I admit I did look at the ML's real age. Lu Feng is more sophisticated looking and YeChan is cute...smaller and more delicate yet manly not effeminate. YeChan is intense in his own way with a lot of internal complexity. I liked how Lu Feng was portraying an urban well put together businessman and then in the next scene pouting or grimacing with frustration. ( He's only suppose to be 24 not 40🤪) I'm glad this is a Taiwanese production not Chinese. The kisses are passionate and the emotions are raw.
I've enjoyed the first 5 episodes. The characters are complex which makes for some messed up interactions sometimes. I love how Lu Feng falls for YeChan at first sight and keeps pursuing him until he falls as deeply. I stopped at episode 6 because I'm trying to prepare my heart for extreme shredding.
The negative comments are disingenuous. I'm not justifying nonconsensual intimate interactions...at all. This is fiction, but come on now? Is real life always perfect? Neither of the characters have had sex but yet Lu Feng has this consuming desire and love for YeChan. YeChan is young and confused. He's trying to accept he's attracted to a man and genuinely likes him and thinks he's a great person. He's confronting his emerging feelings, social stigma about homosexuality and losing his family's devotion. That's complex in anyone's book.
Let's put a different twist on this dark romance. In reality not fiction...how many wives have submitted reluctantly to their husbands advances even when they are not in tune with their husbands desires just to keep them happy. Is it right? Is it grape? Is it perfect?
Also, Lu Feng's father abusing him frequently with a frigging bat! That extreme manipulation and abuse hasn't even been commented about. From what I've been able to deduce that kind of parental abuse is actually somewhat accepted in the Asian cultures. Frankly if somebody's going to hit me with something that looks like a bat, I'm going to put their axx on the floor! As a child the power dynamics don't support retaliation, but as a grown man allowing another man to do that seems unrealistic. Yet again and again in several of the Asian dramas this is a reoccurring theme for parents to do this to their children even as adults. Does this kind of abuse make the story unacceptable?
In reality if adult situations came tied with a nice little bow and dripped sugar, wouldn't life be less complicated? Whether in fiction or life sometimes the push and pull of right and wrong and healthy and unhealthy makes situations that have to be confronted and worked through or walked away from.
So glad the courts are pursuing and conflicting this criminal and atrocious behavior. Hats off to Wang Yibo for being proactive!
I will forever grieve that Lee Sun Kyun 's situation was handled so poorly by the police, his agency and the social media. What happened to him was tragic!!!
I'm seriously looking forward to this. I don't know what happened between Net and his former partner, but I really feel like Net did an excellent job in Bed Friends. I think he got unfairly shunted to a back burner because their relationship dissolved. I hope this new pairing has good chemistry and staying power.
crazy take. Jira wasn't even suppose to be there! Pheem just wanted to deal with his feelings on his own. You…
I'm sorry I'm not really understanding your question. Personally I feel it's important to acknowledge another's opinion as valid even if you disagree with his/her opinion. That's respect. It's wrong to physically attack someone except in self defense or in a sport which requires it or war.
I've known several abused people and have personally lived in a verbally abusive marriage for years. I have an intense repugnance for abusive people. From my experience abusers don't usually feel any real accountability for their abuse because they usually have an entitled attitude. Their erroneous attitudes does not justify the abuse.
I think Pheem's going to a rage room was a healthy way to handle his pent up frustration and anger. He didn't invite Jira to witness his behavior or participate in it. Jira staying to hear his anger expressed was either brave and determined or poor judgement.
All 3 main characters seem to have some questionable values and perspectives. I think it makes for messy relationships, but then relationships aren't all "cinderella" ones in reality anyway. They involve conflicts, compromises and hopefully honest reflections on a person's thoughts and behaviors. This is philosophical on my part. But, I'm enjoying seeing how this story plays out.
You mentioned that a woman expressing rage is socially taboo. You definitely have that right. I live in the southern part of the United States. Girls here are taught to be differential and to express opposing opinions in a soft non- confrontational manner. Most men in our area can't handle a woman who flat out bluntly expresses an opinion or offers genuine and justified opposition. It's a real double standard. Anger from a woman is viewed as invalid and overly emotional, but a man is entitled to strong opinions and can openly express his anger with impunity. It really sucks!
In episode 8 Koh becomes more 3 dimensional. He displays more vulnerability. Jira has been attracted to him from the beginning and had openly agreed he's a red flag.
Pheem has his sweet and vulnerable moments. However, he's a little confusing. His intentions seem 2 fold: 1. He wants Jira and is willing to financially support him. 2. He told his roommate that it's his turn to mess with Jira's emotions.
Jira seems to be straddling the fence with his loyalties. That attitude seems dishonest.
crazy take. Jira wasn't even suppose to be there! Pheem just wanted to deal with his feelings on his own. You…
I can understand what you're saying. Practicing self discipline and controlling rage is important. When you're angry and you scream flying into a tantrum, it increases rage and causes the person you're angry at to escalate their behaviors. But when you're in a passive role with no outlet for your anger, a good screaming session in your empty car is therapeutic. Frankly bashing a lot of objects in a "rage room" seems appealing. Destroying your own stuff or someone else's is unproductive and self defeating.
On a different note: does it really de-escalate an abusive person's stress? An abusive person doesn't need an excuse to hit someone or verbally attack someone. They don't think anything they do is wrong anyway.
Each episode seems to inch forward slowly. My perception is Jira is an emotional mess. He's sensitive and artistic. He's independent and has some boundaries, but on the other hand has indicated that he can be bought. He seems to be drawn to negative emotions. The intensity of those negative emotions provides inspiration for his art. I get a very strong impression that his art is not what he does but what he is.
Koh is emotionally disturbed and wealthy to the point of having a sense of entitlement. The past episodes have indicated that Koh worked very hard to overcome his family's financial ruin and create his wealth. He's intrigued with how Jira perceives his personality and he's attracted to Jira. I think maybe Jira is attracted to him as well but recognizes that the relationship would be an unequal one.
I really felt sorry for Pheem in episode 7. Dew did an awesome job acting in this episode. Initially I had the understanding that he was a player and he's drawn to Jira because he hasn't been able to easily have intimacy with him. I kind of got the gist and I think at the end of episode 5 that Jira wanted to have sex with Pheem but couldn't perform because he just really wasn't attracted enough to him. Pheem really displayed more emotional depth with his declaration of love and his desire to not continue with Jira because it's painful. He seems to genuinely care to the point of committing himself to financially supporting Jira. The confusing statement he made to his roommate that now he will use Jira sends mixed signals.
All three main characters seem complex and contradictory in their behaviors. I guess that's what makes this such an intriguing series. I actually see all three characters as flawed individuals with undefined intentions. All three of them seem to be in a transformative phase of their life.
To be fair, you're also painting Pheem in a good light despite his many flaws. I don't recall Jira asking Pheem…
Ing stated in an earlier episode that Jira is drawn to Red flag people. I think the complexity of all three people's personalities is what makes the story so good yet still frustrating.
I love how Lu Feng falls for YeChan at first sight and keeps pursuing him until he falls as deeply. I stopped at episode 6 because I'm trying to prepare my heart for extreme shredding.
The negative comments are disingenuous. I'm not justifying nonconsensual intimate interactions...at all. This is fiction, but come on now? Is real life always perfect? Neither of the characters have had sex but yet Lu Feng has this consuming desire and love for YeChan. YeChan is young and confused. He's trying to accept he's attracted to a man and genuinely likes him and thinks he's a great person. He's confronting his emerging feelings, social stigma about homosexuality and losing his family's devotion. That's complex in anyone's book.
Let's put a different twist on this dark romance. In reality not fiction...how many wives have submitted reluctantly to their husbands advances even when they are not in tune with their husbands desires just to keep them happy. Is it right? Is it grape? Is it perfect?
Also, Lu Feng's father abusing him frequently with a frigging bat! That extreme manipulation and abuse hasn't even been commented about. From what I've been able to deduce that kind of parental abuse is actually somewhat accepted in the Asian cultures. Frankly if somebody's going to hit me with something that looks like a bat, I'm going to put their axx on the floor! As a child the power dynamics don't support retaliation, but as a grown man allowing another man to do that seems unrealistic. Yet again and again in several of the Asian dramas this is a reoccurring theme for parents to do this to their children even as adults. Does this kind of abuse make the story unacceptable?
In reality if adult situations came tied with a nice little bow and dripped sugar, wouldn't life be less complicated? Whether in fiction or life sometimes the push and pull of right and wrong and healthy and unhealthy makes situations that have to be confronted and worked through or walked away from.
I will forever grieve that Lee Sun Kyun 's situation was handled so poorly by the police, his agency and the social media. What happened to him was tragic!!!
I've known several abused people and have personally lived in a verbally abusive marriage for years. I have an intense repugnance for abusive people. From my experience abusers don't usually feel any real accountability for their abuse because they usually have an entitled attitude. Their erroneous attitudes does not justify the abuse.
I think Pheem's going to a rage room was a healthy way to handle his pent up frustration and anger. He didn't invite Jira to witness his behavior or participate in it. Jira staying to hear his anger expressed was either brave and determined or poor judgement.
All 3 main characters seem to have some questionable values and perspectives. I think it makes for messy relationships, but then relationships aren't all "cinderella" ones in reality anyway. They involve conflicts, compromises and hopefully honest reflections on a person's thoughts and behaviors. This is philosophical on my part. But, I'm enjoying seeing how this story plays out.
You mentioned that a woman expressing rage is socially taboo. You definitely have that right. I live in the southern part of the United States. Girls here are taught to be differential and to express opposing opinions in a soft non- confrontational manner. Most men in our area can't handle a woman who flat out bluntly expresses an opinion or offers genuine and justified opposition. It's a real double standard. Anger from a woman is viewed as invalid and overly emotional, but a man is entitled to strong opinions and can openly express his anger with impunity. It really sucks!
Pheem has his sweet and vulnerable moments. However, he's a little confusing. His intentions seem 2 fold: 1. He wants Jira and is willing to financially support him. 2. He told his roommate that it's his turn to mess with Jira's emotions.
Jira seems to be straddling the fence with his loyalties. That attitude seems dishonest.
increases rage and causes the person you're angry at to escalate their behaviors. But when you're in a passive role with no outlet for your anger, a good screaming session in your empty car is therapeutic. Frankly bashing a lot of objects in a "rage room" seems appealing. Destroying your own stuff or someone else's is unproductive and self defeating.
On a different note: does it really de-escalate an abusive person's stress? An abusive person doesn't need an excuse to hit someone or verbally attack someone. They don't think anything they do is wrong anyway.
Koh is emotionally disturbed and wealthy to the point of having a sense of entitlement. The past episodes have indicated that Koh worked very hard to overcome his family's financial ruin and create his wealth. He's intrigued with how Jira perceives his personality and he's attracted to Jira. I think maybe Jira is attracted to him as well but recognizes that the relationship would be an unequal one.
I really felt sorry for Pheem in episode 7. Dew did an awesome job acting in this episode. Initially I had the understanding that he was a player and he's drawn to Jira because he hasn't been able to easily have intimacy with him. I kind of got the gist and I think at the end of episode 5 that Jira wanted to have sex with Pheem but couldn't perform because he just really wasn't attracted enough to him. Pheem really displayed more emotional depth with his declaration of love and his desire to not continue with Jira because it's painful. He seems to genuinely care to the point of committing himself to financially supporting Jira. The confusing statement he made to his roommate that now he will use Jira sends mixed signals.
All three main characters seem complex and contradictory in their behaviors. I guess that's what makes this such an intriguing series. I actually see all three characters as flawed individuals with undefined intentions. All three of them seem to be in a transformative phase of their life.