Already on the 9th episode and i have to say i still don’t like any of the characters
I just perused your watchlist, and I figure that if you don't like it at all by now, you're not gonna like it by the end. Your tastes are so different from what this drama is.
Recc's based on your watchlist that are historical/wuxia/xianxia
The Long Ballad (I have a feeling this is gonna be your drama right here, this is my top recc) Blossom The Prisoner of Beauty My Uncanny Destiny Rise of the Phoenixes
also possibly but not as sure it would be your kind of thing but you could try
Legend of Shen Li A Dream of Splendor The Princess Royal
reccs if you want to stay with c-dramas but venture out of costume dramas:
Amidst A Snowstorm of Love Fake It Till You Make It My Fated Boy
All of these reccs are popular c-dramas to get you started, that show you what a c-drama can really do if done well. They are all highly character-driven with characters that are really 3-d personalities that get you invested emotionally in them. They all have good scripts so the story itself won't let you down. They don't have too much (or sometimes none) of that dark, toxic red-flag vibe to the romance or to the leads.... and yet the stories are engaging and colorful and have some depth/seriousness.
SOKP is really subtle, slow-burn. The 2ML and 3ML pull at you a lot like you might want her to end up with either of them for different reasons. The palace-intrigue part of the story is very dry. Xie Wei the ML is toxic, and he never gets better as far as that goes. Bai Lu is Bai Lu. Take it or leave it.
In this story, the romance between ML and FL is the dinner, and every other character is like the tomato rosette and the sprigs of parsley arranged attractively on the side of the meal. They mean nothing in the end, they are vehicles for the main story. They'll never have their own personhoods, and I can see from your watchlist that you like character-driven stories a lot, and dramas that have a kind of ensemble feel. So this would torture you I'm thinking. Here, if you go soft on any side character, they will end badly, betray people, not succeed, not get the girl, have something bad happen to them, and their threads will be dropped as soon as they stop serving the main couple's story. The highlight of the drama is this kinda semi-toxic slow-burn romance, so if you don't like ML and FL's screentime now, this might be a hard watch for you, idk.
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You just joined the comment section of one of the best j-dramas to come out in the past 2 decades, and said 'hey guys i just came here to say j-dramas are childish and k-dramas arent' without any of the watchlist to back up that assessment. When confronted with the facts, instead of wanting to know more, or engage on an intellectually honest level, you say "I'll just ignore anything that challenges my lo-exposure opinion, and stay comfy in my ignorance."
It really begs the question, how is that not racism?
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Your first comment in this thread was:
"there’s really some difference between kdrama and jdrama … they seem more cartoonish and juvenile then the Korean series ." I am quoting YOU here.
Then when you got challenged on that, you wrote this:
" I’m not generalising "
Yet your very first comment was indeed a generalization about j-dramas vs k-dramas. And I am telling you - with reciepts - that your original generalization that "there’s really some difference between kdrama and jdrama … they seem more cartoonish and juvenile then the Korean series ." is an inaccurate generalization based on lack of exposure to k-dramas that are childish/cartoonish, and lack of exposure to j-dramas that are not childish/cartoonish.
There are boatloads of k-dramas that display childish or cartoonish characters, and there are boatloads of j-dramas that don't. But since you lack exposure to these dramas, it has caused you to form an **inaccurate** opinion. This is called "selection bias", and it leads to flawed conclusions.
It's the same as saying "Once I had chinese street food cooked in gutter oil, and once I had japanese tempura at a 4-star restaurant, and since the tempura was better than the gutter oil food, that means japanese food is better than chinese food."
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Yes, where the behavior of main characters is childish/cartoonish/ immature, for whatever reason.
For example:
Goong - all main characters have the mentality of middle school kids BoF, Meteor Garden, Jealousy Incarnate - radically immature ML's A Korean Odyssey - The ML plays a monkey god that literally wants to turn the FL into korean barbecue sauce (and that is in fact, the main plotline, not just some side-joke) My Demon - All supporting characters are cartoonishly immature ("Justin on the right and Austin on the left!") Tempted - 3 young "adults" that make a bet they can humiliate the FL Biscuit Teacher and Star Candy - where you can watch Gong Yoo pretend to be 17 years old My Secret Romance - ML turns FL into a lunch lady for his amusement My Heart Twinkle Twinkle - ML goes to war with FL over a chicken restaurant Kill Me Heal Me - ML literally thinks he's a child for a significant portion of the drama Strong Woman Do Bong Soon - ML hires FL and then gives her an office space which is literally a child's playhouse
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You ARE generalizing -- according to your experience. Which is to watch a bunch of dark/ edgy/ mature/ action-oriented k-dramas (such as Healer and Squid Game), and then compare them to this one j-drama, where the FL is *supposed* to be portrayed as someone with stunted emotional growth and the ML is someone who never got a real childhood. The fact that you don't even know what my list means is because you have seen about 2 of the things on that list (which is not copypaste), even though they are CLASSIC k-dramas.
The one I screenshotted for you is from k-drama Kill Me Heal Me, where the ML spends a fair amount of time in the drama LITERALLY acting like a 6-year old.
Basically, what I'm saying is, go watch Boys Over Flowers - which is one of the top 15 most watched k-dramas of all time - and then get back to me and say that again.
there’s really some difference between kdrama and jdrama … they seem more cartoonish and juvenile then the…
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We're thinking the same thing, I've watched it 5 times, I think I'll watch it again these days, nothing catches…
It's so messed up for me, I haven't watched any SOKP in over a year. And still no matter what I watch, it's not good enough to relieve the Xie Wei burns. I wish 'Learning to Love' had more episodes, but it finally relieves the Xie Wei burns like an ice pack, at least for me.
I was liking When Destiny Brings The Demon, but it went downhill real bad. It just wasn't good enough.
People watch SOKP for the first time, and then come back and ask for reccs for shows like it and it's like "Aaaahahahhahahaa.... you think there's some other Xie Wei ML out there in dramaland, that's funny."
Underrating is a curse of j-dramas on MDL….I normally don’t rate until finished, but this is so exceptional…
It's way way too high for such a piece of crap show. K-dramas often come out with too high of a score on MDL, and sometimes - like in the case of for instance my demon - it seems just flat out suspicious.
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Recc's based on your watchlist that are historical/wuxia/xianxia
The Long Ballad (I have a feeling this is gonna be your drama right here, this is my top recc)
Blossom
The Prisoner of Beauty
My Uncanny Destiny
Rise of the Phoenixes
also possibly but not as sure it would be your kind of thing but you could try
Legend of Shen Li
A Dream of Splendor
The Princess Royal
reccs if you want to stay with c-dramas but venture out of costume dramas:
Amidst A Snowstorm of Love
Fake It Till You Make It
My Fated Boy
All of these reccs are popular c-dramas to get you started, that show you what a c-drama can really do if done well. They are all highly character-driven with characters that are really 3-d personalities that get you invested emotionally in them. They all have good scripts so the story itself won't let you down. They don't have too much (or sometimes none) of that dark, toxic red-flag vibe to the romance or to the leads.... and yet the stories are engaging and colorful and have some depth/seriousness.
SOKP is really subtle, slow-burn. The 2ML and 3ML pull at you a lot like you might want her to end up with either of them for different reasons. The palace-intrigue part of the story is very dry. Xie Wei the ML is toxic, and he never gets better as far as that goes. Bai Lu is Bai Lu. Take it or leave it.
In this story, the romance between ML and FL is the dinner, and every other character is like the tomato rosette and the sprigs of parsley arranged attractively on the side of the meal. They mean nothing in the end, they are vehicles for the main story. They'll never have their own personhoods, and I can see from your watchlist that you like character-driven stories a lot, and dramas that have a kind of ensemble feel. So this would torture you I'm thinking. Here, if you go soft on any side character, they will end badly, betray people, not succeed, not get the girl, have something bad happen to them, and their threads will be dropped as soon as they stop serving the main couple's story. The highlight of the drama is this kinda semi-toxic slow-burn romance, so if you don't like ML and FL's screentime now, this might be a hard watch for you, idk.
I really think you'd like The Long Ballad.
sounds about right.
oh that was chatgpt, not me.
It really begs the question, how is that not racism?
"there’s really some difference between kdrama and jdrama … they seem more cartoonish and juvenile then the Korean series ." I am quoting YOU here.
Then when you got challenged on that, you wrote this:
" I’m not generalising "
Yet your very first comment was indeed a generalization about j-dramas vs k-dramas. And I am telling you - with reciepts - that your original generalization that "there’s really some difference between kdrama and jdrama … they seem more cartoonish and juvenile then the Korean series ." is an inaccurate generalization based on lack of exposure to k-dramas that are childish/cartoonish, and lack of exposure to j-dramas that are not childish/cartoonish.
There are boatloads of k-dramas that display childish or cartoonish characters, and there are boatloads of j-dramas that don't. But since you lack exposure to these dramas, it has caused you to form an **inaccurate** opinion. This is called "selection bias", and it leads to flawed conclusions.
It's the same as saying "Once I had chinese street food cooked in gutter oil, and once I had japanese tempura at a 4-star restaurant, and since the tempura was better than the gutter oil food, that means japanese food is better than chinese food."
Im quoting ur original comment. It is a generalization.
For example:
Goong - all main characters have the mentality of middle school kids
BoF, Meteor Garden, Jealousy Incarnate - radically immature ML's
A Korean Odyssey - The ML plays a monkey god that literally wants to turn the FL into korean barbecue sauce (and that is in fact, the main plotline, not just some side-joke)
My Demon - All supporting characters are cartoonishly immature ("Justin on the right and Austin on the left!")
Tempted - 3 young "adults" that make a bet they can humiliate the FL
Biscuit Teacher and Star Candy - where you can watch Gong Yoo pretend to be 17 years old
My Secret Romance - ML turns FL into a lunch lady for his amusement
My Heart Twinkle Twinkle - ML goes to war with FL over a chicken restaurant
Kill Me Heal Me - ML literally thinks he's a child for a significant portion of the drama
Strong Woman Do Bong Soon - ML hires FL and then gives her an office space which is literally a child's playhouse
The one I screenshotted for you is from k-drama Kill Me Heal Me, where the ML spends a fair amount of time in the drama LITERALLY acting like a 6-year old.
Basically, what I'm saying is, go watch Boys Over Flowers - which is one of the top 15 most watched k-dramas of all time - and then get back to me and say that again.
My Demon
The Heirs
My Secret Romance
Me Too Flower
Lie To Me
I'm Not A Robot
Biscuit Teacher and Star Candy
A Korean Odyssey
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Strong Woman Do Bong Soon
Shopping King Louie
Another Miss Oh
Jealousy Incarnate
Cinderella and the Four Knights
Tempted
Kill Me Heal Me
Bride of the Century
Fated To Love You
Flower Boy Ramen Shop
My Heart Twinkle Twinkle
What Happened In Bali
Motherf*cking GOONG mkay
Meteor Garden
Bride of Habaek
Legend of the Blue Sea
Cheese In The Trap
Need I go on.
I was liking When Destiny Brings The Demon, but it went downhill real bad. It just wasn't good enough.
People watch SOKP for the first time, and then come back and ask for reccs for shows like it and it's like "Aaaahahahhahahaa.... you think there's some other Xie Wei ML out there in dramaland, that's funny."