I agree, in a way, but love, life is way more complicated than that. You are over-simplifying things. I feel bad…
What you said is actually very concerning. Then we could argue that "if girls didn't drink or get drunk, they wouldn't get raped". The hell are you talking about? Nick and Boston are not even a couple (not that Nick's behaviour could be excused in case they were, of course). Boston is doing his thing, and he's been very straightforward and honest about it, from the very beginning. Why do you ask yourself what Boston wants? It is very clear. That doesn't mean it can't change in the future, maybe he will change his mind, or he won't, but up until now he has been utterly clear. If Nick is not okay with having that kind of relationship, then he freaking needs to leave. What do you expect? You expect Boston to change for him just because Nick wants to? In what kind of fairytale world you live in, exactly? Everyone is entitled to their own choices. And also, I keep saying that you guys are misjudging Nick on so many levels. We will pick up the topic again when he will keep acting stalkish and just crazy. He is not the lost and hurt puppy you all portray him as. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE STALKED OR SPIED ON, OR RECORDED IN SUCH AN INTIMATE MOMENT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. That needs to be very clear, that is illegal. I don't care how biased you all are against Boston, he DOESN'T deserve to be recorded without his consent, spied, listened to, and possibly blackmailed. Again, Nick's comment was just shitty, "it serves you right since you are a slut". Unbelievable. When it comes to Ray and Sand, other people have responded and said it all. Sand may have been slowly falling in love, but up until the end of episode 5, he was always keen on pointing out how he wouldn't want someone like Ray as his boyfriend, or that Ray is not someone special, so he doesn't need to know about his birthday. And many more examples. I love Sand, but Ray can't really read his mind. Ray kept saying they were friends, and Sand MULTIPLE TIMES said that he is okay with that, and that he "is able to differentiate between love and sex". I don't wanna come off as someone who dislikes Sand, not AT ALL, I love him. As well as Nick, I understand him in some ways, and I hope they all have a happy ending. But you guys seem to remember only what you want to remember, based on your biases towards some characters. Again, no one is always bad, nor always good.
I agree, in a way, but love, life is way more complicated than that. You are over-simplifying things. I feel bad…
I loved your comment to bits. And I wanna take the proper time to reply.
1) You got it right, 100% right. I guess my weakness is not too hard to spot, really. Ray is indeed my ultimate ride or die. I will always always always love him, I will always want to cherish him, protect him, shower him with all the love that was never given to him. I want to shield him from everything and everyone. That is why I am SO happy Sand is doing exactly that. I know, it's selfish, as you said Sand already has a lot to deal with, and Ray is definitely not an easy person to deal with. Even just as a friend, with no romantic feelings involved. Like you rightfully said, you don't blame Ray for how Sand completely and utterly fell in love with him, without any certainty, without any promises. And I would just love to see Ray completely open up to him, and let himself be truly loved. But that doesn't mean I want Sand to sacrifice his entire life for Ray. Ray needs serious help, professional help. But while receiving it, having someone he can lean on, by his side, can have a huge impact on the results, in the long run.
I know, for a fact, that in the next episodes Ray is going to become even more toxic. It is clear from the trailer (in the scene where Ray says "You walked into my life, do you think I am going to let you go now?"), but also from how broken and just utterly problematic Ray is. Do I hope they will manage to make it work? Yes, I do. Do I wish upon Sand a life of misery and toxicity? No, I most definitely do not. If at some point Sand decides to leave, and not stick around anymore, then I will understand it completely, and accept it. The line between making sacrifices for the ones we love, and taking care of ourselves first, is often times very blurry. And it needs to be like that, otherwise we would all turn into selfish, individualistic psychopaths (which is... not entirely far from reality). But when it stops being blurry, or grey, when the black totally covers the white, then it's time to leave. Again, in that case I would just wish Sand all the happiness in the world.
On a happier note, I loved their bed scene. Kinda ironic, it definitely wasn't a happy scene. But I think FOR THE FIRST TIME they were actually good at communicating. Sand was hurt (we can argue that they are not a couple, that Ray never made any promises, but still, people have feelings, and falling in love is not someone's fault. Sand was just hurt, and he has every right to feel those feelings, and cry), and Ray obviously knew it very well. I loved how he said "don't believe him entirely, if you want to know something, ask me". I think it was his way to take responsibility, to shift everything towards him. Boston's words, and the fight, don't matter, what matter is that it is not Boston who hurt you, but I did, even if not willingly. But Sand did not want to talk about it, again, very understandable, he was about to cry his eyes out. Ray tried to insist for a tiny bit, when finally he just came up with that pathetic "happy birthday". By saying that he accepted that, no matter how much he wanted to explain himself and maybe defend himself from Boston's "accusations", that was not the right time to do it. Sand did not want to. I don't know, I found the whole dynamic very mature. And it gives me a bit of hope for the future, although we all know it's going to be super messy.
2) The "in a lot of ways they are a match made in sketch heaven" just had me dying on the floor. To be honest, I agree with you on Nick. I bought his "scared and beaten up doggo face" maybe in the first episode only. I agree, I think that while everyone keeps pointing their finger at Boston and Boston only, it is Nick who is proving to be the true manipulator. Even the whole "changing style and bulking up", his face of satisfaction when Boston noticed it, and reacted exactly the way Nick had predicted, was so telling. And I am sure he's gonna come up with even crazier stuff, I am sure he's gonna do something with pictures or videos of Boston, or of them together. If that really happens, then I hope to happily see him in jail, behind bars, and not an inch close to Boston. I do have to disagree with you on something though. I do not think Nick knows exactly who he is dealing with. In some instances, it is not hard to understand someone like Boston. He is going to do whatever it takes to get some sex, he loves sex and for that, he is an easy prey. Nick very well knows that. But as you pointed out, Nick was visibly upset during the fight with Ray. And I was too. I didn't expect that from Boston, AT ALL. I expected him to cause trouble and mess things up for Ray and Sand, but I definitely didn't expect him to explode like that, to get that angry. Boston is usually very much in control, he's manipulative and he very well knows how to play with other people's minds to ultimately get what he wants. Boston usually doesn't lose his shit, even in the elevator scene where Top basically called him a scumbag, and pathetic, he just left without a word. His reaction during the fight was very odd, and Nick was very shaken. I am still trying to think what might have caused that ferocious outburst, but I still can't wrap my head around it yet. Nick might be smart, but I am sure he is not fully aware of who he is dealing with.
Finally, it's easier for people to just assign every character a good or bad label, it's confortable, it doesn't require much thinking. Seeing the world as a dichotomy is the worst thing we could do, in a world that is full of a million shades of grey, and lacks black and white completely. I love this show exactly for that, but many people will never understand this concept.
I agree and that's what I like about this series. None of the characters are black and white. But I guess it's…
I loved your comment, you managed to put into words my exact thoughts, and in a very concise way too, which is definitely not my forte! 😅 I think that the process of realising life is all about grey takes a long time, it doesn't happen over night. Many people are actually unable to really spot grey areas, but many more (especially among this fandom) are maybe still too young to take life not as much as a dichotomy. I agree with you, this show is doing an amazing job at making everyone rather grey (I am sure Sand will also show some problematic behaviour sooner or later), and it is very different from the usual BL trope of the two main leads, who are usually very distinct, and the villain, the one who tries to tear everything apart. It's always quite clear, characters are not too layered. While here there is so much to uncover, and as everything and everyone in this world, neither of them is just bad or just good. That is the beauty of it. But it just angers me that everyone is pointing their only finger at Boston, or Ray, or Top, failing to really grasp that the show is meant to portray more real people, who make mistakes, who are messy, who are scarred from the past. Who are not perfect in any way, shape or form.
100%... even Nick, such a stalkish behaviour must have a reason. And for Ton as well. Again, I feel like he was very neglected, and he is just lonely, and insecure. Hopefully the show is going to focus more on them as well, cause really I'm sorry to say this but I couldn't care less about Top and Mew 😅
100%! Everyone is a red flag! Nick too, definitely, it's just that people pity him all the time, almost as if he were just this innocent guy who is being hurt by the most horrible guy. Not at all. As you said, the only one who seems normal (up until now at least 😅) is Sand. I agree, Sand and Ray are my fav as well (aren't they everyone's fave? hahah) and I hope they will have a happy ending. But I also like Boston and Nick, I feel like no one is talking about their kiss in the last episode. It was the first time they just kissed, it was not a hungry kiss before having sex, they just kissed for the sake of kissing. They were just enjoying the kiss. It was very sweet, I loved it. And Ton actually said that he's been thinking about things and that maybe he would want to try to be exclusive. I felt the need to pass through the screen, shake him and also give him a hug. I feel like, unlike what he shows on the outside, he is very lonely and insecure. I feel like he doesn't feel like he actually deserve love, a relationship. I interpret this as the reasoning behind his awful behaviour with his friends. I don't think his behaviour is due to "hurt pride", but rather insecurity. He thinks Mew is way better than him at everything basically, apart from that one thing, which would be sex. And now, even Top chose Mew, and not him, as if Mew is better even at that. As if Top doesn't want someone like Boston anymore, who is good only in bed, but someone like Mew, a kind, hardworking person. We know nothing about Ton, about his past, about his family. To me he seems very lonely. Are his parents even home every once in a while? I would want to know more about him and his family, like we know more about Ray's and now even Sand's. I just hope that he knows that, if it's something that he wishes, a committed relationship is a possibility for him too. He is worthy of that. I agree with you, Ton and Nick have amazing chemistry, I LOVED their pool scene (apart from that line from nick about the blackmailing thing), when Boston started tickling Nick 🥹🥹 maybe there is a way for them to make it as well, I will be rooting for them. Same, couldn't care less about Top and Mew. I am not a fan of the pairing in the first place, and I just absolutely dislike Top. And to be honest, in the last episode I felt like Force's acting was very weak, almost out of character. He didn't seem very happy at all, even when they were on that "lovely" bike date. Either there is a reason and Top is actually a shitty person who doesn't care about Mew, or Force's acting went definitely out of character, at least in my opinion. Their scenes felt very off lately.
Oh god I hadn't thought about that 😅 Idk, I can't really envision Off as Top though. Gun can literally do anything…
isn't Gun everyone's favourite Thai actor? 😅 nothing compares, really. He plays in a different league. There's Gun, and then there's other talented actors, such as First and Khao, and a few more. But he is just alone up there
Out of all this mess between "friends", Sand and Nick is suffering. Both of them are genuine with their feelings…
I agree, in a way, but love, life is way more complicated than that. You are over-simplifying things. I feel bad for Sand, of course, the bed scene broke my heart. But Ray is not a "confused ass partner". First of all, they are not even partners in the first place. Second, Ray is a very complicated person, he's got a lot of issues, he has an unhealthy attachment/love for his best friend because he has been ALONE basically his entire life, he saw his mother dead on the floor, basically killing herself slowly. He is an alcoholic, an addict, he suffers from deep depression and anxiety. Haven't you seen his immediate reaction after the fight? He just gulped down a glass of spirit. Because he's an alcoholic and alcohol is his best friend/worst enemy. I love Khao's acting, he is doing an excellent job with Ray, a character which is definitely not easy to portray. When Mew saved him and they were talking about it afterwards (basically before the kiss), Ray said "thanks for saving me, without you I would have been with my mother already". While saying the latter, he almost smiled, as a way to say "in a way I still feel like that would be a good thing, and a relief", meaning he was probably still suicidal. And this is just one example. Sand knew from the beginning that Ray is no easy person to be around, that is why he tried his best not to get attached. Unfortunately (😅) he failed miserably. I am just trying to say that things are complicated and between Ray and Sand I don't see any villain, they are just two very different people who are trying to navigate life the best they can, and met and liked each other. It is not supposed to be easy with Ray, and hopefully Sand has the strength to stick around. If he doesn't, I won't blame him, at all. But Ray is definitely NOT to blame either. When it comes to Nick and Boston, I wrote a long ass essay (meaning, a comment) a few minutes ago, don't have the strength to repeat myself 😅 but to summarise my thoughts... Nick is no saint whatsoever, he is as big of a red flag as the guy he so desperately loves, if not worse. The way he reacted to Boston saying he is being blackmailed with sexual content taken without consent, sickened me. "It serves you right cause you're a slut". What? What the actual f***. And I won't say more, other than you guys are too biased and judge Boston and Nick's relationship through the lens of "how bad Boston behaved with his friends". He is indeed a shitty friend, but he is not being shitty with Nick. He has been very clear from the very beginning, and if Nick is not comfortable in this "relationship", if he wants more (and Boston has always been very clear, he doesn't wanna commit), then he should not claim that change in Boston, cause Boston is free to date or not date whoever he wants, he should just get up and freaking leave. He is the one choosing to stick around, he is choosing the same old circles of questions he already knows the answers to, then beaten dog face. And he also is stalkish, which I don't like AT ALL. Everyone seems to think that bugging Boston's car was just a little innocent thing. It's not only stalkish and just crazy, but also definitely ILLEGAL. And I'm gonna say no more.
What do you guys think if OffGun was cast as TopMew instead? Any thoughts?
Oh god I hadn't thought about that 😅 Idk, I can't really envision Off as Top though. Gun can literally do anything cause he's the most talented actor in the whole industry, and we all know that. But I never thought or believed Mew is complicated or problematic, I don't understand the theories about him, at all. Like haven't they watched the trailer? It is clear that he's gonna freak out when he finds out Top slept with Boston, it's as clear as water that he didn't know it. But yeah, I kinda feel like Gun's talent would almost get "waisted" for such a character? I don't mean it in a bad way, I just don't really know how to word it properly hahah
UNPOPULAR OPINION (maybe). I get the hate Ton is receiving, of course, there has been more than one instance where I literally felt the need to physically punch him. However, none of those instances had anything to do with Nick. I hated Ton for how he behaved with his friends, for how manipulative he was with Ray (while knowing how fragile Ray is right now, and how Mew doesn't like him back), and because he freaking slept with Mew's "boyfriend", or whatever Mew and Top were at the time. For that, for the shitty friend he was, he should be left alone, he should really understand how horrible what he did to them was. To me, friendship is the most important thing, and I really see his behaviour as almost unforgivable. HOWEVER, and this is a huge however, when it comes to Nick, I feel like people are way too biased. Ton has been VERY CLEAR (and did he even need to be in the first place? Everyone keeps saying he "has a reputation, he is famous for sleeping around") FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. People say he is manipulating Nick, but to be honest I don't agree, at all. Yeah, sometimes he kisses Nick and sweet talks to him, but people fail to understand that people are not always bad, or always good, life doesn't work like that. Has it ever crossed your mind that Boston too could be a human being sometimes and just feel empathy? To me it is so clear that whenever he kisses Nick on the cheek or hugs him, he does it because he, maybe wrongly, thinks that it would make Nick feel better? I don't think EVERYTHING he does is manipulative. I don't think he goes around manipulating people all the time, unless he's a psychopath (which would actually be a nice plot twist).I think in his mind, it is clear enough that he doesn't want to commit, he said and showed it multiple times, so he uses some sweetness when he feels like his honesty is hurting Nick, to make him feel a bit better, because he is not stupid, he is aware that Nick feels something for him, it's blatantly obvious. And Nick always brings up those questions THAT HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWERS TO, and then reacts like a beaten dog. In my opinion, Ton is just trying in his own way to make him feel a bit better, because he knows he can't give Nick more, he doesn't want to commit (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, everyone is entitled to make their own choices when it comes to their private life) so he tries to still give him something that Nick clearly enjoys. I don't think it's manipulative. Problem is, NICK keeps saying to everyone that he knows who he is dealing with, but truth is he HAS NO IDEA. He fell head over heels in love with Boston, therefore he is unable to get up and leave. But that is NOT Ton's fault. I don't understand what you all would want Ton to do to make Nick understand what kind of person he is. Nick knows Boston "has a reputation", Ton's friends always make jokes about him sleeping around, Ton himself told Nick MULTIPLE TIMES he doesn't like drama, he doesn't want to commit, he's always told him there are other people he meets regularly. What more does he need to do? It is Nick who should just get on his ass and freaking leave, if this "relationship" is not for him. Not to mention that you all seem to forget that Nick is NO SAINT either. From the very beginning, he went through a client's phone, jerked off to one of said client's pics, left his shirtless pic on the phone, he went through Ton's things, went through his phone, FREAKING BUGGED his car. That is not only stalkish behaviour, that is ILLEGAL. So please, I also feel bad for Nick at times, you can see that he is just insecure and also very much in love with Boston, I get that he really doesn't know how to handle his feelings, but please stop portraying Nick as this amazing and innocent person when he is probably as big of a RED FLAG as the guy he is so in love with, if not worse. And in this episode, I really disliked Nick's reaction upon hearing, directly from Boston, that he is being almost blackmailed by someone he slept with who took pictures or a video or whatever. That is illegal, and no one deserves it, especially when it comes to intimacy and moments that you just share with ONE person. And Nick said "it serves you right cause you are a slut?" ?! What?! Would we react the same way if it happened to a girl? Hopefully not, but Ton being a guy doesnt change a freaking thing, it's a serious matter and Nick basically told Boston that he deserves it only because he's someone who sleeps around freely. If you don't like this "relationship " you have going on, if you don't feel comfortable, once you understand that the other person is not gonna change for you (and he doesn't have to) then you freaking leave. if you don't, then that's on you and you only. I don't understand why no one is talking about that. I get that Ton is already, in everyone's eyes, the ultimate villain of the whole series, but life is always way more complicated than that. And I have the feeling that this blackmailing thing will come up again, and that Nick will do more than just bugging Ton's car. Again, he is as big of a red flag as the guy he loves. He is no saint, not even close.
I am not comparing it with the the Thai version and for some points I agree with you. But I like the second couple…
completely agree on the sound issues, but again, it's very far from great in terms of technicalities. But I mean, I don't get why people seem to judge different works in a very biased way. For YEARS we have been watching Thai BLs where you could literally hear the microphones being on the actors, it was so bad. It is an issue that is slowly being fixed, but still, no one would even mention it at the time, nor now. But people that are reviewing this one seem to have turned into experts all of a sudden hahah why do they expect so much from this show? it's just meant to be a low budget, entertaining show, nothing less, nothing more.
I don't understand why this show is getting so much hate. It's not a matter of preferencies, you can like and dislike whatever you want. BUT, comparing this one to the original as if the Thai version were this incredible masterpiece is just laughable, really. What are you all on about? These actors are WAY better than the Thai ones! In the Thai version, the only "good" one was, and still is, Zee (who is by no means an incredible actor). The same applies to production value, this one lacks in many aspects, but we are not comparing it to a top tier production, the Thai version is not even close to being a top tier production. This show is shorter, but it's quite entertaining, I find it very enjoyable. It's far from perfect in terms of technicalities, but it's insane how everyone turns out to be an expert all of a sudden, when reviewing this, while all the while most of you still watch some BLs (not old ones, but BLs that are airing now) that are as bad, if not worse. And unlike most people, I like the "first" couple more, and I also think they are way better actors (the tall guy playing Yoo Kyeom is quite bad). I think Ji Oh and Yi Won are doing a very good job, and I always like a good haters to lovers trope, so I am definitely enjoying it. My point is, don't let the negative reviews affect you, see it for yourself, whether you like it or not. It lacks quite a bit in some technical aspects, but it's quite enjoyable, and entertaining. And I can guarantee that the actors are definitely NOT as bad as people portray them to be, not even close. I speak Korean, and they are not bad actors. Rookies, definitely, but on the same level as many other Korean BL actors that people seem to like quite a lot. And remember that these people are the same that criticise these actors while at the same time they love some Thai actors that are TERRIBLE at acting, such as Pond/Phuwin, Jung/Dunk (Dunk especially) and many more.
To be honest, the first two episodes seemed okay to me. Directing and editing are not amazing (but still, especially older Thai BLs such as Why R U and many others are also horrible in that sense) but the story is not bad, it's entertaining and quite funny. And unlike many people, I did enjoy the first couple as well as the second. Why are people watching these productions expecting a masterpiece or something? It is not worse than many other BL shows that are airing lately, Thai and what not. I don't understand why people are being very harsh on the acting either. I mean, the original had some pretty terrible actors too. Zee was probably the only decent one, decent, not good. This is definitely a lighter show, which is good in my opinion, more on the funnier side. You guys have all the rights to not like it, but please do not talk about the original as this amazing masterpiece, it is FAR FAR FAR from the truth. And don't discuss technical aspects such as acting, directing and editing as if many other shows you are watching right now were these cinematic masterpieces. "These actors are not good". First, a BIG thing when judging actors is knowing the language they speak. I speak Korean, and I don't think their acting is that bad, it's decent, and they are young, and they are not acting in a Oscar-worthy movie. Most people who watch Thai BLs (and I'll include myself in this) don't speak Thai, so judging the acting is quite hard. Of course there are other important things to take into consideration, such as facial expressions, body language etc, but language is a huge factor. I have Thai friends that consider 90% of the Thai actors in gmmtv and what not horrible actors. While the entire BL community think they are amazing. Some very good Thai actors are Apo, Gun, and First for example, among the younger ones Fourth definitely stands out. Most of the others are average at best, some are plain bad.
I would give everything to erase my memory so that I could rewatch this as it were the first time. I have watched it while it was airing (waiting for every episode was torture), and then I rewatched it at least 2/3 times more. It's just magical. Can't get over the plot, the political and social issues raised, the story giving a voice to those who don't have one in today's society. And especially, can't get over OffGun. As an old fan of theirs, I expected a good performance, but they managed to exceed my expectations. I will never ever forget Gun portraying Black and White, how he managed to make them so different. Even if their clothes were the same, you could tell immediately if the one who entered the room was Black or White. The voice, the tone, the way they move, THE EYES. Gun, you will always be the most talented actor in GMMTV and one of the most talented in Thailand (not just in the BL industry). Our Papi did not fall behind. I loved him as Sean. I would even dare to say Sean is one of my favourite BL characters of all time. I do not cry easily watching series, but Off as Sean managed to make me cry on more than one occasion. Overall 100% recommended. I will probably go for the 4th rewatch 😅
This is so hard to watch jfcOn the second episode and it doesnt make any sense that theyre just accepting that…
I understand what you mean but you have to remember a few things. First, no one actually knows Black has an identical twin brother. Despite Black changing a lot, who in his right mind would think he has a hidden identical twin, as if it were the most common thing ever. White has the same tattoos, same piercings, same clothes. Who is the only one who notices right away it's not Black? Kumpha, who "raised" Black, and taught him everything. But how would you know if you haven't finished the series? 😅 Sean on the other hand hated Black, he barely tolerated him. He knew of Black's personality but didn't really know much else, of course at first he also notices that he's different, but at that time he didn't even care one bit, why would he bother to ask or investigate Black to find out why he changed so much. And I could go on and on forever. First chapters are not amazing, but the series gets so amazing, and OffGun performance is just phenomenal. We all know what Gun is capable of, but in Not Me he managed to exceed my expectations even more, his portrayal of Black and White is insane. When it got to a point in the series where both Black and White were present, it was insane to see how Gun portrayed both so differently, even if they were using very similar clothes, you could immediately tell whether the twin entering the room was Black or White, the voice, the way they move, even their EYES were just... different. I remember I would say to myself "oh that's 100% White" or "that's Black, 100%". And Off didn't disappoint one bit. I loved Sean's character to death. He might be one of my absolute favourite BL characters of all time. His acting in episode 10 (where I hated Black with all my heart and soul) broke me completely (and I don't cry easily at all...). You should give this show a chance.
Agreed. I too think they've improved and that the story is slow/dull. But, what I think I'm shm most is the fact…
they can't because... then they would actually have to study some acting and actually... act. At the moment they are not acting, they are simply trying to portray a character very similar to their real personality, in front of a camera. I understand many people like them, when it comes to chemistry (and, lets be honest, looks), and it's alright, but in my opinion, together with Pond and Puwhin, they are the most untalented "actors" gmmtv has ever signed.
Funny how you would view Joong & Dunk that way when that's exactly how I view Pond & Phuwin's chemistry. "Their…
completely agree! Pond and Phuwin are, in my opinion, very limited when it comes to acting (although I think the same for Joong and Dunk, they are also very mediocre in my opinion). They always fail to convince me in the slightest, when on screen. Don't Let Me Go was alright in terms of plot, but I couldn't help but think it would have been 100 times better if the protagonists were played by different actors. The only young gmmtv actors who are definitely very promising are Fourth and Gemini. Fourth especially, I am sure he will have a bright future ahead, he's very very talented. When people say "hopefully Dunk will improve by acting with Joong and studying". I don't think he can. When it comes to "actors improving thanks to their partner" the only example that really worked out is OffGun. But mind you, GUN IS PHENOMENAL. He will always be the best actor in gmmtv and one of the best Thai actors in general (not just BL). His portrayal of Black and White just blew me away, although I was of course already very familiar with his talent as an actor. Off was not bad, but definitely not even comparable to Gun, at first. Then, through hard work, dedication, and by acting and working with someone as talented as Gun, he became a very very good partner for Gun, when it comes to acting, I loved to death his portrayal of Sean in Not Me (even made me cry a few times). But in this case... none of the 4 actors stands out a bit more than the others, when it comes to acting. Let's be real, they are all pretty bad. So it's hard to imagine them influencing each other positively. They can definitely become a bit better at acting but still... being talented (and then working hard on developing your talent) is a whole different thing. The only talented actors GMMTV has right now are OffGun, FirstKhao, EarthMix, FourthGemini, and then I am still not 100% convinced about ForceBook... I think Book is way better atm. Maybe force will catch up a bit in the future, but to be honest I don't see him as a talent.
the more ep i watch ... i have to say that this is so so much better than the addicted in so many perspective…
I wholeheartedly agree! I love how the plot actually makes sense, and how the "side" characters are actually well written and important to the main story. I have not watched Addicted, but from the clips I have watched here and there, I didn't like many things, I know it is a famous show, but it definitely is quite problematic as well. This one however... is just perfect.
I am not a fan of Addicted Heroin, I know it exists and I've seen some clips here and there, but I was curious about this "remake". Well, I completely fell in love with it. I binge watched the 12 episodes that came out and now..... I literally can't wait for the next one! I love how cinematic it is, I love the colours, the story, the characters, the family. And our two beans 🥹 I truly don't care if we don't actually see anything "physical" between them, their love is just as clear as water. That Ye girl oh my god, I was punching the screen when she kept lying shamelessly. Hope we will get rid of her very very soon. And Su Yu is getting there, he is doubting the whole situation, cause of course, he's not dumb. Things don't add up. And I am so in love with Wu Bi, he is so fierce but also loving, caring, I just adore his character. He still won't tell the truth to his cousin, in fear of putting Su Yu in danger. I know more angst is coming but... I'm absolutely in for the ride! One of my absolute favourite series this year, up until now! BL or not, it is absolutely well made, captivating, and all the characters are well portrayed, they are not just there for the sake of the protagonists and the "love story". Yu Su's dad is just, so caring and thoughtful, and loving, I adore him.
When it comes to Ray and Sand, other people have responded and said it all. Sand may have been slowly falling in love, but up until the end of episode 5, he was always keen on pointing out how he wouldn't want someone like Ray as his boyfriend, or that Ray is not someone special, so he doesn't need to know about his birthday. And many more examples. I love Sand, but Ray can't really read his mind. Ray kept saying they were friends, and Sand MULTIPLE TIMES said that he is okay with that, and that he "is able to differentiate between love and sex". I don't wanna come off as someone who dislikes Sand, not AT ALL, I love him. As well as Nick, I understand him in some ways, and I hope they all have a happy ending. But you guys seem to remember only what you want to remember, based on your biases towards some characters. Again, no one is always bad, nor always good.
1) You got it right, 100% right. I guess my weakness is not too hard to spot, really. Ray is indeed my ultimate ride or die. I will always always always love him, I will always want to cherish him, protect him, shower him with all the love that was never given to him. I want to shield him from everything and everyone. That is why I am SO happy Sand is doing exactly that. I know, it's selfish, as you said Sand already has a lot to deal with, and Ray is definitely not an easy person to deal with. Even just as a friend, with no romantic feelings involved. Like you rightfully said, you don't blame Ray for how Sand completely and utterly fell in love with him, without any certainty, without any promises. And I would just love to see Ray completely open up to him, and let himself be truly loved. But that doesn't mean I want Sand to sacrifice his entire life for Ray. Ray needs serious help, professional help. But while receiving it, having someone he can lean on, by his side, can have a huge impact on the results, in the long run.
I know, for a fact, that in the next episodes Ray is going to become even more toxic. It is clear from the trailer (in the scene where Ray says "You walked into my life, do you think I am going to let you go now?"), but also from how broken and just utterly problematic Ray is. Do I hope they will manage to make it work? Yes, I do. Do I wish upon Sand a life of misery and toxicity? No, I most definitely do not. If at some point Sand decides to leave, and not stick around anymore, then I will understand it completely, and accept it. The line between making sacrifices for the ones we love, and taking care of ourselves first, is often times very blurry. And it needs to be like that, otherwise we would all turn into selfish, individualistic psychopaths (which is... not entirely far from reality). But when it stops being blurry, or grey, when the black totally covers the white, then it's time to leave. Again, in that case I would just wish Sand all the happiness in the world.
On a happier note, I loved their bed scene. Kinda ironic, it definitely wasn't a happy scene. But I think FOR THE FIRST TIME they were actually good at communicating. Sand was hurt (we can argue that they are not a couple, that Ray never made any promises, but still, people have feelings, and falling in love is not someone's fault. Sand was just hurt, and he has every right to feel those feelings, and cry), and Ray obviously knew it very well. I loved how he said "don't believe him entirely, if you want to know something, ask me". I think it was his way to take responsibility, to shift everything towards him. Boston's words, and the fight, don't matter, what matter is that it is not Boston who hurt you, but I did, even if not willingly. But Sand did not want to talk about it, again, very understandable, he was about to cry his eyes out. Ray tried to insist for a tiny bit, when finally he just came up with that pathetic "happy birthday". By saying that he accepted that, no matter how much he wanted to explain himself and maybe defend himself from Boston's "accusations", that was not the right time to do it. Sand did not want to. I don't know, I found the whole dynamic very mature. And it gives me a bit of hope for the future, although we all know it's going to be super messy.
2) The "in a lot of ways they are a match made in sketch heaven" just had me dying on the floor. To be honest, I agree with you on Nick. I bought his "scared and beaten up doggo face" maybe in the first episode only. I agree, I think that while everyone keeps pointing their finger at Boston and Boston only, it is Nick who is proving to be the true manipulator. Even the whole "changing style and bulking up", his face of satisfaction when Boston noticed it, and reacted exactly the way Nick had predicted, was so telling. And I am sure he's gonna come up with even crazier stuff, I am sure he's gonna do something with pictures or videos of Boston, or of them together. If that really happens, then I hope to happily see him in jail, behind bars, and not an inch close to Boston. I do have to disagree with you on something though. I do not think Nick knows exactly who he is dealing with. In some instances, it is not hard to understand someone like Boston. He is going to do whatever it takes to get some sex, he loves sex and for that, he is an easy prey. Nick very well knows that. But as you pointed out, Nick was visibly upset during the fight with Ray. And I was too. I didn't expect that from Boston, AT ALL. I expected him to cause trouble and mess things up for Ray and Sand, but I definitely didn't expect him to explode like that, to get that angry. Boston is usually very much in control, he's manipulative and he very well knows how to play with other people's minds to ultimately get what he wants. Boston usually doesn't lose his shit, even in the elevator scene where Top basically called him a scumbag, and pathetic, he just left without a word. His reaction during the fight was very odd, and Nick was very shaken. I am still trying to think what might have caused that ferocious outburst, but I still can't wrap my head around it yet. Nick might be smart, but I am sure he is not fully aware of who he is dealing with.
Finally, it's easier for people to just assign every character a good or bad label, it's confortable, it doesn't require much thinking. Seeing the world as a dichotomy is the worst thing we could do, in a world that is full of a million shades of grey, and lacks black and white completely. I love this show exactly for that, but many people will never understand this concept.
I get the hate Ton is receiving, of course, there has been more than one instance where I literally felt the need to physically punch him. However, none of those instances had anything to do with Nick. I hated Ton for how he behaved with his friends, for how manipulative he was with Ray (while knowing how fragile Ray is right now, and how Mew doesn't like him back), and because he freaking slept with Mew's "boyfriend", or whatever Mew and Top were at the time. For that, for the shitty friend he was, he should be left alone, he should really understand how horrible what he did to them was. To me, friendship is the most important thing, and I really see his behaviour as almost unforgivable. HOWEVER, and this is a huge however, when it comes to Nick, I feel like people are way too biased. Ton has been VERY CLEAR (and did he even need to be in the first place? Everyone keeps saying he "has a reputation, he is famous for sleeping around") FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. People say he is manipulating Nick, but to be honest I don't agree, at all. Yeah, sometimes he kisses Nick and sweet talks to him, but people fail to understand that people are not always bad, or always good, life doesn't work like that. Has it ever crossed your mind that Boston too could be a human being sometimes and just feel empathy? To me it is so clear that whenever he kisses Nick on the cheek or hugs him, he does it because he, maybe wrongly, thinks that it would make Nick feel better? I don't think EVERYTHING he does is manipulative. I don't think he goes around manipulating people all the time, unless he's a psychopath (which would actually be a nice plot twist).I think in his mind, it is clear enough that he doesn't want to commit, he said and showed it multiple times, so he uses some sweetness when he feels like his honesty is hurting Nick, to make him feel a bit better, because he is not stupid, he is aware that Nick feels something for him, it's blatantly obvious. And Nick always brings up those questions THAT HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWERS TO, and then reacts like a beaten dog. In my opinion, Ton is just trying in his own way to make him feel a bit better, because he knows he can't give Nick more, he doesn't want to commit (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, everyone is entitled to make their own choices when it comes to their private life) so he tries to still give him something that Nick clearly enjoys. I don't think it's manipulative. Problem is, NICK keeps saying to everyone that he knows who he is dealing with, but truth is he HAS NO IDEA. He fell head over heels in love with Boston, therefore he is unable to get up and leave. But that is NOT Ton's fault. I don't understand what you all would want Ton to do to make Nick understand what kind of person he is. Nick knows Boston "has a reputation", Ton's friends always make jokes about him sleeping around, Ton himself told Nick MULTIPLE TIMES he doesn't like drama, he doesn't want to commit, he's always told him there are other people he meets regularly. What more does he need to do? It is Nick who should just get on his ass and freaking leave, if this "relationship" is not for him. Not to mention that you all seem to forget that Nick is NO SAINT either. From the very beginning, he went through a client's phone, jerked off to one of said client's pics, left his shirtless pic on the phone, he went through Ton's things, went through his phone, FREAKING BUGGED his car. That is not only stalkish behaviour, that is ILLEGAL. So please, I also feel bad for Nick at times, you can see that he is just insecure and also very much in love with Boston, I get that he really doesn't know how to handle his feelings, but please stop portraying Nick as this amazing and innocent person when he is probably as big of a RED FLAG as the guy he is so in love with, if not worse. And in this episode, I really disliked Nick's reaction upon hearing, directly from Boston, that he is being almost blackmailed by someone he slept with who took pictures or a video or whatever. That is illegal, and no one deserves it, especially when it comes to intimacy and moments that you just share with ONE person. And Nick said "it serves you right cause you are a slut?" ?! What?! Would we react the same way if it happened to a girl? Hopefully not, but Ton being a guy doesnt change a freaking thing, it's a serious matter and Nick basically told Boston that he deserves it only because he's someone who sleeps around freely. If you don't like this "relationship " you have going on, if you don't feel comfortable, once you understand that the other person is not gonna change for you (and he doesn't have to) then you freaking leave. if you don't, then that's on you and you only. I don't understand why no one is talking about that. I get that Ton is already, in everyone's eyes, the ultimate villain of the whole series, but life is always way more complicated than that. And I have the feeling that this blackmailing thing will come up again, and that Nick will do more than just bugging Ton's car. Again, he is as big of a red flag as the guy he loves. He is no saint, not even close.
My point is, don't let the negative reviews affect you, see it for yourself, whether you like it or not. It lacks quite a bit in some technical aspects, but it's quite enjoyable, and entertaining. And I can guarantee that the actors are definitely NOT as bad as people portray them to be, not even close. I speak Korean, and they are not bad actors. Rookies, definitely, but on the same level as many other Korean BL actors that people seem to like quite a lot. And remember that these people are the same that criticise these actors while at the same time they love some Thai actors that are TERRIBLE at acting, such as Pond/Phuwin, Jung/Dunk (Dunk especially) and many more.