Tushan Jing and Xiao Yao, here's to a Happily Ever After

Yah BOTH is the solution ?

Ikrr ?

Pitiful Tushan Jing going through all those; he truly deserved the h.e. with her ♥️♥️

It still didn't work for me because she still had memories of BC and I still see her as BC and I still get pissed off every time

Hahahaha he should've never been to the forest but they were destined to meet, I hate it

I like the similarities of Xiao Lin and Tushan Jing ♥️

Ye Bing Chang vs Tushan Hou: I hate then both but you're right, Hou remained the pathetic loser that he is, died with his psychological issue unresolved because he chose to close that door

FFYY lost more than Tushan Hou did, unfair don't u think?

Chen Du Ling did a good job as BC and Mo Nv hahaha and she's a very pretty face, she's like a doll

IT IS INJUSTICE!

FFYY suffered more, he looked as good as dead when she removed her veil looking so weak but Hou who got away so easily was still on his revenge on Tushan Jing, come on dude ? 

I can't get over how he died, how is that an ending for him? I want a fanfic with him suffering more than he did in the drama

Unleash it all the way girl ??

 casie:

Tushan Jing is the improved version of Xiao Lin because of his happy ending; however he suffered more physical and longer mental torture

Hahahaha...yeah, improved version can take on a lot more crap I guess. But poor baby. 

 casie:

Both were born with already a list responsibilities, what a cruel fate for those born as royals and nobles

I agree with the cards that trapped them, cruel, cruel life

Anyone from the 21st century who thinks the ancient royal or noble life is a good life has not watched enough palace dramas. ?

Their marriages are not for love. It is for alliance, so what can one say if the husband is asked to take on more concubines? Even if all was peaceful between CX and XinYue, her role as Emperess is not easy also. And when the kids come, it's competition to see who gets the throne. More politics. 

If I was born back then, just merchant class is good enough. Maybe scholar? LOL I am staying away from the palace and the nobles. Unless it's Jing. ?

 casie:

They're 2 awesome charas of Deng Wei and I can't wait for the other charas he will unlock ♥️♥️

Level UP!!! Characters unlocked! LOL

 casie:

Tushan Jing is the improved version of Xiao Lin because of his happy ending; however he suffered more physical and longer mental torture

I sped through TTEOTM and I liked the mortal arc stuff the best (Xiao Lin of course). The other stuff...not so much. I think even between that drama and LYF, you can see how much DW improved in his performance as well. There's much more for him to work with in the character of TSJ (until the second half of S2 lol).

 soTreeD:

After rewatching Season 1 and re-reading the novel slowly, I could see they already removed a few important lines just to reinforce this image since long ago. Sometimes the lines is short but they still removed it

I don't have the grasp of all the details in the novel like AH does haha, but I can sense that by S2, much of the layered nuance in the novel is lost in the drama, replaced by unfortunately (for me at least) a tendency for over-the-top melodrama. In my opinion the stuff between CX and XY went too far, and then there was no satisfying consequence (it was all a dream). Also, XL's stuff was also too out in the open - I liked how in the novel you couldn't really grasp his full intentions (until maybe that epilogue - and then it hits you really hard).

I know I know, it was always going to need to be changed because a lot of the audience for the drama had already read the novel (so everyone knew already where CX and XL were headed). I just wished it could have been less over-the-top and with more depth added to some characters.

 ChunTian:

Actually it is ok that the novel audience knew what is going to happen. As long as the story was told well and any changes made aligned with the flow of the story. S2 was a hot mess. Changes made did not flow well and made characters look bad.

Exactly, as long as the story made sense, I think it would have worked out just fine, even with the ultimate change to CX's character.  It was very choppy and ultimately unsatisfying like a sandwich missing the main part in the middle. I think the opening and ending of the second season were ok. It's the middle that got weird for me.

 soTreeD:

I think the drama failed to deliver just how much the old Tushan Madam did for her family and how good she treated her two grandsons.... we as audience didn't like her for what she did, but as a woman of her times, she really deserved respect and her grandchildren's love. When she passed away, the entire Tushan clan willingly paid her the highest respect for a woman who was not a clan leader ( apparently they were quite ahead of the times because a woman could have been clan leader back then? hehe )

Even someone as ruthless as Tushan Hou, he would rather struggle with her over the 30 over years during Jing's coma rather than kill her off to take over the clan leader position. He really loved his grandmother as well because she was sincerely good to him too.

I personally loathed TSJ's grandmother in the novel just as much as I loathed her in the drama. Yes, she dedicated most of her life to protecting the continued existence and success of the Tushan Clan, which was arguably a selfless cause, and she was apparently a loving grandmother to TSJ and TSH when they were children... 

But she allowed TSJ's mother to mistreat TSH from the day TSH was born to the day TSJ's mother died, which created the inferiority / superiority complex and most of the pent-up anger that TSH later unleashed on TSJ. And she perpetuated that mistreatment when she insisted that TSJ must become clan leader even though TSH (the older grandson) desperately wanted the position and (after making his promise to XY) TSJ desperately did not want it. She hurt TSH and didn't care that she was making the animosity that TSH felt towards TSJ worse. 

She also forced TSJ to maintain his engagement with FFYY and when he persisted in trying to end the engagement she heartlessly tricked him into thinking that she would consider breaking the engagement and told him to accompany FFYY and treat FFYY like a sister - even though she had zero intention of following through. When TSJ finally declared that he would leave the Tushan Clan if his grandmother would not agree to end the engagement, she used her own pain and suffering and TSJ's love for her to blackmail him into staying and agreeing to become the next clan leader. In doing so, she ignored both TSJ and TSH's wants and feelings and again stoked the animosity that TSH felt for TSJ. 

And worst of all she conspired with FFYY and gave TSJ the love potion / drug that made him think that he had slept with FFYY and gotten her pregnant. She thought that she had helped FFYY date rape her grandson and then celebrated when those actions seemed to result in a pregnancy that forced FFYY and TSJ's marriage to proceed. Which is utterly sickening. 

She thought she was doing right by her clan, but by putting the clan first she was completely willing to condemn both of her grandsons (her only living family) to misery, despair and animosity. It's understandable that the clans would honour her as a devoted former clan leader, but I wouldn't wish a grandmother like that on anyone.

 soTreeD:

When the drama left out all these, they created the 'weak' Jing who cannot 'go against' his grandmother image. But they painted the idea that Xiangliu was not 'weak' but 'loyal' to his foster father, even if he didn't really want to die but he would follow him down that road...

IMO, this dynamic in the drama is pretty much the same as it was in the novel. 

Many fans do not view XL's loyalty to Gong Gong and unwillingness to desert the remnant army as problematic in the same way as TSJ's filial piety to his grandmother and his unwillingness to desert the Tushan Clan at certain points in the story because XL made no promises to XY and intentionally prevented her from forming any expectations that he would be by her side long-term (e.g., by telling XY that she had to erase the memories she saved of him in her mirror in chapter 22 / by telling XY that she and FFB were only temporary companions, as XY recalled in chapter 32 / by never confessing his feelings or asking her to wait for him). 

Whereas TSJ asked XY to wait for him, asked her not to let another man into her heart for 15 years, and promised to break his engagement with FFYY and return YSQ to her within 15 years. And TSJ wasn't able to keep that promise because he was unable to convince his grandmother to agree to let him break the engagement and decline the clan leader role, he was unwilling to leave the Tushan Clan at certain points due to his sense of responsibility to the clan / due to filial piety / due to his grandmother blackmailing him with her own suffering, and he did not anticipate and protect himself against FFYY and his grandmother's schemes... so he was caught in their trap. 

If TSJ was the only person who suffered as a result of these things, I don't think TSJ would be criticized nearly as much. But these things, including TSJ's response to them and his concurrent actions towards XY, ended up hurting XY deeply. A bit like how TSJ's unwillingness to hurt FFYY led to TSJ unintentionally allowing XY to be hurt instead.

"忘记了" can be translated as "forgot" and that is how Koala and most AI-powered translation functions translate that phrase. But it can also be translated as "failed to remember", "overlooked", or "neglected to consider". I feel like those options are probably a more appropriate translations in this context, which, IMO, reflect a bit better on TSJ than "forgot". 

 liddi:

liddi Oct 29, 2023 09:51 pm
 AH :
I agree that line is pretty insane. My guess is that the translation is slightly off and a more accurate translation would be more like "He didn’t want to hurt Fang Feng Yi Yang but then he didn't consider that by doing so then he ended up hurting Xiao Yao."
Your interpretation is correct. The text 忘记 literally means "forgot", but can also be translated as "neglected to consider":

当年，总觉得防风意映无辜，是涂山氏和他对不起防风意映，不想伤害防风意映，可他忘记了，他不伤害防风意映就会伤害小夭。

Back then, he kept feeling that Fangfeng Yi Ying was innocent, and it was both he and the Tushan clan who wronged her, so he did not wish to hurt her, but he neglected to consider that by not hurting Fangfeng Yi Ying, Xiao Yao would be the one who was hurt instead.

On top of that, TSJ did not tell XY what happened between him and FFYY in chapter 25. He was aware that his grandmother and FFYY had conspired to drug him. He thought that he had slept with FFYY and he knew that XY would view that as a grievous betrayal. But when he saw XY again he did not warn her of what had happened or explain his grandmother and FFYY's involvement, even though he and XY had a long carriage ride together that gave him plenty of time to tell XY what happened before XY arrived at the Tushan Clan residence - where she interacted with his grandmother and FFYY. 

In the novel, TSJ had the opportunity to tell XY. When XY noticed TSJ's unusual demeanour, she asked him what was wrong, but he didn't answer her question or ask to speak with her before they got in the carriage. In the carriage, he tried to tell XY what happened three times. No one interrupted him or stopped him. But each time he wasn't able to bring himself to tell XY what happened. 

Instead, TSJ allowed XY to spend the next week in the dark while working hard to help create medicine for his grandmother - one of the key people who had a hand in creating this apparent devastating betrayal. If one were really to assume the worst of TSJ (as some fans do), one could even frame this as TSJ keeping XY ignorant of what happened at least long enough so that her skills could be used to create his grandmother's medicine and to teach Hu Zhen how to make it in the future. But let's assume that TSJ was not intentionally keeping XY ignorant for that reason (as I personally think assuming the worst of TSJ like that goes too far). Even so, it's undeniable that TSJ's failure to tell XY what happened when he had the chance led to XY being put in the position of finding out that TSJ had apparently slept with FFYY (and gotten FFYY pregnant) when XY herself had to diagnose FFYY. And then XY had to hear TSJ's grandmother congratulate FFYY and start talking about the wedding, and to see the confirmation of it all on TSJ's face. Which all seems like perhaps the absolute most painful / worst possible way that XY could have found out about what happened. 

All of that said, I think some fans do not give TSJ enough grace in this situation. He thought his grandmother and the fiancee he had spent years trying not to hurt (even though she treated him terribly and was repulsed by him) had conspired against him and tricked him so that FFYY could date rape him. And he thought that this situation might lead to him losing the woman he loved forever. A woman he felt that he could not live without. Only three months had passed since the incident. That's not a lot of time to process such a horrific experience. And TSJ had no real support in that situation. So although his failure to warn XY when he had the chance led to XY being hurt worse than she would have been hurt if he had warned her, I do think that his hesitation to speak about what had happened was understandable.

Also, I felt that the drama made TSJ look better for this part of the story than the novel did, since the drama made changes so that drama!TSJ repeatedly tried to tell XY what happened, but he kept getting interrupted by XY or others before he finally dropped the subject. And the drama didn't have XY ask TSJ what was wrong and then have TSJ not answer. And it didn't show the long carriage ride that TSJ had with XY (or the fact that XY stayed in the Tushan Clan residence for more than a week while she was treating TSJ's grandmother), so the audience didn't see how many opportunities TSJ had to tell XY about what happened before the pregnancy reveal scene.