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Thank again for participating and making this experience a real pleasure! I'm unwell at the moment, and haven't been active online at all. I still don't feel well, but I wanted to at least get the thread started up. Take care.
Hi everyone! I'm sorry that this chapter is so long but I found it hard to condense. It has a lot of nice scenes in it, though. Have a nice week!
Chapter 18
Phupha reflects that he just wants to live for others and all his real feelings are swallowed up by this this way of living.
Tian thanks Phupha for saving him and says he is attempting to repay him by taking care of him while he is recovering from his injuries. Phupha shuts his mouth to prevent Tian from feeding him. Tian asks him why he’s so stubborn and won’t allow him to take care of him. He asks Phupha when he thinks his wound will heal. Phupha replies mysteriously that his wound will never heal. Tian is a shaken by that statement seeing that Phupha, who seemed so strong was slowly breaking down.
Tian tells Phupha that he will be leaving him one day and he says he wants to leave behind a good memory of himself. Tian is crying when he says this and Phupha wipes the tears from his face.
Tian then reveals that he is the recipient of Torfun’s heart. Phupha says he is not surprised by that but that he is more surprised that Tian had Torfun’s diary. Tian apologizes for having taken her diary. Phupha replies to this “It doesn’t matter, just please don’t live your life to replace anyone else in the future.” This statement thoroughly shakes Tian.
Tian’s mind went blank and he reflects on how his life now was really that of Torfun and he cries profusely. He was living the life of a volunteer teacher like Torfun and not that of Tian Sopasitsakul, the unprofessional rich boy.
He mumbles something unintelligible like a madman while sobbing hard and shaking from the inability to accept the truth.
Phupha feels Tian’s pain but he doesn’t want to intervene because he feels Tian would not be able to get rid of Torfun’s influence if he helped him out. Phupha takes Tian’s hand and tenderly wipes away his tears. Tian says he feels like his body and heart are splitting in two. Phupha tries to calm him by asking Tian to reflect on why he came to Phabandao village in the first place. Tian was silent for a while but then finally answers that he came to fulfill Torfun’s last wish which was to pray to the stars at the end of the year and then confess her love for Phupha on Phabandao cliff. Phupha says he has misinterpreted Torfun’s words in her diary because, in reality, it says one is supposed to count a thousand stars in the sky and then one’s wish would come true. Tian asks in surprise that if he does that, will there be a miracle? Phupha replies he doesn’t know because no one has succeeded in doing it yet.
The next day Longtae looks for Tian. He’s been told that Tian will be leaving by the end of the year. Longtae reflects that even if Tian is an impulsive person he was also one of the rather rare and sincere people he’s ever met. Longtae finds him by the waterfall to the north of the village. Longtae remarks that Tian looks sullen and asks if Tian wants to go home to Bangkok. Tian replies that he does. Longtae jokes that someone must have upset Tian, but seeing Tian’s sad expression he shuts up and then says Tian could rely on him to listen to his problems. Tian asks if a person exchanged hearts would their mind be absorbed by a hidden memory from the other person’s heart. Longtae laughs and says that that idea is like something from a sci-fi movie and asks how the heart can have memories? Hearing Longtae’s opinion, Tian’s mind becomes more clear and he soon reflects that he now thinks of Torfun as merely a dead person and a person that does not have any control of his life. Tian suddenly grins which spooks Longtae who asks if Tian is all right. Tian thanks Longtae for his help.
Longtae tells Tian that Khama has asked him to come to the school at 1 o’clock. When they arrive he sees the school has now been rebuilt. He sees the words “Happy New Year” are taped onto the walls, and soon the children run out to hug him. Tian looks up to the smiling Khama. Inside the school there is a table laden with pastries, biscuits and a very large chocolate cake. Everything has been arranged by Khama and Tian reflects that ‘this is the most impressive party of my life,’ even though he’s been to many five-star hotel banquets. After eating some cake Tian playfully takes some brown butter that was at the bottom of the cake tray and smears it all over Longtae’s face. The children seeing this soon attack Tian and get cake all over his face. Tian smiles even as his faces is covered with cake and thinks how he wants to collect all these precious memories before he leaves.
Tian goes out at night headed for Phabandao cliff. It’s on a nice sparsely wooded path with some fragrant smelling flowers that have a refreshing scent. He soon comes to an open space and starts counting the stars. The stars are beautiful and are densely packed in the sky. The stars seem very bright and soon he becomes dazzled by them . Tian starts getting a headache and becomes nauseous. As soon as he counts more than 500 starts there is a blinding flash of light that makes him cry out in pain.
Tian tries to revive himself and to renew his determination. He starts counting again and does better even as a fleeting thought occurs to him that what he’s doing is rather stupid and ridiculous. The light stings his delicate eyes and Tian feels dizzy but he grits his teeth and continues. His body nearly falls over but he slaps himself on the cheek to clear his head. It was as if thousands of stars were moving together in dazzling waves across the night sky. Tian was panting as he saw success nearly at hand. He was at 998, and his eyes became hollow and a hot crystal tear suddenly appeared and covered his eye. He was then at 999. Suddenly a large hand appeared above his eyes. Phupha tells Tian, “That’s enough.” Phupha’s fierce eyes softened sadly and he says, “You’ve done your best.” Tian is upset and says he didn’t do this for Torfun and that he only did this for himself. He then says that he doesn’t want to leave the village and he doesn’t want to leave Phupha. Tian then kisses Phupha. His body trembled and tensed and he holds onto Phupha for a long time. In between sobs he tells Phupha that even though it started with Torfun, all his feelings were now his own. Tian asks Phupha, “If I’m gone, will you forget me?”, Phupha replies, “I’ll never forget you, not even once.” After a long time Phupha then says, “But when you go back, I want you to forget about me.” Tian backs away angrily and rebukes Phupha for his suggestion. Phupha tells Tian he should find someone of equal social standing. Tian then tells him that it is impossible for him to forget Phupha. Phupha tells him, “Let time be the judge of that.” They hold on to each other and even though the night was chilly a wave of deep love tied them together and the warmth spreads throughout their hearts.
Dawn finally comes and Tian is greeted by Longtae. He tells Tian that someone has come to pick him up. He soon finds it is his friend Tay. They embrace but Tay soon admonishes Tian for what he’s done. Tian says that ‘he couldn’t think of any other way’. Tay thanks Khama for looking after Tian. They walk down the steep slope to get from the village down to the main road and Tian says goodbye to the people of the village. Unexpectedly he finds the children have also come to say goodbye and they hug Tian while crying their farewell to him. Seeing this Tay says to Khama that even though he had made his mother sick with worry, that he was glad Tian decided to go to Phabandao village. Tian notices that Phupha isn’t there to say farewell and reflects that he really did intend for Tian to forget about him. Tian with red teary eyes waves goodbye to everyone. Tian grabs Tay’s hand and tries to rush away being embarrassed to show his vulnerability to the children.
dllmzca:Thank again for participating and making this experience a real pleasure! I'm unwell at the moment, and haven't been active online at all. I still don't feel well, but I wanted to at least get the thread started up. Take care.
Thank you for this as always, btw the Title for this Discussion is Ep. 7 instead of 8 just wanted to give you aheads up. :)
solipsism5:Tian then reveals that he is the recipient of Torfun’s heart. Phupha says he is not surprised by that but that he is more surprised that Tian had Torfun’s diary. Tian apologizes for having taken her diary. Phupha replies to this “It doesn’t matter, just please don’t live your life to replace anyone else in the future.” This statement thoroughly shakes Tian.
I liked how tame and simple the confrontation here was, i know the confrontation in the show was intense and really tearjerking but i also loved it. It was both good in its own way, i think they really had to change it up in the screenplay to make it more climactic and really emphasize the internal conflict of Tian.
solipsism5:Tian starts getting a headache and becomes nauseous. As soon as he counts more than 500 starts there is a blinding flash of light that makes him cry out in pain.
Reading this reminded me of the BTS, i really felt how Mix was so considerate that even if he was not feeling well all he could think of was how it would be a big inconvenience for everyone if he says he's not feeling well. We saw how it was a struggle for everyone from the staff to the actors to shoot there bringing all the props and things. From what i understood they had to shoot all the scenes in Pha Pun Dao in 1 day so the schedule was really tight. I really think they intended for him to count to 999 but since Mix fainted they had to change things up.
This whole chapter has so many good scenes. Thank you again for translating :)
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Thank you! I do enjoy it. I do some writing in my spare time and it's fun analyzing the differences. It's actually quite complex and in this case there are so many valid takes from both the novel and screenplay, but, honestly, the screenplay is mostly better. This chapter was my favorite of the novel. I love the line where it says "It was as if thousands of stars were moving together in dazzling waves across the night sky." I've read a lot but the author, Bacteria, hit upon one of the best images I've ever seen in a novel. I just love that part. If you read this section of the novel it just waxed poetic whereas much of the rest of the novel is so humdrum. The whole chapter is just emotionally and spiritually so much more elevated than the rest, but you can see how she built it up to this point. Kudos to Bacteria. I've been a little tough on her, but she is certainly a very cogent inspiration for this series.
solipsism5:Thank you! I do enjoy it. I do some writing in my spare time and it's fun analyzing the differences. It's actually quite complex and in this case there are so many valid takes from both the novel and screenplay, but, honestly, the screenplay is mostly better. This chapter was my favorite of the novel. I love the line where it says "It was as if thousands of stars were moving together in dazzling waves across the night sky." I've read a lot but the author, Bacteria, hit upon one of the best images I've ever seen in a novel. I just love that part. If you read this section of the novel it just waxed poetic whereas much of the rest of the novel is so humdrum. The whole chapter is just emotionally and spiritually so much more elevated than the rest, but you can see how she built it up to this point. Kudos to Bacteria. I've been a little tough on her, but she is certainly a very cogent inspiration for this series.
I agree this chapter i feel like there's a lot of things i want to say and analyze but i's not really great with words lol. And yes, knowing in the novel that there hasn't been one person who had successfully counted 1000 stars made it more challenging/different and so the description of it was really unique.
And your translation and effort on describing everything to make sure you can translate it as close to the original as possible is really appreciated. Thank you so much again.
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The end of the series is nearing and I'm sad. We should figure sth. out to watch after this haha
So yeah I was dreading this episode, I don't even wanna think about it. Phu was so mean exposing Tian in front of everyone and he himself wasn't even better. He has also hidden Torphuns death from everyone but somehow no one cares about that. And the villagers didn't even ask further and just judged Tian like that bruh... yeah no I'm gonna get mad again so let's not think about this.
The last scene was great though. Too dark but still great. The reference with the hornbills always makes me sad but then again it's so romantic.
So as this episode was dreading, but the music was more than amazing in this episode, I'll drop some of the songs here:
- When Tian and Phu were visiting Torphuns "grave" or dunno how to call that place:
Fragile - Bonn Fields: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f4nAn5q5Tk
- Before Tian told the villagers the truth he was sitting in the school with sorrow in his eyes
Breathe one's last - Jakob Ahlbom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW-dseoDMB4&ab_channel=EpidemicEpidemic
- When Tian walks away while crying of course it is the soundtrack playing but an instrumental version and I can't find it anywhere on Youtube sadly
- When Tian waited for the children to come to school
With you I'm me - Bonn Fields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXv-Enoaaw0&ab_channel=BonnFields%E2%80%93ThemaBonnFields%E2%80%93Thema
- When the villagers set down a picture of Torfun and layed down flowers and Tian looking at it while crying (the version used in the series seems to be higher pitched though)
Gone - Gavin Luke https://www.youtube.com/watchv=N7TqEQk7zHs&ab_channel=EpidemicRelaxEpidemicRelax
- When Tian was talking to Phu and this song was playing and later while talking it changed to the instrumental of the soundtrack again
Things found in dreams - Jay Varton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X4Y2_aZ3Ko&ab_channel=JayVarton%E2%80%93ThemaJayVarton%E2%80%93Thema
- When Tian was talking to Khama one of my fave songs was on
Roots - Jakob Ahlbom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ehP3bW2_OI&ab_channel=EpidemicRelaxEpidemicRelax
- Short after, this came on I also really like it
Messages on the wind - Emily Rubye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTopb5-qddw&ab_channel=EmilyRubye-Topic
- While Tian and Longtae were talking at the waterfall
One day years from now - Dream Cave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKlLbZ8KcWo&ab_channel=DreamCave%E2%80%93ThemaDreamCave%E2%80%93Thema
- At the end when Phu was shot there was also an amazing song playing but I couldn't find it at all :( Shazam didn't do anything and I also couldn't find it on the Spotify playlist.. if anybody knows tell me
Of course there were many other songs and especially in this episode lots of dramatic soundtracks but the ones I listed where the ones I really liked throughout the episode :)
I had a blast yesterday and look forward to seeyou guys again next week ♥
Thank you so much, Kpop, for all those links. (The music is so beautiful and it brings tears to my eyes.....) I think the last one (Dream Cave) is my favorite. It is a sunrise-and-hope kind of melody.
kpoptrash:We should figure sth. out to watch after this haha
I would be very much in favor of that!!! Normally I watch BL series on my own (my husband is seriously not interested) and it is great to have some like-minded people to talk with.
The hard part might be coming to agreement on which one to watch next. One obvious candidate would be ITSAY, which is so wonderful in so many ways. Or Gaya Sa Pelikula (Like in the Movies). Or if we all want to be just fluffy and light and lovestruck, there's also Boys Lockdown.
Others: Please indicate if you'd be interested in this, and which series might grab your interest!!
kpoptrash:When Tian and Phu were visiting Torphuns "grave" or dunno how to call that place
The English word for that type of final resting place is "columbarium," which is a pretty specialized word and I think most native English speakers would not know it. (It comes from the ancient roman word for "dove", as the niches where the ashes are stored resemble the little holes in a dovecote (nest), where the doves go in and stay.)
BraveAppointment1:Thank you so much, Kpop, for all those links. (The music is so beautiful and it brings tears to my eyes.....) I think the last one (Dream Cave) is my favorite. It is a sunrise-and-hope kind of melody.
Take this as my apology for the "duh" hahaha.
It does indeed sound like that! So beautiful. I really loved the "Gone" song because it fits the scene so well and gave me goosebumps. I really like the soft piano sounds and even more the soft violin sounds as I play the violin myself.
BraveAppointment1:I would be very much in favor of that!!! Normally I watch BL series on my own (my husband is seriously not interested) and it is great to have some like-minded people to talk with.
The hard part might be coming to agreement on which one to watch next. One obvious candidate would be ITSAY, which is so wonderful in so many ways. Or Gaya Sa Pelikula (Like in the Movies). Or if we all want to be just fluffy and light and lovestruck, there's also Boys Lockdown.
Others: Please indicate if you'd be interested in this, and which series might grab your interest!!
I'm up for all of them as I watched and loved them all! So everyone share your thoughts :)
BraveAppointment1:The English word for that type of final resting place is "columbarium," which is a pretty specialized word and I think most native English speakers would not know it. (It comes from the ancient roman word for "dove", as the niches where the ashes are stored resemble the little holes in a dovecote (nest), where the doves go in and stay.)
Oh, right! Now that you mention it I heard it before. The dovecote is such a nice way to describe it. And we actually also call it a "Kolumbarium" here in Germany so just with a K. I don't think it's commonly used here though at least not where I live. Usually you just get a funeral with a coffin and a nice grave stone. Because the next columbarium is a one hour drive away from where I live and the cemetery I can go to by foot lol. But I see it often in Korean dramas that they store the ashes of the deceased in a nice urn and keep it in a columbarium along with a picture and flowers and visit there every year.
solipsism5:Thank you! I do enjoy it. I do some writing in my spare time and it's fun analyzing the differences.
You are doing a good job in summarizing the novel! I'm looking forward to the next. Thank you!
kpoptrash:- At the end when Phu was shot there was also an amazing song playing but I couldn't find it at all :( Shazam didn't do anything and I also couldn't find it on the Spotify playlist.. if anybody knows tell me
Thank you kpop for listing down the music. Here are some of my favorites as it always steers my emotions:
1. Friend or Foe- Johannes Bornlöf
2. One Day Years From Now- Dream Cave
3. Roots- Jakob Ahlbom
4. Unspeakable Joy- Edgar Hopp
5. Gone- Gavin Luke
6. Lots of Love, Judy- David Celeste
7. Don't Look Back- Dream Cave
8. Messages On The Window- Emily Rubye
9. A Moment to Myself- Jon Björk
10. Distant Echo & Sphere- Jakob Ahlbom
I have a lot of favorites in episode 10 too which is yet to be discovered.
kpoptrash:I'm up for all of them as I watched and loved them all! So everyone share your thoughts :)
You guys can count me in too. You guys are so fun to do a re-watch with.
BraveAppointment1:The English word for that type of final resting place is "columbarium," which is a pretty specialized word and I think most native English speakers would not know it. (It comes from the ancient roman word for "dove", as the niches where the ashes are stored resemble the little holes in a dovecote (nest), where the doves go in and stay.)
It's also called Columbarium in the Philippines. There's even one for pets here. How interesting!
I love this episode but I still stand with what I said that they could have gone away with keeping Torfun's death a secret. The decision to include it is weak and really has no purpose other than to stir more drama that it got too much already and the result is a damp squib for me. It also made a lot of the audience hate Phupha more for keeping it a secret. I think we are all in agreement that he shouldn't have confronted Tian in front of the villagers. It is out of his character but quite honestly it is realistic.
He wasn't necessarily the most composed character in the show and he can be resolute and stubborn once he made up his mind.
In episode 1, his anger over Torfun's death is made apparent and he did say he'll never forgive who ran her over. He is obviously aware of the background of the case including the money involved in settling it.
In episode 2, we've heard Phupha said a lot of harsh things to Tian when he confronted him about Kalae's drowning. KZrocks is right. He can be pretty callous and his words cut deep so no surprise he did it again here.
In episode 4, he asked Tian directly about his relationship with Torfun but he denied knowing her and he believed it.
Things have progressed significantly between him and Tian since then. The bonus scene where he finally admitted he wants Tian to stay was the biggest indication that he's completely won over. There was no reason to hide their feelings for each other.
So Tian's revelation is nothing short of betrayal. The way Phupha looked at him as he walked away after the revelation was full of pain (sad teary eyes). He was deeply hurting because of all the emotional investments. So no matter how much people want to punch him, I can't feel the same. I was once in his position before and it's soul crushing.
He was not beyond reason though and took a bullet for Tian without hesitation.
And I'd like to think he'd still do it even if Dr. Nam didn't tell him he's not directly responsible not because of duty but simply because his love for Tian is much stronger. Ok, that's me being romantic :)
Jaybird17:they could have gone away with keeping Torfun's death a secret. The decision to include it is weak and really has no purpose other than to stir more drama that it got too much already
Yep, I'm with ya, for this one. The drama would have been enough if they already knew Torfun had died, but Tian just revealed his connections with her (owning the death vehicle and then getting her heart).
I think this episode is the most powerful dramatically. It borders on melodrama, but I have no problem with it. I think Tian’s confession to the whole village while being scolded by Phupha is just such a hard thing to take for any normal person. Tian was cut down so hard it is hard to imagine someone recovering from it for several months, at least. The naïve trusting villagers accusing him of lying to them had to be incredibly hard on Tian and doing it all together would be overwhelming for almost anyone. The drama here is absolutely at the maximum – like you would see in a war setting or scene of a genocide. I really do think it was at that level because of the level of disappointment the villagers had for Tian and because of Tian’s very abrasive rejection by his love interest, Phupha. This might be the most somber moment in any BL I’ve ever seen, and in a way, the most powerful vehicle for our emotional involvement as well.
The funereal atmosphere continues for a while Tian walks around the village like a zombie with everyone refusing to acknowledge him. When he sees Phupha later the look he gives him conveys such hatred, when he says, “Why don’t you just leave.” You couldn’t imagine your love interest doing that to you. It would be devastating, and you have to feel so sorry for Tian. He’s already been through hell and he has to hear this on top of it. It’s as if Phupha is saying why don’t you die already? Again, this is such a powerful moving moment like I’ve seen nowhere else in BL.
Finally there is some relief when Khama tells Longtae to basically forgive Tian with the lovely proverb of the caterpillars turning into butterflies. Longtae seeks Tian out and finally the somber mood is lifted. And then we are taken into a whole new drama which seems like an antidote to the previous one. This drama is actually less gripping for me but it is certainly very powerful, albeit in your normal Hollywood kind of way. Before that, though, Tian’s confession to Longtae reveals that he didn’t actually kill Torfun directly, but it reveals how Tian was willing to take the whole blame for the incident rather than skirting around it. You have to feel admiration for Tian for taking such a brave stand.
The following scene with the smugglers is really exciting and I really love how the actor who plays Sakda reveals himself to be just a merciless killer which is such a stark contrast to when he was playing the kindly old gentleman. Tian reveals himself to be very brave risking death without much thought and risking his life to make sure that Longtae can get away. One of the most gripping moments occurs when Tian is about to be killed only to get a reprieve. Shortly afterwards we see Phupha get shot in the back. Overall, this day and the previous one for Tian should require several months to recover from, but this is one of those fantasy moments in the drama world where magical recoveries are a norm. I think this episode left me a little emotionally exhausted but in a good way. I felt its impact like no other BL before and we have to admire the craftsmanship that went into that.
I have a suggestion if anyone is interested in another rewatch. I know someone already mentioned it but I would suggest ITSAY because you could invite some people over from those currently watching I Promised You the Moon. Just post it on the current discussion board so you can get a whole new bunch of people.
This is a nice group of people that are watching 1000 stars and I appreciate your many nice comments and your enthusiasm. It's fun having rewatch parties to share our experiences and love for BL. Can we change the time, though? I would rather do these things on Saturdays because I work during the weekdays [the only reason I haven't attended any of the rewatches, live]. I think a lot of other people also work on Friday mornings. I'm up for anything, though.
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