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any updates??? I'm so freaking tired of waiting for thisssss 😭😭😭

I know I'm very late to the game BUT I just didn't know this existed 🥲 I'm a huge fan of sports and I absolutely adore sports related series, so this is 100% my league. I've seen some negative comments here and there about the first maybe 2 episodes, but I've just finished the first one and I absolutely adored it. It feels realistic, not exaggerated in any sense, just sports and everything that surrounds that, in a normal environment, with actors that do their job nicely and quite believably. And I absolutely perceive the tension among the leads already, like Fah and Torn, chemistry is chemistring for me. Okay bye gotta get to episode 2 😍😍

100%! That is what I like the most about this show. We are so used to black and white characters (especially in BLs) that it is almost as if we have been trained to put every character into a box, the "good person" box and the "villain" box. Nick is the crazy and pathetic stalker, Ton is the awful person who doesn't care about anyone. Life doesn't work like that. It is all much more complicated than that. Cause a pathetic and fearful person wouldn't do what Nick did, and someone who doesn't care about anyone and has no feelings wouldn't react the way Ton did. And it is so telling how we have seen them talking in the next episode. Not sleeping together, just talking. Ton opened up about his fears, about something that I bet he never opened up with anyone in his life. And I can't wait to witness how they really start building something, a relationship or just a friendship, it's their call. But just something that makes them both feel loved.

the best analysis of them I have ever read! thank you! They had me shook. And I wasn't expecting it, given my endless critiques to Nick throughout the series. I have never been able to cheer for him as everyone else was doing, cause his behaviour, to me, has honestly always been so problematic. I found him not only a stalker, but also a very pathetic one for all that matters. So, as you can imagine, I really didn't expect to find myself crying because of him. Because of his honesty, his vulnerability, his immense courage. We always saw the "obsessive Nick", those "I love yous" never felt real, I always felt as if he was just an obsessive and insecure boy, who preferred to see the other one destroyed rather than accept the other person doesn't want him, or wants something else in life. In that bathroom, for the first time, we have been shown how Nick's love is more than real, painful honest and consuming. He loves him so much that he has got to a place where he is ready to let him go wishing him nothing but the best. That is true love. I was completely taken aback, there's no better way to put it. And Ton's eyes spoke volumes, no need for any words. He so desperately needed to hear those words, even though he didn't even know he needed it in the first place. His gaze kept wandering, his eyes got watery, he couldn't look at Nick straight in the eyes. Despite everything, I love Ton. I love how someone saw him for who he is, how someone really believes in him and loves him unconditionally. Cause Ton ultimately needs love. And I am not talking about romantic love necessarily, just love. True love. He needs friends who see him not only as the partygoer who sleeps around, a father who doesn't scare him away from forming true and meaningful bonds.
I literally can't wait to see them in the next one. I would have loved for them to have more screen time. Despite not having much, Neo and Mark, especially in that scene, just blew me away. What a remarkable piece of acting. Kudos, boys.

The problem with this one is one, and one only. The build up. The expectations. The anticipation. The trailer was really well done, at this point I'd say they put more thoughts into the trailer than the series as a whole 😅
If this had been presented, from the beginning, as another of the hundreds school BLs that are just made up of tropes, sniffing kisses and plot holes, people would have enjoyed it way more, in my opinion. But the anticipation they built up has nothing to do with the actual show. First of all, where is the "dangerous" part? Kang being a bully? I actually enjoyed the first two episodes, but now Kang has become a lovely dovey puppy, same as his two friends. Maybe the "dangerous" is coming back in the upcoming episodes, but judging from what we have seen up until now, it's definitely not gonna be the kind of "dangerous" I was anticipating. The writing is weird, the pace is also weird. What was that whole love triangle thingy? What was the purpose of it? I mean, the purpose was clear (tropes everywhere), but the execution was shabby. They made Kang look like a psychopath who one day is in love with his girl friend, and the next he is (probably) bisexual and in love with Sailom. Before the whole triangle situation, we were actually shown how Kang was slowly falling for Sailom, the pace was not bad! On the contrary, in my opinion it was rather believable. But then they had to ruin it all by suddenly make him in love with Pimpfah for like half an episode. Just stupid.
Last but not least, the elephant in the room. Chemistry. This one is really subjective of course, but I am definitely one of those people that do not feel any chemistry whatsoever between Perth and Chimon. And it's sad, cause I love Perth as an actor, I was looking forward to seeing him as ML again. Well, now I miss him with Saint, a lot. C'mon, the way Pete expressed his attraction towards Ae in LBC has nothing to do with Chimon. Absolutely zero chemistry.

Guys I am about to start this show, but where do you all watch it? Is there an uncut version by any chance? HELPPP 😂

I have actually never watched a Thai historical drama, so I am definitely intrigued! thanks, I will give it a go ☺️

I will give it a go then! Thanks a lot ☺️

It definitely is grounded on personal preferences, I for instance can't really watch any JBLs, they are uncomfortable to watch, they give such a "weird" and oftentimes very unsettling vibe, I can't even describe it properly. Maybe the only one I enjoyed was the one about the borrowed eraser (something about love being mixed-up or something? Don't really remember the title). It was cute and just a decent watch (although I am usually not a fan of school dramas). And in general, I have never been a huge fan of Japan in terms of media products and culture in general. I prefer Korean BLs way more, they are still not much developped in terms of technicalities and plots, but the vibe is totally different. They still have those Kdrama vibes, the shots, the colours, Kbls are just queer dramas. Further proof of our very different preferences is the fact that, among the Thai ones, you liked Be My Favourite, cause I really didn't. I am convinced Kirst should not play any queer character first of all, and second his character in BMF was the most unbearable little brat ever created. I usually enjoy flawed characters, but he was just insufferable. Whiny, stupid, extremely rude for no reason, entitled, you name it he had it when it comes to negative traits. I also felt like the leads had zero chemistry, I like Gawin but the pairing with First was on a whole different level (well, First is First). I hope Gawin can find soon a different partner.

Hey guys? Should I start this? Would you recommend it? If yes, why? I kinda want to, but at the same time I'm not 100% sure, don't really know why...

You do you. I was just trying to better understand how the character was written because, again, to me it doesn't make much sense. And by the way, everyone has a back story in life. That doesn't mean it can excuse our behaviour, but it can help to understand a person's actions. Ray's back story doesn't excuse his shitty behaviour, but it makes the character have more sense in how he behaves.

exactly, I think I sympathised with him in the very first episode, that's it. After that, it was an utterly pathetic downfall. He is a psycho, a stalker, he would rather see the person he claims to love so much destroyed rather than accept that that person doesn't want him or just wants to live his life. he is so sick. He cried and cried saying he loves him, and can't stand Ton hating him, and 5 minutes later what does he do? Gives dangerous and very delicate information to Mew regarding the NON CONSESUAL sex tape, without even knowing what Mew could potentially end up doing with it. He is just the most awful character there is.

It really sounded like that, but anyway. Of course he is still an a-hole, as everyone in this show. Ray is, Mew is, Top definitely is, Nick MOST DEFINITELY is (omg he is the worst of the worst for me), Ton definitely is. Sand is the only sane one, more or less. Up until now at least. I am just gradually hating them all, with a particular animosity towards Nick, whose horrible (and utterly pathetic) behaviour is not talked about enough. At least Boston doesn't cry crocodile tears.

Sorry but sociopathic/psychopathic are not synonyms of "wicked" and "evil". Psychopathy as well as sociopathy are medical conditions, part of the neurodivergent spectrum. Most of the times, the condition manifests as a result of severe trauma and disastrous upbringing, usually as a coping mechanism for those who were traumatised and thus refuse to feel any more emotions. Of course it manifests in many different ways for different people, but "neurodivergent" actually means that their brain works and functions differently. So I guess you can cut a little slack for that, not exactly "making excuses for adults who cannot pick up their own trash" 😅 neurodivergent people can lead a normal life, be active, and "use" manipulation and other assets only in a work environment for example, in sales especially. But that requires getting an official diagnosis through which they can start a very long journey of self-discovery and acceptance, with the help of a professional. Imagine living your life without being able to feel strong emotions, or any emotions at all, having to fake your entire life, having to learn what is right and what is wrong only by understanding how society works, having to constantly battle your urges and keep learning more about how your brain works and how the world works, taking morality as your only guide in life. Not easy at all. And not everyone is lucky to have someone to help them out in the journey to become good and productive members of society.
But apart from that, my comment was just trying to better understand the character in terms of writing, because to me his behaviour doesn't add up at all, not even if you label him as just "wicked" or "evil". That is why I thought he could actually be an undiagnosed psychopath, because at least his behaviour would simply make a lot more sense. This doesn't mean it can excuse his behaviour, I didn't even think it needed to be clarified in the first place.

GUYS, THEORY.
I have been thinking about Boston a lot (I am not team Boston, I was team Ray but at this point I am starting to hate him as well so I would say I am team no one), just because I find his character so intriguing and either 1) very well written and thought out or 2) very badly written, and just portrayed as the random villain whose actions don't really make any sense. His behaviour, to me, doesn't add up. There is something missing there. It is hard to understand him, compared to the others. Sand fucked up, but we know his reasoning behind it, I find Nick insufferable and he also fucked up big time on multiple occasions, but again, we can understand the "reasoning" behind it, he is an obsessive, stalkish little brat. Ray has also fucked up so many times, but again we can easily put the pieces together and understand where he comes from. Mew, same thing, Top, same thing. They all did bad things and despite not condoning any of them, we can at least understand where they come from. But when it comes to Boston, nothing adds up. At first I thought he was, in a weird way, obsessed and almost "in love" with Top (as the reasoning why he did what he did to Mew), but I don't think he is. Then I thought he is just a very insecure child, who feels inferior to Mew and can't stand the fact that Top chose Mew even in that one thing Boston thinks he is better at (which would be sex). I still think it can be partially true, and it can explain part of his behaviour, but definitely not entirely. When he is shown as someone who really doesn't care about what he did to Mew, and many other things, I am utterly confused. At first I thought that since sex means so little to him, he doesn't really get the enormity of his betrayal, since sex means way more to Mew. But yet again, it is weird. Up until now, with the information we have and the little to none backstory we were given for his character, the only thing that kinda makes sense in my head is that he is a sociopath/psychopath.
Because think about it, he goes around manipulating people, not always with the greatest schemes in mind, even just to get the pettiest advantage for himself. He does not manipulate people all the time, but you can definitely see how he is able to read the room and analyse people very well, and decide whether manipulating someone a bit could get him an advantage. He seems unable to understand emotions, how can a neurotypical human being have such a complete lack of basic understanding of what he did to Mew? Yes, we could argue that he is simply an horrible person, but again, I don't think things add up. He literally seems unaware, as psychopaths are. He learnt how people feel emotions, what kind of emotions, when they feel them, he learnt to fake them. But psychopaths, sooner or later, will always have to take off their mask, because they will never be able to really understand the spectrum and capacity of emotions that a neurotypical person feels. To me, he literally looks like he understands that, by societal norms, what he did to Mew was wrong, but he does not fully grasp why Mew is (rightfully so, don't get me wrong) so mad and upset about it. Can someone neurotypical really say, in that kind of situation, "I just borrowed him for a while and then returned him, what's the big deal?". Like, not even the shittiest person on the planet.He is very calm and collected usually, he is amazing at saying the right things using the right words when he needs to manipulate a situation to his advantage (for example, when he perfectly read the room during the pool party and used exactly the right words to make Ray go after Mew), but then he can also easily get super angry and furious, and right there, in those moments, the mask comes off and he is not the calm and collected person he usually is anymore, he just spits out whatever comes to his mind to attack people before they attack him. He also has, often, a grandious and inflated sense of self, again very typical of a neurodivergent person (similar to Narcissistic Personality Disorder). They have, most of the time, an inflated sense of self. Of course every neurodivergent person is different and shows different traits, some of them for example would find it exciting to prey over someone they deem "weaker", others are the exact opposite, and would never use their "skills" against someone they deem as weaker. I am not an expert but I would love to hear what you all have to say about this. Am I the only person who thinks this might be a possibility? Because if he is not, then his behaviour, up until now, does not add up. So he is either badly written as a character or there are things that we still have to see.

I am not team Boston, I am team no one. Everyone is proving to be shitty in some way or another. That is what bothers me, people fail to understand that this show is purposely presenting characters that are grey, not always bad not always good. They are all so used to polarised characters and shows, where good people and villains are very well separated, that they can't fathom the idea of having to criticise or have some critical thinking abilities when it comes to every character's behaviours. It is easier to label Boston as the ultimate villain without analysis every situation separately.

We can maybe not agree on Boston and Nick (which is only the very first part of my comment) but majority of my comment was about Nick, who is undeniably and objectively a shitty person. I would have appreciated to hear from you on that, but it seems like he is your fave so you really can't take any objective criticism on him. Again, objective and undeniable.
I don't understand how someone like Boston, who doesn't want a relationship and finds it annoying when people have romantic feelings for him would want to manipulate Nick into staying with him. It makes zero sense. As if he had any issues finding other people to have sex with, it's not like no one liked him and he needed nick to stay there to satisfy his sexual needs.
It was obvious Nick had feelings for him, but Boston was still alright with it, so he didn't push him away. What has he ever said to make Nick think he would want more from him? Are we even watching the same show? 😂 He told him he sees other people, multiple times and even in a very chill manner, told him he is probably going to move to the other side of the globe, told him he finds it annoying when people want more than sex from him, he has told him so many things that any normal person would understand as "this person doesn't want a relationship and will probably never change for me". Nick decided to stay. Again, it is objective as hell 😂

I can understand some of your points, but when it comes to some things I have a totally different view.
1) I am in no way, shape or form denying how shitty of a friend Boston is proving to be. However, I think people are actually unable to judge matters separately, since people think he is a "manipulative prick" then he must be like that always, with everyone. He isn't. I most definitely don't agree with you on the "he was leading Nick on", absolutely not. He was very very clear from the very beginning (he didn't even have to, given the reputation everyone was mentioning he had), he always said he liked spending time with Nick (as friends who maybe don't just fuck but do other things as well), and that Nick was his "number one, his favourite" (again, a way to clarify once more that there are OTHER people he is seeing). He always replied honestly whenever Nick asked those useless questions he already knew the answers to (but definitely wanted a different answer, one that could suit the narrative in his head), he said multiple times he doesn't want to commit, he said multiple times he is seeing other people as well, he said multiple times he doesn't want a relationship. That is the problem really, people don't seem to really accept that, even though they strive to come off as accepting as "progressists". Even when Boston told him "I know you like me", he didn't say that in a possessive or manipulative manner, but exactly like I did, Boston noticed that Nick would keep saying, IN WORDS, how Boston was definitely not that important for him, but then keep behaving like a beaten dog whenever he asked questions he didn't like the answers to, or saw Boston with someone. So Boston was like "hey, stop saying every time you really don't feel anything for me, it's clear that you like me, I know it" and again proceeds to explain his view on the matter, in a direct and honest manner. He clearly said that he doesn't want to surround himself with people who developed romantic feelings for him, that it was annoying for him. He said that usually, to avoid any issues, he would distance them, but since this time he really likes spending time with Nick (NOT NICK, JUST SPENDING TIME WITH HIM AS FRIENDS) he won't push him away first. But it is very clear that the door for Nick to get out of there is again very much open. He said he won't push him away first, that doesn't mean Nick can't just stop this thing for good. Nick always knew what kind of relationship that was, and it is him who should have left as soon as he realised it was not for him. He didn't, that's completely on him. Again, I am not gonna repeat all the crazy shit he did to Boston, because as you said, if having a friend sleeping with someone you are seeing (not even your boyfriend) is definitely not pleasant, I would say having a freaking psycho recording you having sex without consent, and having him giving that information to Mew, not knowing how Mew is potentially going to use it, is INSANE, ILLEGAL AND JUST UNFORGIVABLE. Nick loves him SO much but then he is so ready to help Mew in his alleged "revenge plan" giving out information that could ruin Boston's relationship with the only person he appears to have in his family, destroy his father reputation and jeopardize his job, and most of all it could OUT HIM with the world in one of the most intimate moments you could ever be filmed in. Sorry but if you don't understand the difference then I don't know what to say, really. It's blatant. Nick is just a nasty loser who gets obsessed over people and gets MAD at them for not giving him what they want. He needed to feel grateful for the fact that Boston didn't call the police on him, but no, he loves him so much but at the same time he literally wants to destroy him. What an amazing human being. And people are all bitching about Boston, without realising that Nick is as bad, worse in my opinion, way worse.

2) I don't think recording two of your best friends kissing for 10 seconds in front of a bonfire is the same as recording without consent two strangers having full-blown sex (cause Top is a stranger to him and Ton also almost, at that point). Again, if you don't see the difference then it's on you really. Of course Boston has shown it to Top but again, it's too people freaking kiss, a vestal virgin kiss. Nick not only told Sand, he also felt the need to play the audio out loud for him. Creepy as fuck. And also, apart from the audio tape he sneakily recorded in his car, which I already hated him for, as I previously mentioned he is now using a full-blown VIDEO TAPE of Boston recorded by Gap without his consent. It's insane, I don't understand how people can't see how shitty of a human being Nick is. We are talking about serious stuff, not freaking sleeping with a dumb head that Mew was not even sure he liked at that point. We are talking about people's most intimate moments, recorded without consent, we are talking about things that could ruin someone's life for good, lead them to extreme acts or could lead them to being kicked out of their home, or being bullied, recognised on the streets, ridiculed. The list goes on and on. And I find disgusting how Nick didn't even hesitate one bit to give Mew the power to toy with something like that, not knowing Mew's character very well, and especially giving someone who is very mad at Boston, at the moment, an information that he could use to hurt him bad. Again, way worse than Boston has ever done. Most people don't understand how dangerous people like Nick are in real life, how obsessive they get, how they say they love you but they are ready to do anything to hurt you and hunt you down rather than seeing you happy with your life or with someone else. As I already mentioned in the previous comment, I really hope you won't ever find someone as dangerous as Nick in real life.

3) Last but not least, people don't even realise another of Nick's very unpleasant and concerning attitudes, which is VICTIM BLAMING. In episode 5 and 6 he repeatedly said things like "it serves you right for being slutty" and "you are making many enemies" and so on and so forth. Implying that, for instance, Boston sleeping around is the reason why he would deserve what Gap did to him, or Nick did himself. He is victim blaming him because he is not able to find a better excuse for the pathetic excuse of a man he is. No one deserves to be recorded in any sexual setting without consent, and blackmailed. NO ONE. But Nick apparently loves Ton so much (find sarcasm please) that he is always more than ready to put Ton's ACTUAL safety in danger. I could go on and on about this but again, everyone is so fixated on the fact that Ton is the one and only villain that they excuse (worse, don't even notice and recognise) how gigantic of a red flag psycho Nick is.

4) Never denied how shitty of a friend Boston was to Mew and Ray especially. That is why I said that he deserves to be left alone. But again, I'm empathetic when it comes to LGBT rights, to freaking privacy, to outing people without their consent (Which are all very important and delicate matters that MAYBE considering how you find all this so NOT problematic, you have never even lived firsthand in your life). You can hate Boston but how can you not feel sympathy for him when he was being threatened with a sex video tape he gave no consent to exist in the first place. He was terrified, and rightfully so.Even I, who as you probably understood I despise Nick's character with all my might, I felt a bit empathetic when he cried with Sand. Because despite everything he did, he was heartbroken and I was starting to feel a bit sad and relate to his pain. But then he freaking "sold" very delicate information about the person he so loves, so all the little sympathy I was feeling was thrown back into the litter. What a shitty person he is omg.

As if sleeping with your friend's "boyfriend" (at the time Mew kept saying they were not even boyfriends) and blackmailing someone with sexual content taken without consent were on the same level. For the latter you go to jail, for the former you most definitely don't 🤗 Oh and by the way, you hate Boston but not Nick? hahahahah that psycho and pathetic excuse of a man. I understand your point of preferring Sand and Mew, of course I do too, but Nick? He has done nothing apart from obsessing over someone who has been very clear from the very beginning. He has stalked him, went through his phone multiple times, went through his pictures, kept his phone's passcode, eavesdropped on his conversations, bugged his car and recorded him having sex without any consent whatsoever. He literally sold Mew (for his alleged revenge) an information as dangerous and destructive as the one of Boston being recorded without consent, and how that could destroy him. He is pathetic and just a psycho that claims to love him and then sells this kind of information to Mew without having a clue about what Mew was planning to actually do with it. He makes me want to puke. But it is enough for him to shed some tears (for something he created himself, the door to get the hell out of that relationship has always been wide open) and everyone is all about "poor nick my boyyyyyy he deserves betterrrr he is so in loveeee but Boston is soo mean" please. Hopefully you won't encounter someone like Nick in real life, I really hope you won't.

Boston is indeed a shitty friend, but I don't see his behaviour as something worth of the "you deserve to die" from Mew. He most definitely doesn't deserve to die. He does deserve to be left alone, definitely. But die? It's a tiny little bit to much I would say. Another thing he doesn't deserve is being blackmailed with a sex video tape recorded without his freaking consent. Because that is illegal, and nasty on a whole new level. And right when I had kinda started to feel a tiny little bit of sympathy towards Nick, he goes on trying to be a psycho threat to Boston's privacy and safety, ONCE AGAIN. I didn't like Mew scaring Ton into thinking he was actually going to show the video to his father. Boston was (RIGHTFULLY SO) terrified. Trying to out someone to his father, who could also be homophobic for what we know, by showing him a gay sex video tape taken without that person's freaking consent is just insane. I was so taken aback. Thank god Mew is not a fool so he actually didn't (and also kinda pretty much "saved" Boston, cause I reckon he actually also deleted the video from Gap's computer), but what SHOOK me was Nick, once again. He didn't know what Mew was going to do with the information he PURPOSELY gave him, a very dangerous and illegal information, but he still did. He is sick. And people still feel sympathy for that pathetic excuse of a man? After everything stalkish and illegal he did to Boston, he was ready to help Mew in his alleged "revenge plan" giving him this kind of information that he knew was going to literally be so dangerous for Boston's safety even in his OWN house? I get why Mew would want to get his revenge, I don't condone what Boston did whatsoever. But Nick? What fucking revenge does he feel entitled to? For what exactly? For Boston not wanting him to be his partner? For Boston just wanting to mind his own freaking business and sleep with whoever he wants? Boston has ALWAYS been very very clear, he doesn't want to commit. The door for Nick to get the fuck out of there if that kind of "relationship" wasn't for him has always been freaking wide open. It is Nick who would always ask questions he already knew the answers to, and then would put up the "beaten doggo" face. It is Nick who created a fake narrative in his own mind just by himself. It is Nick who went through Ton's phone on multiple occasions, went through his pictures, eavesdropped at his conversations multiple times, freaking bugged his car and recorded him having sex with someone, without his consent. He says he is SO in love with him, but then he is so ready to put him in so much REAL danger, by sharing that kind of information with someone who is definitely very mad at Boston and thus would most probably use it to hurt him bad. Again, hurting with something illegal, that could destroy his relationship with apparently the only person he has in his family, that would jeopardize his father's career, and would out him to the world in one of the most intimate moments one could be filmed in. It makes me puke. For real. Especially seeing how people are so gullible, it is enough to see Nick shed some tears and BOOM "my poor baby nick he deserves so much betterrrrrr he is soooo in loveeee but Boston is soooo cruel". Please, get a grip. Since most of you seem to despise Boston so much, then I would say that Boston and Nick MOST DEFINITELY deserve each other on every level. Cause Nick is definitely 100% worse. And it should be objective.