I never said people complaining were in the wrong- they're not. I'm not defending her either. Like I said, just explaining why she is like that.
Me working in a bad area was an example, I didn't KNOW the area was dangerous. Now after working there, I do. I also had positive experiences working at that job that I miss. And I used to shop there often... now I go to the mall instead. 😂
Would you blame a teenage rape victim for getting raped? Or a child for being abused? If you will, then I think you need to be more understanding towards people.
FLs being stupid still aren't new- even in primetime dramas it's a thing. Looking at you, Boys Over Flowers and Secret Garden...
How is it not a relevant example? You said that people who got manipulated were stupid first. So here is some info on the Jonestown massacre... cults are EXTREMELY manipulative. Like, brainwashing-level manipulative.
If this weren't a daily drama, the FL would be smart... we root for FLs to develop and not be a constant damsel like Jae-In. Shim Su-Ryeon was smart in Penthouse. TOO smart. To the point where it was realistic. No, we don't want that, at least I don't.
Personally I want daily drama FLs to be well-written and balanced characters, like, make them strong, but they can win AND lose. What do you think?
I think the FL in A Woman Who Swallowed the Sun will be different.
Exactly, she's ignorant BECAUSE she's naive and had such a sheltered life. This doesn't excuse her actions, but it explains them instead. She hasn't committed any crimes (yet.)
Sometimes people walk at night if they live in a dangerous area and/or have to get home... I used to work in retail security in a bad area, I couldn't go anywhere else but I had to go home to my place. Luckily I quit that job before things got really bad (I was being threatened, mistreated, etc.)
That's not how manipulation works... it does not tie to intelligence. Would you say that about the Jonestown massacre in Guyana? Or about people in Nazi Germany? How about countries affected by colonialism in general? The people in Jonestown who were all killed/manipulated into suicide were stupid, I guess? And so are Africans, Indians/Southeast Asians, South Americans, etc. I guess we're gonna call the dead stupid now...
Here's the thing, just because she lost stuff doesn't mean that she won't develop. The loss IS what develops her further. This is literally every daily drama's "secret" formula... Scary Woman is the earliest example of this. FLs are stupid and easily influenced, they lose everything thanks to the villain(s), someone important to the FL (sometimes they're framed and go to prison), they fake their deaths, come back powerful and start their revenge. Yeah. This is also in every soap opera ever. It's a tried-and-true formula, and guess what? It works flawlessly (Temptation of Wife, A Bird That Doesn't Sing, The Promise, Miss Monte-Cristo, Meant To Be, Left-Handed Wife, Temptation of an Angel, Vengeance of the Bride...)
I'm willing to bet that like I said, Jae-In will become a villain during her revenge (and be nasty & ruthless), and people will shut up... or they'll complain anyway. More likely, it seems like k-drama viewers are just misogynists.
Like I said, Jae-In is SUPER naive and that's what hurts her. The people around her are still evil, she was just too naive to realize that... her rose-colored glasses were slapped right off her face.
To blame her for everything is a bit exaggerated, but she should still trust her mom since she's really the only person who genuinely cares about her. It's not Jae-In's fault that her husband is trash.
As for her trusting Se-Ri, yes, that was weird. Very questionable. Se-Ri is also very, VERY manipulative. How do narcissists thrive? By manipulating people.
If you marry someone and they turn out to be abusive, is it your fault? No, it's not. Daily drama FLs are usually stupid and naive (hello, Na-Yeon for The Promise...) but then they grow. That's the point of Jae-In's arc... she grows up as a princess, tries to keep her perfect life, loses everything, then gets her revenge.
The people around her are STILL evil and Gi-Chan STILL made her suffer, period. Everyone shares the fault here.
Yup, you have never watched a single daily drama. Ever. 1. You're exaggerating the HELL out of the FL's behavior,…
And I still stick with what I said. Literally everyone is EXPLAINING THIS TO YOU. I was the only one being nice enough to explain everything.
SHE ISN'T WILLINGLY IGNORANT. In denial? YES. Because she's been with Gi-Chan and has been besties with Se-Ri for YEARS! I don't agree with the constant apologising either. Jae-In grew up as a princess. She WANTS her life to be perfect, and anything that shatters that perception? Heartbreaking. *That's the point of her arc.* Her rose-colored glasses are slapped off her face, she loses everything, and becomes a revenge goddess for payback.
Like I said, watch a few daily dramas like this to know what you're dealing with. Because you clearly don't!
K-drama fans don't understand how character development works.
Sure! I'm a long-time writer, so of course I'd know. :)
In order to develop a character, you have to understand who they are. Understand their motivations and build their personality (including strengths and flaws.) For example, a character can be courageous, but VERY short-tempered. Their short temper? Lands them in prison. BUT, they were framed for a crime they did not commit. What's their motivation? Get out of prison and clear their name.
And what is their role? They can be the antagonist, the protagonist, deuteragonist, a supporting character, etc. For now, they're the protagonist, so they're the central focus.
We have their role, motivation, and MAIN character traits. What's next? Give them a name and build out our cast. And figure out how the protagonist acts towards others, and whether they change or not.
Let's say this is a k-drama and our protagonist is the female lead. Park Yoon-Hee. Yoon-Hee is framed for killing her abusive husband, but she didn't do it. She spends 10 years in prison.
Who is the antagonist? Maybe YH's mother. She could be the killer, or protecting the killer somehow.
Now back to YH. Because of her short temper, she gets into fights a lot. One day, let's say 3 years after going to prison, she meets a group of prisoners, some who know what it's like to be put in prison unfairly. YH starts to change. She becomes more patient, and actually becomes more determined to find her ex-husband's real killer. Over time, she becomes a bit more calculating and fueled by justice to find the real killer.
7 years later, YH gets out. She's older now, more mature thanks to the strict prison life. She changed because she realized that she deserved justice. And maybe a little bit of revenge. She meets our ML, a lawyer. They don't like each other at first, but he decides to help her. And he doesn't want revenge, and YH does... and she's completely determined.
Stay tuned for part 2...
That's just 1 part of my guide. The protagonist can have a positive arc (she grows), a negative arc (she descends and becomes evil), or a flat arc (she doesn't change, but I'm not a fan of these.) The ending depends on the arc. And whoever the true antagonist is, they're powerful already. What are the secrets behind Yoon-Hee's past? Was her husband truly abusive? Does she have any children, and if so, what happened to them? Always make your viewers/readers ask questions.
I value honesty, as you know. Like I said, she's not attractive (*to me*) and her acting is okay. No problems with her as a person. Still hate her character, though.
I totally agree with comments that state the obvious - villains are always villains and will always try and will…
Yup, you have never watched a single daily drama. Ever.
1. You're exaggerating the HELL out of the FL's behavior, she's very naive. She is NOT that dumb. 2. Do you just expect her to change like flipping a switch? That's not how this works. 3. *IGNORANCE* causes harm to others, not idiocy. She is not a villain. Indirect or direct. But you want it to be that way, so I hope she DOES become a villain as she gets revenge. 4. Jae-In cannot just randomly hate her husband & best friend and automatically believe they're having an affair without seeing it. 5. I guarantee you that if you were in JI's situation you'd be blindsided too. 6. No. JI's mother DOES genuinely love her. She's shown emotion regarding her and asked her a few times. Paying attention would help a lot. 7. The doctor is more of a grey character, what he's doing isn't right (hurting someone innocent for revenge), but I wouldn't consider him a villain. 8. 99% of FLs act like this at FIRST in revenge daily dramas. This proves that this is probably your first one... at least start Temptation of Wife to understand the formula of these kinds of dailies. Sometimes the tropes are subverted and there's a villain FL, the 2nd FL is the heroine and has to get her revenge. 9. I agree that Jae-In is stupid, but that's because she's... NAIVE. It's naivety. Not stupidity.
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Me working in a bad area was an example, I didn't KNOW the area was dangerous. Now after working there, I do. I also had positive experiences working at that job that I miss. And I used to shop there often... now I go to the mall instead. 😂
Would you blame a teenage rape victim for getting raped? Or a child for being abused? If you will, then I think you need to be more understanding towards people.
FLs being stupid still aren't new- even in primetime dramas it's a thing. Looking at you, Boys Over Flowers and Secret Garden...
How is it not a relevant example? You said that people who got manipulated were stupid first. So here is some info on the Jonestown massacre... cults are EXTREMELY manipulative. Like, brainwashing-level manipulative.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/17/an-apocalyptic-cult-900-dead-remembering-the-jonestown-massacre-40-years-on
If this weren't a daily drama, the FL would be smart... we root for FLs to develop and not be a constant damsel like Jae-In. Shim Su-Ryeon was smart in Penthouse. TOO smart. To the point where it was realistic. No, we don't want that, at least I don't.
Personally I want daily drama FLs to be well-written and balanced characters, like, make them strong, but they can win AND lose. What do you think?
I think the FL in A Woman Who Swallowed the Sun will be different.
Sometimes people walk at night if they live in a dangerous area and/or have to get home... I used to work in retail security in a bad area, I couldn't go anywhere else but I had to go home to my place. Luckily I quit that job before things got really bad (I was being threatened, mistreated, etc.)
That's not how manipulation works... it does not tie to intelligence. Would you say that about the Jonestown massacre in Guyana? Or about people in Nazi Germany? How about countries affected by colonialism in general?
The people in Jonestown who were all killed/manipulated into suicide were stupid, I guess? And so are Africans, Indians/Southeast Asians, South Americans, etc. I guess we're gonna call the dead stupid now...
Here's the thing, just because she lost stuff doesn't mean that she won't develop. The loss IS what develops her further. This is literally every daily drama's "secret" formula... Scary Woman is the earliest example of this. FLs are stupid and easily influenced, they lose everything thanks to the villain(s), someone important to the FL (sometimes they're framed and go to prison), they fake their deaths, come back powerful and start their revenge. Yeah. This is also in every soap opera ever. It's a tried-and-true formula, and guess what? It works flawlessly (Temptation of Wife, A Bird That Doesn't Sing, The Promise, Miss Monte-Cristo, Meant To Be, Left-Handed Wife, Temptation of an Angel, Vengeance of the Bride...)
I'm willing to bet that like I said, Jae-In will become a villain during her revenge (and be nasty & ruthless), and people will shut up... or they'll complain anyway. More likely, it seems like k-drama viewers are just misogynists.
To blame her for everything is a bit exaggerated, but she should still trust her mom since she's really the only person who genuinely cares about her. It's not Jae-In's fault that her husband is trash.
As for her trusting Se-Ri, yes, that was weird. Very questionable. Se-Ri is also very, VERY manipulative. How do narcissists thrive? By manipulating people.
If you marry someone and they turn out to be abusive, is it your fault? No, it's not. Daily drama FLs are usually stupid and naive (hello, Na-Yeon for The Promise...) but then they grow. That's the point of Jae-In's arc... she grows up as a princess, tries to keep her perfect life, loses everything, then gets her revenge.
The people around her are STILL evil and Gi-Chan STILL made her suffer, period. Everyone shares the fault here.
SHE ISN'T WILLINGLY IGNORANT. In denial? YES. Because she's been with Gi-Chan and has been besties with Se-Ri for YEARS! I don't agree with the constant apologising either. Jae-In grew up as a princess. She WANTS her life to be perfect, and anything that shatters that perception? Heartbreaking. *That's the point of her arc.* Her rose-colored glasses are slapped off her face, she loses everything, and becomes a revenge goddess for payback.
Like I said, watch a few daily dramas like this to know what you're dealing with. Because you clearly don't!
In order to develop a character, you have to understand who they are. Understand their motivations and build their personality (including strengths and flaws.) For example, a character can be courageous, but VERY short-tempered. Their short temper? Lands them in prison. BUT, they were framed for a crime they did not commit. What's their motivation? Get out of prison and clear their name.
And what is their role? They can be the antagonist, the protagonist, deuteragonist, a supporting character, etc. For now, they're the protagonist, so they're the central focus.
We have their role, motivation, and MAIN character traits. What's next? Give them a name and build out our cast. And figure out how the protagonist acts towards others, and whether they change or not.
Let's say this is a k-drama and our protagonist is the female lead. Park Yoon-Hee. Yoon-Hee is framed for killing her abusive husband, but she didn't do it. She spends 10 years in prison.
Who is the antagonist? Maybe YH's mother. She could be the killer, or protecting the killer somehow.
Now back to YH. Because of her short temper, she gets into fights a lot. One day, let's say 3 years after going to prison, she meets a group of prisoners, some who know what it's like to be put in prison unfairly. YH starts to change. She becomes more patient, and actually becomes more determined to find her ex-husband's real killer. Over time, she becomes a bit more calculating and fueled by justice to find the real killer.
7 years later, YH gets out. She's older now, more mature thanks to the strict prison life. She changed because she realized that she deserved justice. And maybe a little bit of revenge. She meets our ML, a lawyer. They don't like each other at first, but he decides to help her. And he doesn't want revenge, and YH does... and she's completely determined.
Stay tuned for part 2...
That's just 1 part of my guide. The protagonist can have a positive arc (she grows), a negative arc (she descends and becomes evil), or a flat arc (she doesn't change, but I'm not a fan of these.) The ending depends on the arc. And whoever the true antagonist is, they're powerful already. What are the secrets behind Yoon-Hee's past? Was her husband truly abusive? Does she have any children, and if so, what happened to them? Always make your viewers/readers ask questions.
1. You're exaggerating the HELL out of the FL's behavior, she's very naive. She is NOT that dumb.
2. Do you just expect her to change like flipping a switch? That's not how this works.
3. *IGNORANCE* causes harm to others, not idiocy. She is not a villain. Indirect or direct. But you want it to be that way, so I hope she DOES become a villain as she gets revenge.
4. Jae-In cannot just randomly hate her husband & best friend and automatically believe they're having an affair without seeing it.
5. I guarantee you that if you were in JI's situation you'd be blindsided too.
6. No. JI's mother DOES genuinely love her. She's shown emotion regarding her and asked her a few times. Paying attention would help a lot.
7. The doctor is more of a grey character, what he's doing isn't right (hurting someone innocent for revenge), but I wouldn't consider him a villain.
8. 99% of FLs act like this at FIRST in revenge daily dramas. This proves that this is probably your first one... at least start Temptation of Wife to understand the formula of these kinds of dailies. Sometimes the tropes are subverted and there's a villain FL, the 2nd FL is the heroine and has to get her revenge.
9. I agree that Jae-In is stupid, but that's because she's... NAIVE. It's naivety. Not stupidity.