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Lmao. XD To be fair, it's more nuanced than that for most of us, though. My issue with Gram isn't with what he did as a person. If Gram were real, it wouldn't be the same. My issue is with the way the writers handled him and the clear intentions of the roles. Todd is supposed to be complex, a bad person who does bad things but isn't a black and white character. Gram is clearly supposed to be a great guy, but they painted him as a self-serving "nice guy" type by making all of his motivations in the entire show around a girl who isn't into him, or wasn't until magically she is. Great message, guys. Just never give up, and that girl you upset two episodes ago will want to dance with you five minutes later! The narrative is oblivious to how Gram is coming across, and since I liked Gram at the beginning, I'm frustrated to see him straight-washed and watered down in such a boring way. They did Gram and Eugene dirty. They both had so much potential, but they were reduced to this shallow, irritating trope.

I understand that that's what they were going for, but it didn't hit the mark for me. As my best friend often says, fiction has to make more sense than reality. Lots of things that happen in real life don't translate so simply onto the screen. There's sticking to your message, and then there's heavy-handed preaching and lazy morality tales. I didn't find the portrayal satisfying, and not because I disagreed with the ultimate message. I'm all for having a character burned by their own hubris, but the execution was too clumsy for my taste.

My problem with Gram is that they took this character, set him up as a nice person, suggested he had feelings for Black, then had all of the nice things he was doing for Eugene be because he just wanted to get with her. Then, he refuses to take no for an answer when she isn't in to him, then he gets all possessive like, "Don't touch my girl!" when Black returns, and it just took what could have been a cool character and interaction and reduced him to some creepy "nice guy" who had an agenda the entire time. I also hate that Eugene, who is an awesome character, can't just exist on her own. And I don't care if Gram and Black don't get together, but don't tease the audience or suggest it if you're going to make it not only straight, but a toxic, straight love triangle. It's just tone deaf on the part of the writers.

I wish Eugene would get with a guy who doesn't play games with her, and I feel like she isn't allowed to just be this cool person on the show. She has to be a love obstacle, something for the guys to fight for. Gram's intentions took a completely different tone the moment it was revealed he had been after Eugene the entire time. It made him come across as manipulative and opportunistic, and I think most girls who know what it's like to have a concerned guy friend who really just wants to bone you know how much it hurts and how disgusting it feels to learn the truth. He even says "I can wait" to her when she isn't into him, as if there's no possibility that she just doesn't want him at all and just needs time. Then the narrative said, yep, that's exactly what it is, confirming whatever weird direction they were trying to push.

Black and Gram were supposed to be close friends, but they don't even interact with each other until the love triangle confrontation. It's just such a waste. Plus, it also feels cheap in a world of queer-baiting that they brought that into a gay show. It's so bizarre. There are so many things they did with Gram's character that just ruin everything with him. I wanted to like him, and now I hate him. I also hate the creators for making a canon-bisexual character straight and for throwing in more nonsense that we see in straight crap all the time.

If this were some random, dumb, high school romance fluff, it wouldn't have mattered. But they took something that could have been different and subversive, then took a part that didn't fall into the straight-guy bullshit thing and MADE IT the straight-guy bullshit thing. It's like if this were a het romance with a strong, independent woman in the book, then the show version made her a weak woman who sits around all day waiting to be saved. Why use refreshing content to create something overdone and frustrating?

Anyway, I'm really worked up over it and can't think as clearly as I'd like, so I may revisit the topic eventually.

MDL defaults to that when a date is set but no episode announcement has been made. It won't be one episode.

That has nothing to do with what content is in a show or whether or not someone is making false advertising. We're pointing out the '90s because gay media was heavily censored back then, so gay content usually came out through hints, etc.

Haha, all I could think during their tense little confrontation was how they're gonna be brothers-in-law someday. XD

I love Sing so much. I don't think he gets the attention he deserves. He plays such a great bad guy because he seems sweet and innocent, or at least harmless, in every role he takes on, and he has such a great emotional range when he gets to show it. He seems to be the goofy side kick more than anything, though.

Any time a random caption pops up on the screen when no one is talking, you can just assume it's a censorship move. Much like them blurring Todd's cigar, they have to put warnings up when certain forms of violence occur. I've seen it a lot with gun violence, implications of suicide, and in some not-so-cool moments like when a gay kiss was blurred on a show once. That one was pretty depressing, a reminder of how far Thailand still has to go in social growth.

They said they were hoping they wouldn't fight for Eugene, as in fighting over her. So they're saying they hope it doesn't turn into a huge rift because they both want to bone Eugene. And I hope it doesn't turn into that either, because at this rate, who freaking knows.

I mean, I know friends can do these things, but it looks like they were at a place where they were sharing a bed, and Todd knows what kind of underwear Black wears (which is something I don't know about my best friend I lived with despite both of us sitting around in our underwear in front of each other for years). There are obviously feelings between them, might be platonic, might not. But I'm with you, there was at least one drunken night. You can't convince me otherwise with the way Todd looks at both Black and White and touches them and such.

Haha, oh my god, thank you for cheering me up a bit with this comment. XD And seriously, I didn't consider it until you said it, but at this rate, I'd rather have ToddBlack. They're both crappy people in different ways, and I liked the idea of them being exes, but he really is the only person we've seen so far who seems like he could actually handle him. It would be an insane move on the show's part, but it's not like they've been making good choices with the love lives of any characters outside of SeanWhite and DanYok.

That's what I mean, though, that they're just dragging on the same old stuff, which is a sign of weak writing. When it comes to the political and social stuff, this show is god tier, but it feels like the romance and interpersonal relationships are actually pretty shaky. If the goal is to ride on a cliche, then yeah, it's fitting, but I don't think that's their intention, so it's sad to see it devolve into that. They really set this up poorly. There were so many opportunities for them to create tension without falling back onto these tired tropes, so it's pretty irritating. But whatever, I'll wait and see. Maybe they'll still pull it off in a way that doesn't annoy me as much as I thought it would.

Fair enough, but why chase him then? It looks like White is trying to distance himself, so it'd be odd for Sean to chase him down just to tell him to go away. I think what's going to happen is Sean is gonna go after him and get worked up over what's going on, but it'll force a confrontation. If the "never want to see your face again" thing is directed at White, it might be an ultimatum type deal, like if you're not gonna be honest with me then just leave now and don't come back.

Yeah, it'll be good when they finally just work it out, but there are only three episodes left, and I don't want them to waste precious minutes on a fake break up. So yeah, that's what I'm also hoping will be the case, that it's just misleading us. I know they're end game, it's just kind of annoying that they keep dragging this stuff on, you know? But hopefully the episode is satisfying.

I know, I'm so excited! Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if there's a way to see when something was posted or announced, so I was just going through leaving comments on shows without any in order to date how long we'd gone without updates. I have a list of upcoming BL that I maintain, attached to a list of stuff that hasn't updated in so long that it might be canceled, so I'm glad this one was recently announced and not from a few years ago or something. I really hope it happens, because we need more BL with interesting stories and themes.

I really hope we're not gonna have to deal with anymore Sean/White drama with the whole running away, refusing to communicate thing. The preview including that line "I don't want to see your face again" has me preemptively annoyed. After all that, that line better be a mislead. He flat out told Black he couldn't stop him from being with White, then he breaks up with him five seconds later? I'm just so over the whole identity secret thing, so now that Sean finally knows for sure, I just want them to keep moving forward, not backwards. I feel like I can't enjoy stuff from this episode not knowing why Sean would say that in the next episode. I don't buy White being his usual big baby self to be enough to make Sean just change his mind about loving him, so I wonder who he's actually talking to or what he's actually referring to. Maybe Dan? I don't know, this show has so many great things but it really annoys me in other ways.

You're in luck, I actually made a list for upcoming GL (and other non-BL lgbt stuff) that's coming out in the future: https://mydramalist.com/list/LAlapn51

Gonna have to agree on that count. Yeah, it'd be nice to see more GL stuff, but that doesn't mean there's "too much" BL. I hope both BL and GL amounts triple in the next year, haha.

They're movies, not series. There are also a handful of weird short films but they don't really offer much either. Of the feature lengths, Red Wine in the Dark Night is a very strange vampire movie without the traditional vampire lore. It's a really weird movie all around. The other movie is Bite Fight which is a really cheesy, over-the-top, and bizarre vampire film.

There's only one series I've found that claims to be about vampires, but the comments were suggesting it isn't actually BL or about vampires. I think it's called something like Discipline Z. Since I haven't seen it, and people are saying that it isn't a vampire BL, I can't count it until I have verification.

It isn't fair that we never get vampire BL, and the only three that we DO get all end in tragedy. What's up with that? I'd be more forgiving of stuff like this if there were more options. If I had a happy one, a longer one, a more in-depth one, etc. to watch afterward, it'd be different. I'm just kinda over the limitations on gay content. It's like, if it isn't a fluffy school romance or office romance, it barely exists and is usually sad.