'll at least have an explanation for it. I'm only watching because my mondays and tuesdays are boring right now, but overall I'm disapointed, I expected something else from this drama.
Mudeok (not Naksu) being able to open the Jin family temple or whatever looks like foreshadowing. They have a daughter who went missing no? Could be her.
Me being team Woong from day 1 is very happy to see him come back hehehe. Honestly, I think he broke up with her because he felt like he didn't deserve her and she didn't deserve to be with a homeless and broke man. There is no other reasonable reason for what he did. I mean, she was his number one priority, what can someone do for love ?
As for Babi, I love him so much and imo he didn't do her dirty AT ALL, but I still 100% undersyand Yumi. You can't control how you feel. It's the one thing no one has any control on. He tried to step away from whatever "feelings" he had, that was the smart move. That was him saying "okay, I feel this way, but I don't like that and won't jeopardize my relationship for it, so this is what I will do". He couldn't obviously tell her the real reason he moved away, like imagine the conversation "there is this girl, who is not here anymore but she swayed me a bit even though I shouldn't since she's not you, so I hated it and decided to move away because I love you" like... Yumi is entitled to her feelings too and it's okay for her to not be okay with how HE felt. Some people don't even see other people when in love, it's not wrong to expect the same from their SO. To be aware that there is enough room in your SO's heart to be swayed by other women... Like yeah nothing happend but it could have, since his heart doesn't seem to fully belong to her; and considering she got cheated on before, it's logical for her to not be okay with the situation.
I don't know is this has been discussed but I think Babi realised he liked Yumi when he gave her his vest which would have been bad to admit right after he gave his vest to the trainee girl.
In any case, both of them are goal, both of them want her, and though I usually hate love triangle, I'm rooting for both of them, make it make sense.
If there is a season 2 these are definetly things that would need to be explained, but if it's the only season…
Seriously, they could have gone with a cliff-hanger but chose the safety of 'ending things well in case there is no season 2 but still add some mystery that end up looking like something we will not talk about, in case of a season2' I don't like how they handled that. You can't have both a "no season 2 ending" and a "season 2 ending" at the same time.
First of all, I will not apologize for the typos, it's late, go to sleep.
I feel like the ending was made in a way that allow them to have a second season (all the plot hole of this episode really) and also in a way that they still close the show in case no season 2 (P being head of the minor family, both couple being happy together at the end blablabla). So no cliff-hanger which is a shame because to end the show so casually with all the plot holes is not a good move imo. It looks like they are discarding things that need to be explained as “not important enough to create a suspens around it but important enough that we introduce them in case of a season 2”. It looks like lazy writing like “surprise, plot twist, but that's not important, what's important is : happy ending”. It came out of nowhere.
The writing has been bad for a while but I had hope for the last episode...
I did not read the novel but regardless, Porsche being head of the minor family is so stupid. He's not remotly qualified for it. Going after Vegas for what he did with Kinn's ex but then letting him go when he barged in with guns to kill the main family (killing so many people of the staff in the making) made 0 sense. "it's fine, let him go" ?? so he can kill all the people who’ve been loyal af to you and your family with no consequences even though his a traitor x2 ? ok mafia boss I like Vegas/Pete but they haven't been an item for long enough for Pete to literally thow his LOYALTY away. At the beginning of the show they acted like being a bodyguard is a life thing and no one can get out of it for safety reasons and then Pete can just resign? "Thanks, but I'm leaving with the traitor if you don't mind" ??? Dude knows the whole security of the main family, how it's run and all and it's okay to let him go with the traitor of the family ?? ok mafia boss lool btw, pete killed a bodyguard who tried to do his job but it's chill, we call him and get news from him apparently (but i love him though).
Porchay and Kim please, this is ridiculous, they've been in the same room like what ? 5 times in total ? The way they tried so hard with this relationship, very weird. The age gap? please.
You know the funniest part of this ending? Porsche disregarding ALL the lies Korn told. Dude was like "Here's the truth. Actually that’s a lie! Here's the real truth though. Haha kidding.... Not but for real, here's the truth. Fool you once, shame on me; fool you twice, shame on you... are you dense ? No but really, here's the truth. Or is it ?? Oh and surprise, your mom's not dead hahahahahaha" what the fckkkkk ??? How stupid must you be to stick around? Get your brother away from these people!
Seriously, Korn faking his death, what was that? it lead to so many death and for what ?? he knew the minor would come for the main, what was the point ? If it was to resolve a mystery or something, like why not, but everything was predictable, not a single person doubted on what the minor would do. Was it to reveal the mom? Was it to give him a reason to kill Gun to reveal the mom? what was the reason? He faked is death and no one even questionned him for it, everyone just moved on... well.
Overall, no one can deny the quality of the filming though. It was expensive, one can tell. Which means it was pleasant to watch and every actor (except Porchay, sorry) did an absolute killing job. They were very very very good. You can tell everyone worked hard and apart from the plot, everyone delivered. One thing I have to say is, all that budget and they still couldn't make the bodyguard look badass. They seem so undertrained. Since they decided to not go with realism in the show, they could have at least have the bodyguards to be as impressive as the ones from hollywood productions haha
So are we not gonna talk about Korn faking his own death, lied to his children and Porsche, planted the lie that…
If there is a season 2 these are definetly things that would need to be explained, but if it's the only season then yeah, many plot holes and lazy writting. I mean the number of time Korn lied to them, it was lie after lie after lie but then in the end Porsche is like "Ok, I believe you, and I accept to work for the minor family even though you're a lying liar" ???
Gonna say something that's likely gonna get me shot, but it's left a really bitter taste.I didn't love Porsche's…
Agreed! He treated the whole think like a loyalty declaration from a bodyguard and not the confession of his lover. He took but didn't give back, too used to receive perfect devotion. "I shall give you my life, my lord" "Thank you my knight" is all I saw lmao.
I like the originality of this drama, I'm actually really enjoying myself watching it! It's nice considering the poor quality of the latestes released drama. I love korean period dramas when the story is good so I'm happy to see all the costumes too. The actors are really good and all main characters lovable so far. I hope the storyline won't be ruined. We obivously have questions about the soul swap and the details of it considering how it was done with the Late king, I hope the answers will be satisfying and not plot armor
"Because SK is very anti-communist, I'm less sold on the whole fck capitalism, revolution and all that the spanish…
"Actually, it's when a far-right country produces a work of far-left, is exactly when you can appreciate the tones of revolution and rebellion. Or else, it's just pandering and propaganda." There has to have so sparks of anti-system behaviour in the society itself first for this to be true though, which is not necessarily the case in SK. I'm mostly talking about the fact that for exemple everyone in the original was rooting for them, I don't see this happening in SK. Or maybe I'm not as aware as I am, but when it comes to protesting and going against the system in place, SKoreans don't seem to be doing as much as Spain for exemple which is why the whole revolutionary thing was better sold to me (also because of spain's history, like I said).
"Netflix, instead, decided to deliver THIS." It's BECAUSE it's in SK that they hold themselves on these issues, the plot was written by korean writters, which is why I said what I said. It's never going to give as well as the spanish version because there is no issue for representation of homosexuality or homoromantic relationships or feminism in spain.
Why would we watch the original one before watching this? I tried watching the first ep for the 2nd time. Managed…
Maybe it's the language ? I tend to at first have trouble watching a project in a language I'm not used to because I don't know the code of the language eough to appareciate the acting. It was the same with kdramas at first but luckily it goes away, which is nice because so many gems of movies and shows in so many different languages
Why would we watch the original one before watching this? I tried watching the first ep for the 2nd time. Managed…
"Why would we watch the original one before watching this?" Because the original was very big so I would assume if one wanted to watch the plot of money heist, they would go to the original version lol, but that's just my assumption
I don't think it's fair to put every western show in the same bag, european ways of filming are way more different than american ones for exemple which can be a huge game changer imo. As for the talking, well, it's a show lol But to each their own, if you prefer this version, good for you then, the plot remains interesting so it's good that some of you can still enjoy it through another version !
how did so many people not watch the original but gave this one a shot first ? I loved the original (first heist, second was meh) so I expected to be bored by the remake since it's the same thing. I was right. Honestly none of the actor gave life to their character the way the spanish one did. Each character has a little something that was very characteristic of them, didn't feel that in this version which is a shame because it's what made their little gang so diverse. Maybe if they changed their name I wouldn't compare them so much.... I also prefer the spanish filming, especially action scenes. I feel like this version has been rushed and so much was removed from the OG version that imo was necessary to fully understand some characters.
Because SK is very anti-communist, I'm less sold on the whole fck capitalism, revolution and all that the spanish version gave us. I'm french so I might be biased because of France, Spain and Italy's history, revolution being a strong thing over here. There is also some macho vs feminism aspect in the original that I hardly see happening in this version without it looking like a joke considering how misogynistic SK is and how feminism is treated (but it could also be a good opportunity to tackle that I suppose? + 2 characters being openly gay and that homoromantic relationship between another two pair of character would also be an interesting thing to see on this version considering how homophobic the country is I guess).
I'm not gonna say "don't watch it if you liked the original" because you might like it, who knows... but if you haven't seen the original or didn't made it past the first episode, I suggest you give it another shot. I hardly find remake to be better than the originals, though some can be. It honestly is not the case in this one IMO.
lmaoo the way we could tell this drama would be bad from episode 1 but some still came at us for pointing it out, now people are leaving the boat I came to check that I was not "missing out" just in case, guess we were right
Same lmaoo what even is that ?? You'd think in 2022 they would stop with the bad writting but nope.
Yeah I already wrote a comment after episode 2 about how they tried to portray her as this badass boss woman or whatever but she's just plain mean. Or maybe they wanted to go with mean idk. It makes it hard to believe that a man like ML could change her, especially when he's so child like. The law part of this show is bad bad lol, what even was that first episode trial ? Full trial went on and no one noticed the child was adopted ? It's the first thing you should present, why waste time ? And everything she needed fell on her lap to win it. Then she's like "I bring more money than all of you in this firm" but literally no one respects her so it makes her look like a fool. Then she's like "don't cry about your assault, man up, no justice for women like you in this country" to both victims (wtf??) then out of nowhere "look, I was assaulted too" + video proves because she didn't want to be "so not cool". LMAO
I swear there are so many things that just make no sense, her character is not well written. His look so juvenile. Idk, maybe I'm not made for noona romances, it's my first one and it's just no it for me. As for his fance changing, I assumed it was plastic surgery, if not that would be so shameful on their end because how do you even justify such a change of facial structure ? lol
The "reveal" was obvious since 3 episodes ago so whatever suspen they tried to create kind of fell and it just felt like dragging. It's obvious that they both got kidnapped but only DH got away. Logically, the mother/grand-ma combo killed the guy that tried to hurt their daughter and in trying to covering it could never truly disclose what happend to GY's little sister without them admitting what they did. Now in some fake suspens dramas, they love to foreshadow fake things, making you believe one thing serious and then reveal another thing entirely different that is waaaay less serious like "You though I KILLED a guy???? no!!! no, I killed a bird ! And like I said, it gets easier the second time around". It's a lazy way to trick the viewer imo. Considering how they are talking about it so casually around everyone, I assume it will go in that direction? (a bit just like that ambiance of the whole neighborhood being accomplice of something horrible in the beginning of the show, but in the end it will probably be nothing)
I find the "serious" tone of the backstory not matching the bubbly tone of the love story. It's like they tried to combine two dramas together. One scene it's like let's be cute and the next one you have that fake suspens thing going on with that stalker guy who shows up as if he was the mayor of the fck neighborhood. The way they are handling the fact that DH is being stalked by a literal psycho is so weird. The dude comes and goes whoever he wants, nobody stops him, he just pops up to create drama and they leaves like nothing, just because he's the plot reveal holder, it's annoying. Also everytime he's with Gye Hoon, GH always ends up silently crying. It's a small thing but EVERY interaction, he's hissing while tears are quietly rolling. It feels like I'm watching the same scene over and over again, same "crazy eyes" stalker guy laughing at him, same silent cry reaction, every episode, over and over again.
So now we just have a loop of love, bad suspens, love bad suspens, stalker guy gets away, love, bad suspens over and over again... To each their own, but I can't understand the rating honestly. Not when there are some dramas that are waaay better out there (sorry, it's hard not to compare).
Of course the famous 2/3 of the drama break up will happen next episode lol
The link thing is getting less and less screen time. It feels like the letters in Start-up that carried the plot then never talked about again. It's the name of the show, I hope we'll at least have an explanation for it. I'm only watching because my mondays and tuesdays are boring right now, but overall I'm disapointed, I expected something else from this drama.
Honestly, I think he broke up with her because he felt like he didn't deserve her and she didn't deserve to be with a homeless and broke man. There is no other reasonable reason for what he did.
I mean, she was his number one priority, what can someone do for love ?
As for Babi, I love him so much and imo he didn't do her dirty AT ALL, but I still 100% undersyand Yumi.
You can't control how you feel. It's the one thing no one has any control on. He tried to step away from whatever "feelings" he had, that was the smart move. That was him saying "okay, I feel this way, but I don't like that and won't jeopardize my relationship for it, so this is what I will do". He couldn't obviously tell her the real reason he moved away, like imagine the conversation "there is this girl, who is not here anymore but she swayed me a bit even though I shouldn't since she's not you, so I hated it and decided to move away because I love you" like...
Yumi is entitled to her feelings too and it's okay for her to not be okay with how HE felt. Some people don't even see other people when in love, it's not wrong to expect the same from their SO. To be aware that there is enough room in your SO's heart to be swayed by other women... Like yeah nothing happend but it could have, since his heart doesn't seem to fully belong to her; and considering she got cheated on before, it's logical for her to not be okay with the situation.
I don't know is this has been discussed but I think Babi realised he liked Yumi when he gave her his vest which would have been bad to admit right after he gave his vest to the trainee girl.
In any case, both of them are goal, both of them want her, and though I usually hate love triangle, I'm rooting for both of them, make it make sense.
I don't like how they handled that. You can't have both a "no season 2 ending" and a "season 2 ending" at the same time.
I feel like the ending was made in a way that allow them to have a second season (all the plot hole of this episode really) and also in a way that they still close the show in case no season 2 (P being head of the minor family, both couple being happy together at the end blablabla).
So no cliff-hanger which is a shame because to end the show so casually with all the plot holes is not a good move imo. It looks like they are discarding things that need to be explained as “not important enough to create a suspens around it but important enough that we introduce them in case of a season 2”. It looks like lazy writing like “surprise, plot twist, but that's not important, what's important is : happy ending”. It came out of nowhere.
The writing has been bad for a while but I had hope for the last episode...
I did not read the novel but regardless, Porsche being head of the minor family is so stupid. He's not remotly qualified for it.
Going after Vegas for what he did with Kinn's ex but then letting him go when he barged in with guns to kill the main family (killing so many people of the staff in the making) made 0 sense. "it's fine, let him go" ?? so he can kill all the people who’ve been loyal af to you and your family with no consequences even though his a traitor x2 ? ok mafia boss
I like Vegas/Pete but they haven't been an item for long enough for Pete to literally thow his LOYALTY away. At the beginning of the show they acted like being a bodyguard is a life thing and no one can get out of it for safety reasons and then Pete can just resign? "Thanks, but I'm leaving with the traitor if you don't mind" ??? Dude knows the whole security of the main family, how it's run and all and it's okay to let him go with the traitor of the family ?? ok mafia boss lool
btw, pete killed a bodyguard who tried to do his job but it's chill, we call him and get news from him apparently (but i love him though).
Porchay and Kim please, this is ridiculous, they've been in the same room like what ? 5 times in total ? The way they tried so hard with this relationship, very weird. The age gap? please.
You know the funniest part of this ending? Porsche disregarding ALL the lies Korn told. Dude was like "Here's the truth. Actually that’s a lie! Here's the real truth though. Haha kidding.... Not but for real, here's the truth. Fool you once, shame on me; fool you twice, shame on you... are you dense ? No but really, here's the truth. Or is it ?? Oh and surprise, your mom's not dead hahahahahaha"
what the fckkkkk ??? How stupid must you be to stick around? Get your brother away from these people!
Seriously, Korn faking his death, what was that? it lead to so many death and for what ?? he knew the minor would come for the main, what was the point ? If it was to resolve a mystery or something, like why not, but everything was predictable, not a single person doubted on what the minor would do. Was it to reveal the mom? Was it to give him a reason to kill Gun to reveal the mom? what was the reason? He faked is death and no one even questionned him for it, everyone just moved on... well.
Overall, no one can deny the quality of the filming though. It was expensive, one can tell. Which means it was pleasant to watch and every actor (except Porchay, sorry) did an absolute killing job. They were very very very good. You can tell everyone worked hard and apart from the plot, everyone delivered. One thing I have to say is, all that budget and they still couldn't make the bodyguard look badass. They seem so undertrained. Since they decided to not go with realism in the show, they could have at least have the bodyguards to be as impressive as the ones from hollywood productions haha
I love korean period dramas when the story is good so I'm happy to see all the costumes too. The actors are really good and all main characters lovable so far. I hope the storyline won't be ruined.
We obivously have questions about the soul swap and the details of it considering how it was done with the Late king, I hope the answers will be satisfying and not plot armor
There has to have so sparks of anti-system behaviour in the society itself first for this to be true though, which is not necessarily the case in SK. I'm mostly talking about the fact that for exemple everyone in the original was rooting for them, I don't see this happening in SK. Or maybe I'm not as aware as I am, but when it comes to protesting and going against the system in place, SKoreans don't seem to be doing as much as Spain for exemple which is why the whole revolutionary thing was better sold to me (also because of spain's history, like I said).
"Netflix, instead, decided to deliver THIS."
It's BECAUSE it's in SK that they hold themselves on these issues, the plot was written by korean writters, which is why I said what I said. It's never going to give as well as the spanish version because there is no issue for representation of homosexuality or homoromantic relationships or feminism in spain.
Because the original was very big so I would assume if one wanted to watch the plot of money heist, they would go to the original version lol, but that's just my assumption
I don't think it's fair to put every western show in the same bag, european ways of filming are way more different than american ones for exemple which can be a huge game changer imo. As for the talking, well, it's a show lol
But to each their own, if you prefer this version, good for you then, the plot remains interesting so it's good that some of you can still enjoy it through another version !
I loved the original (first heist, second was meh) so I expected to be bored by the remake since it's the same thing. I was right. Honestly none of the actor gave life to their character the way the spanish one did. Each character has a little something that was very characteristic of them, didn't feel that in this version which is a shame because it's what made their little gang so diverse. Maybe if they changed their name I wouldn't compare them so much....
I also prefer the spanish filming, especially action scenes. I feel like this version has been rushed and so much was removed from the OG version that imo was necessary to fully understand some characters.
Because SK is very anti-communist, I'm less sold on the whole fck capitalism, revolution and all that the spanish version gave us. I'm french so I might be biased because of France, Spain and Italy's history, revolution being a strong thing over here. There is also some macho vs feminism aspect in the original that I hardly see happening in this version without it looking like a joke considering how misogynistic SK is and how feminism is treated (but it could also be a good opportunity to tackle that I suppose? + 2 characters being openly gay and that homoromantic relationship between another two pair of character would also be an interesting thing to see on this version considering how homophobic the country is I guess).
I'm not gonna say "don't watch it if you liked the original" because you might like it, who knows... but if you haven't seen the original or didn't made it past the first episode, I suggest you give it another shot. I hardly find remake to be better than the originals, though some can be. It honestly is not the case in this one IMO.
the way we could tell this drama would be bad from episode 1 but some still came at us for pointing it out, now people are leaving the boat
I came to check that I was not "missing out" just in case, guess we were right
I swear there are so many things that just make no sense, her character is not well written. His look so juvenile. Idk, maybe I'm not made for noona romances, it's my first one and it's just no it for me.
As for his fance changing, I assumed it was plastic surgery, if not that would be so shameful on their end because how do you even justify such a change of facial structure ? lol