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 emmagucci:

So that's why it disappeared! I thought I remembered wrong!  I always find it sad to not being able to add co-productions to my list (like the head , snowpiercer and Giri/Haji for example), so I get how you feel. >..< 

Guess Skye got reports from someone and he deleted The Head.

Giri/Haji is a British series directed, written, and produced by non-Japanese people, that is why we can’t add it, just like Memoirs of a Geisha.

 Old_Anime_Lady:
After 6 months it was deleted from the database as someone deemed it not right to be in the database.

Though I believe this was probably wrongly approved in the first place (due to the co-production thing), if in similar situations users could at the very least communicate more about and vote upon editing rules there could be some sort of discussion opened regarding said situation. There's always a grey area, even in the rules and guidelines here on this site. In my mind, transparency goes hand in hand with the respect you mention regarding the handling of your edits.

 Old_Anime_Lady:
I am addicted to lists).

Same! Haha. I was very happy when I found this site.

Hessa Volunteer Staff
 keebs777:

Though I believe this was probably wrongly approved in the first place (due to the co-production thing), if in similar situations users could at the very least communicate more about and vote upon editing rules there could be some sort of discussion opened regarding said situation. There's always a grey area, even in the rules and guidelines here on this site. In my mind, transparency goes hand in hand with the respect you mention regarding the handling of your edits.

Same! Haha. I was very happy when I found this site.

It was not wrongly approved. Co-produced content are allowed per rules, but the admin may delete them if they deem them too western. Even if users vote for a co-produced title, in the end, it is the admin’s decision to kerp or remove it, so users’ opinion would not matter just as it was deleted in this case.

I think that adding the possibility to rate an edit in edit history could help make the community more transparent and collaborative. It won't automatically approve wrong info, but it will help moderators in making decisions more based on the opinion of the majority of active users in case of grey areas. A feedback won't harm...right?

 Hessa:

It was not wrongly approved. Co-produced content are allowed per rules, but the admin may delete them if they deem them too western. Even if users vote for it, in the end, it is the admin’s decision, so votes and users’ opinion would not matter just as it was deleted in this case.

So the decision was made by a single admin and not by the majority vote among all admins? 

Hessa Volunteer Staff
 emmagucci:

So the decision was made by a single admin and not by the majority vote among all admins? 

We only have two owners/admins of the website. Ji-N is the programmer and Skye-N-Rain is mostly responsible for content and other things.

 Hessa:

Guess Skye got reports from someone and he deleted The Head.

Giri/Haji is a British series directed, written, and produced by non-Japanese people, that is why we can’t add it, just like Memoirs of a Geisha.

It's co-produced by BBC UK and Netfix. There are already a lot of Netflix series here. Just the fact that it premiered not on Netflix, doesn't make it less of a Netlfix series in my opinion, but I get it that since the director is British, people may deem it less Japanese despite the Japanese actors, Japanese dialogues, Japanese title in posters and so on. I guess this in one of the case when I would prefer to hear the majority of user's opinion. 

Hessa Volunteer Staff

No one said it was rejected because it did not air on Netflix. You can google the title and it would say British series, it doesn’t say it is co-produced with Japan. Having asian cast, doesn’t mean it is co-produced. Also, I’m talking about Skye deleting The Head, Haji/Giri was not approved for it to be deleted.

 emmagucci:

It's co-produced by BBC UK and Netfix. There are already a lot of Netflix series here. Just the fact that it premiered not on Netflix, doesn't make it less of a Netlfix series in my opinion, but I get it that since the director is British, people may deem it less Japanese despite the Japanese actors, Japanese dialogues, Japanese title in posters and so on. I guess this in one of the case when I would prefer to hear the majority of user's opinion. 

To semi quote an old american movie "The is not at a cheerocracy, it is a cheertatorship"

I think you can see what I mean from that, Skye and Ji-N have the final say and we are grateful for this awesome site they provded us with, in the end this is their baby and their money maker.  "Transparency " the new catch phrase for this generation, is not always a good thing, because someone will always be upset about something.  And I dont like Grey areas....only in my dramas.

 Hessa:
It was not wrongly approved. Co-produced content are allowed per rules, but the admin may delete them if they deem them too western. Even if users vote for a co-produced title, in the end, it is the admin’s decision to kerp or remove it, so users’ opinion would not matter just as it was deleted in this case.

So co-productions are allowed, but not allowed if they're not Asian enough? This exactly the kind of grey area situation I'm talking about. Either make rules clearly defined with no wiggle room or allow users to weigh in. It shouldn't purely be up to the opinion of one of two admins. And for all edits to ultimately be in the hands of two admins is also the issue I'm referring to. You admit that even if user opinion is in the opposite direction of the admins it doesn't matter. That's kind of scary.

It also raises the issue you brought up earlier about two users arguing over a series episode count. If they both disagree they could keep changing things back and forth. That same issue could arise with only having two admins. Either more admins should be added to keep each other in check or users should have more say in edits.

 Hessa:

No one said it was rejected because it did not air on Netflix. You can google the title and it would say British series, it doesn’t say it is co-produced. Having asian cast, doesn’t mean it is co-produced.

I've read on different headlines it's a co-production...Like since 2017. 

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@keebs777
It is their website, they do what they want. I am just grateful they made the website and this beautiful community. It is not for us to decided that they should add more admins. Admins here on MDL means owners, not mods. They can’t just add more owners to the website because you don’t agree with their opinion.

”You admit that even if user opinion is in the opposite direction of the admins it doesn't matter.”

I meant that even when users added The Head, admins deemed it not appropriate for MDL and deleted it. I did not mean it as they are evil dictators for you to be scared. In the end, it is their website and livelihood, they have control and they have done a great job improving it over the years.

@keebs777 you have a point , but we also need to prevent the system from being abused by people who spam even with multiple fake accounts or bots (even illegal websites, 18 + stuff, advertisement , links ect), so I think that automatic approval should still be a big no :/ 

And for all edits to ultimately be in the hands of two admins is also the issue I'm referring to. You admit that even if user opinion is in the opposite direction of the admins it doesn't matter.  

It is their site, so how is it scary, you dont walk into somone else house and tell them how to rearrage their furniture based for your preferrence.  The co production rules are pretty clear cut.  Not everything can be here No matter how Salty/Passive aggressive I can be I would never demand Admins allow me to re-add that title.  Ill just put it elsewhere lol.  

It is true that they own it, but without the contributors and people using it they would like... talk to themselves and use all their time to add all that huge amount of info, right? It's not like they HAVE to listen to the people they invite in "their house", but if they want to make the most of their guests feel comfortable, it is important to listen to their opinions. That's why they created the suggestions page in the first place and they can be voted , don't you think?