I used to really enjoy coming here and looking at others' opinions on things that are happening in a series. However,…
Seriously, I had mixed feelings that have been changing with each episode, but I don't understand just coming to a page to fill it with negativity. The hype didn't help, I'll admit, but it's like, what good are you doing just tearing something down like that? The show had its weak moments, but honestly, it's starting to really grow on me the more I watch it.
Right? XD It was actually the only product placement I noticed, so that was interesting.
Haha, maybe! Oh, and that snack he stole from his friend. That might have been product placement, lol. Hats off to them for making it mostly subtle, though.
I highly suggest you just stop watching after episode 8. They tacked on two more episodes with needless drama.…
That is, of course, unless you love melodrama and time-jump happy endings. I HATE that trope so much, but it's the most popular BL ending out there. I have no idea why. It takes away from the strength of the ending, and it makes it all feel so flat. Like, oh, okay, you guy are together months (usually years!) later, and you think you can just pick right back up where you left off like you haven't been leading two different lives this entire time? You didn't talk to each other for so long, but everything is just fine? TJHEs are so freaking pointless. They're just more forced drama for people who want to have their cake and eat it too.
No offense if you do like these, but seriously, can we stop? There are so many BL dramas with this gimmick already.
I highly suggest you just stop watching after episode 8. They tacked on two more episodes with needless drama. It made use of my least favorite BL trope ever, which I'll mention in a spoiler below. Up until that point, it was a nice enough show, and the couple was cute, so hey. I honestly had no idea how they were going to keep going when everything was resolved in episode 8. Turns out, it was nothing worthwhile.
From what i understand in 1 episode he is student who returned to studying after a long break? So he supposed…
He never went. He's attending for the first time at an older age. It's funny how shocked people are by this, when it's quite common in real life. We just never see it in shows or movies unless that's the whole gimmick.
I'm sorry but why does ''so'' look like a 30 year old man... he doesn't look the same age as the rest of the cast...…
Because he's supposed to be older than the rest of the cast. That was the whole premise of him starting school. He never wanted to go to university, but then Mon inspired him, so he enrolled. Plenty of people go to school later in life.
I am completely with you on the time skips. I really enjoyed the show up to that point. It definitely felt like it ruined things, but I hate time jump happy endings and temp breakups anyway. It was a shame.
Yeah, I'm not sure who switched it to 10. When I set it up, I wrote that it was 12, which may have changed. Supposedly today was the 12th and last episode. Not sure if that's accurate now, since I haven't started watching yet.
Yeah, I'm not sure who switched it to 10. When I set it up, I wrote that it was 12, which may have changed. Supposedly today was the 12th and last episode. Not sure if that's accurate now, since I haven't started watching yet.
It is not olny 10 episode... because when finished the 10 episode the saw next episode treiler...
I was the one who created this page (on my other account), and it was listed as 12 episodes when I did it. Someone changed it to 10, maybe "adrien" who has 19 edits on the page? I don't remember where I saw the original amount, but I'm not sure why they switched it to 10. According to the info I put down, today should be the last episode.
I'm really excited for this, but I've recently noticed First's history of BL pairings and how they always seem to end in him dying or being betrayed/dumped. Really hoping that isn't the case here.
My problem with Gram is that they took this character, set him up as a nice person, suggested he had feelings…
I honestly don't care that he went after Eugene when she was Black's ex. That's complicated, but if they both liked each other from the start, it would be tolerable despite being a pointless spot in the show. What I do care about is that he didn't stop when she wasn't into him and that he wasn't being a friend to her, he was trying to get something from her. Even when he spoke to her later, he was "willing to wait," but she already expressed not being interested. Then the narrative twisted it so he could get her, and that irked me even more.
I'm gonna have to assume based on your feelings regarding him being manipulative or not that you're not a girl. I may be wrong, or you may be afab and indeed know what this is like, but so many of us have had friends who were only after romance but masqueraded it as kindness. Guys like Gram prioritize women they want to get with, and they do whatever they can to get it. It may be subtle to someone who isn't used to it, but my female friends and I all had a very visceral reaction to the moment when he revealed he liked her. It changed the context of everything he did so far. But that's more of a personal response, which isn't the only thing behind my reaction.
Ultimately, my issue is that they created weird, uncomfortable, straight drama with a canon bisexual character. They erased any representation of his actual sexuality, when it would have been easy to leave it and still have him go after Eugene if they insisted on it. They toyed with something they knew the fans would want and hope for, only to dash it with a big smile, like we would change our minds in favor of something that was, and in some places still is, the norm in queer media--straight-washing things or adding "no homo" vibes to a show, which is definitely something Not Me did in many ways (but they made up for it with the ongoing, casual affection and what not, so I'll forgive them). I don't know who they were doing this for. I don't mind het stuff sprinkled into BL (even though there are TONS of het shows so I hate time being wasted on it in my comparably fewer gay series), but they did this very poorly. The show made Gram one-dimensional and dull, straight-washed him, then gave him qualities that clearly weren't MEANT to me manipulative "nice guy" stuff but managed to come across that way. If they intended for him to be a creep, that would be preferred, because my main frustration is that we're clearly supposed to see Gram as a great guy.
What it boils down to is, the writers don't see how he's coming across. They expect us to like him and support him, to like and support what's happening here. I want Eugene to be on her own or with someone better. The fact that they took a cool character and made him into this is upsetting for me, and I hate him now. If he'd started out like this, and they'd never played with viewers' expectations or hopes, I would just shrug and ignore him. Like, as nice as Gumpa is and all, he hasn't made much of an impact on me. If this were somehow a plot with him instead, and it never hinted that he liked Black just to trick viewers, and he was never presented as bisexual in the novel, and he was never canon-dating Black in the novel, and he was just some dude in the background who was nice to a chick because he has a big crush on her, then fine. I had no expectations with Gumpa going on, and if he'd been in a similar het scenario, it'd be easy to ignore it and move on. But that isn't the case, and this is a complicated issue that plays on a lot of problematic content in the history of different types of media. If Gram were a real person, I would just roll my eyes and ignore him. The issue isn't with Gram in that sense, it's what the writers did and the implications, both intentional and unintentional, that come with it. It hit a sore spot for a lot of us. I wish I could just get over it, but they waste more time with it than they needed to, and I can't stop feeling frustrated over all of this. It has nothing to do with him not getting with Black. I'm just finding more that I have no tolerance for LGBT show runners who don't seem to understand their audience at all. They always insert some big, glaring thing that seems to annoy people more than anything, and as someone in the industry herself (albeit western, but still), I just can't wrap my head around the strange arrogance that goes into making such weak decisions.
Anyway, it's early in the morning and I'm exhausted, but I'm mostly just too frustrated by having a show I love tainted by something really irritating like this. I suppose Gram's biggest crime is just being a huge disappointment, while the people who made him that way stand there and drool.
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No offense if you do like these, but seriously, can we stop? There are so many BL dramas with this gimmick already.
I'm gonna have to assume based on your feelings regarding him being manipulative or not that you're not a girl. I may be wrong, or you may be afab and indeed know what this is like, but so many of us have had friends who were only after romance but masqueraded it as kindness. Guys like Gram prioritize women they want to get with, and they do whatever they can to get it. It may be subtle to someone who isn't used to it, but my female friends and I all had a very visceral reaction to the moment when he revealed he liked her. It changed the context of everything he did so far. But that's more of a personal response, which isn't the only thing behind my reaction.
Ultimately, my issue is that they created weird, uncomfortable, straight drama with a canon bisexual character. They erased any representation of his actual sexuality, when it would have been easy to leave it and still have him go after Eugene if they insisted on it. They toyed with something they knew the fans would want and hope for, only to dash it with a big smile, like we would change our minds in favor of something that was, and in some places still is, the norm in queer media--straight-washing things or adding "no homo" vibes to a show, which is definitely something Not Me did in many ways (but they made up for it with the ongoing, casual affection and what not, so I'll forgive them). I don't know who they were doing this for. I don't mind het stuff sprinkled into BL (even though there are TONS of het shows so I hate time being wasted on it in my comparably fewer gay series), but they did this very poorly. The show made Gram one-dimensional and dull, straight-washed him, then gave him qualities that clearly weren't MEANT to me manipulative "nice guy" stuff but managed to come across that way. If they intended for him to be a creep, that would be preferred, because my main frustration is that we're clearly supposed to see Gram as a great guy.
What it boils down to is, the writers don't see how he's coming across. They expect us to like him and support him, to like and support what's happening here. I want Eugene to be on her own or with someone better. The fact that they took a cool character and made him into this is upsetting for me, and I hate him now. If he'd started out like this, and they'd never played with viewers' expectations or hopes, I would just shrug and ignore him. Like, as nice as Gumpa is and all, he hasn't made much of an impact on me. If this were somehow a plot with him instead, and it never hinted that he liked Black just to trick viewers, and he was never presented as bisexual in the novel, and he was never canon-dating Black in the novel, and he was just some dude in the background who was nice to a chick because he has a big crush on her, then fine. I had no expectations with Gumpa going on, and if he'd been in a similar het scenario, it'd be easy to ignore it and move on. But that isn't the case, and this is a complicated issue that plays on a lot of problematic content in the history of different types of media. If Gram were a real person, I would just roll my eyes and ignore him. The issue isn't with Gram in that sense, it's what the writers did and the implications, both intentional and unintentional, that come with it. It hit a sore spot for a lot of us. I wish I could just get over it, but they waste more time with it than they needed to, and I can't stop feeling frustrated over all of this. It has nothing to do with him not getting with Black. I'm just finding more that I have no tolerance for LGBT show runners who don't seem to understand their audience at all. They always insert some big, glaring thing that seems to annoy people more than anything, and as someone in the industry herself (albeit western, but still), I just can't wrap my head around the strange arrogance that goes into making such weak decisions.
Anyway, it's early in the morning and I'm exhausted, but I'm mostly just too frustrated by having a show I love tainted by something really irritating like this. I suppose Gram's biggest crime is just being a huge disappointment, while the people who made him that way stand there and drool.