#MuslimBan

@Coolish

I want to point out a couple of things to you.

1. Homosexuality is not just seen as evil and sinful in Islam. Most Christian religions believe this too. Some are more hateful and vocal about it. There are extreme fundementalist Christians that believe homosexuals deserve to die and burn in hell. It's horrible and disgusting, but those kinds of people exist, and they are not only Muslim. In fact, the only openly anti homosexual people I have ever known have been white Christians. And I live in the southern US, so I have, unfortunately, known many. 

2. Yes, entering a country is not a right, it is a privlege. However, our whole foundation is built upon freedom from oppression. Also, it is unconstitutional to exclude anyone based on race, religion, gender or age. There can never be an actual Muslim ban because it would violate human rights. I do agree that our immigration system needs to be dealt with, but trying to ban a whole race and religion of people is morally, ethically and just plain outright WRONG. I say this about anyone who supports a ban of a faith or a race: You are being racist and ignorant, because you are disregarding what the country you claim to want to protect stands for.

@Coolish  Lets take your responses one by one shall we?

"Your reply is hilarious and why I said there was no point in getting into a debate in the first place. You falsely compare modern Christianity with modern Islam, seriously? How many terrorist attacks have there been in the last couple years in the name of Christianity? Please remind me because I can't remember.  here's a list of christian terrorist attacks over time 

 "how about the florida nightclub shootings?" ** Done by a Muslim you fucking moron."  
Did you just call me a fucking moron?   actually that was in response to YOUR comment about dying in one of THOSE countries for being gay, but those people died in YOUR country for being gay. lets look at some thing about this eh?  how safe are LGBT people in your country? And while we're at it lets take a look at who the vast majority of mass murders in your country are?  Are they terrorists from another country or are they largely white American males?   

"do you think the christian right thinks any differently?" **  You pulled that out of your ass with no proof, no source. Good job. Source

"would you like to discuss trans vaginal ultrasounds for anyone wanting an abortion in some states of america?" ** Honestly comparing not being able to have an abortion with the treatment of women in Islam? LOL - why is this funny?  how much do you know about how women are treated in islam?  do you have personal experience of it, or do you just see the skewed view the media shows you.  How many muslim women do you know?

"Christianity's book demands the stoning of adulterers and perpetrators of apostasy, are you suggesting it's different?" ** Yes, because people in the modern day don't fucking act on it. Most Muslims don't act on the nonsense in their religious text either.

"Your country IS morally obligated.  it is a signatory to a raft of international agreements including the Geneva convention. the right to claim asylum is not a privilege it is a right." ** We are NOT obligated. Whatever obligation you think we have should be changed. Nothing is set in stone.
Refugee Convention - USA is a signatory
geneva convention - USA is a signatory

"so the rest of the world should ban Americans from entering their country because of Christianity?  i live in a Buddhist country.  do you know how many people come to this country with the express intention of converting people?  even though proselytising is illegal?  do you know what percentage of those people are american?" ** Again, pulled this out of your ass with no source, but that's okay. People who come to your country and do something illegal should be punished for it, as it's illegal. You have no actual point here.
Cambodia the ninth fastest country converting to christianity
the damage done by orphanages in cambodia 
the UNICEF report on orphanages in cambodia
friends international on orphanages in cambodia

"(Japanese internment anyone?  it's not like it hasn't happened before!  - know your history)" What's your proof that it's turning into this? Because so far all you've been doing is assuming things with no evidence or proof. Stop trying to compare things that aren't comparable. This is a complete fucking fallacy with no logical reasoning behind it. "It IS discrimination and if you think it's not you need to look at your first amendment." ** It is discrimination yes. Just like it would be discrimination to not want a pedophile around your children.  Are you comparing the vast majority of muslims to pedophiles?  wow 
here's your first amendment, is what trump is doing to your constitution ok with you?

"The Australian Government puts refugees in concentration camps as a direct scare tactic to prevent people from coming to Australia." ** Again, not comparable because he has not done this. This is the last I'm going to bother replying here. Nothing you said was even slightly intelligent or back up by reason. All you did was pull things out of your ass and make assumptions.

I just don't even know how to respond to your last argument.  Can't you see a warning about what is ahead for you guys if your president doesn't stop this crap? Now I've provided some sources and information (which is more than you've done, by the way).

@ThomasNL you're right.  I did assume you were american.  My apologies.

However before our current Prime Minister became PM he gave a speech about how it's no longer beneficial to be an ally of the US in the pacific.  I'm trying to find it to link to it now, but all i can find is bloody Turnbull/Trump articles and essays about how gutless our PM is.  when i find it, I'll link it

There have been so many good points made in this thread already, but I would like to add my voice to the mix.  

@bannie asked if a Muslim ban was ok or not.  I firmly believe is it NOT okay to ban anyone based on religion, place of birth, skin color, parents' last names, favorite choice of pet, extreme ignorance by choice, shoe size, sexual preference, gender, sex, fluidity, distaste of hair growth treatments, abhorrence of fake tans.... Who knows? Maybe those of us who enjoy Asian Dramas will be the next to be attacked.  

TL;DR: It's a slippery slope for any nation to create and enforce a ban based on arbitrary prejudices; especially by a nation that prides itself on being created by immigrants who rallied for Freedom of Religion.

Mandatory Disclosures: I'm American.  I'm part Native American. 

P.S. If we are going to start allowing bans based on nonsensical rules, my first Executive Order will be to ban everyone who has not watched Healer from watching any form of entertainment until they do so. 

P.P.S. I dislike shoe laces.  Someone make an arbitrary Executive Order to ban them, please.  May you can do that, @Coolish? Since you're only slightly cool, and most definitely bigoted enough to do it. I'd say I was disappointed in your posts, but I think it's positive when ignorance uncloaks itself for all to see.  To appreciate the Light, Darkness exists.