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In Kinnporshe there was grooming and there was most certainly a romantic relationship between a minor and an adult. The minor Barcode walked away because he felt used. The adult Jeff felt regret and sad when he lost that romantic relationship with a minor. I dont see anybody talking about that on Kinnporshe discussion board. And that was a controlling, manipulative, exploitive relationship - the fans shipped and are shipping

Its selective criticism and selective value judgments that I despise . Its the hypocrisy and double standards. I have a problem with that.

ABOUT THIS THIS DRAMA:
Was the student 13 yrs old and the tutor 22 yrs old when they started the relationship? Why are you lying to make a point?

I didnt say the relationship was necessarily appropriate. The relationship between tutor/student wasnt ideal for either but it offered a lifeline when they were both at a bad place in their life. Akira acknowledged the value of that relationship and the friendship.

Its possible that the tutor didn't want transparency because he wanted Akira to have a better chance at his new relationship or he felt guilty, or because he thought the relationship would not be viewed favourably by others. He may have felt the relationship was inappropriate as well.
Its a work of fiction and the point is to make us think, to look at the grey areas, to challenge us and to get us to debate these issues. That is another reason why I defend this drama and the relationship. I dont want to censor the creative process by imposing my moral judgments and dictating what stories are told. In most countries 16 is legal age. And I personally would rather date the tutor at 16 then some asshole my age who will scar me for life.

There is hypocrisy where the relationship with a minor is ignored in kinnporshce but this relationship in this drama is where they draw the line based on selective morals.

Why so triggered ???
My comment was about variety offered to all sorts of fans - you are the one deciding to take offense and to make a churlish and insulting comment about maturity.

Why is this show only number three in popularity for the "Top Airing Shows" for Thailand on MDL.

It has more watchers/viewers than the other two - "love you teacher" and "Forever you"

I cant seem to figure it out as there is no consistency between number of watchers and ratings score by fans.

Does anyone know how they order the top shows???

People have preferences so its nice to have a variety of bls that cater to the various levels of maturity, intelligence and sophistication. And shipping fans.

I know. - you just cant compare the two

Paedophilia refers to people being attracted to minors, ie before reaching puberty.
Its not a term you should throw around to justify your value judgements or morals.
DONT CHEAPEN THE WORD. There is a big difference between sexual attraction to a 8 yr old and a 16 year old and if you cant understand the difference please get some help from a psychologist.

Grooming is the intentional process of building trust, and dependence with a child or adult to manipulate, exploit, or abuse them. (I looked up the definition)

I dont think a relationship with the tutor was appropriate, but it wasn't abusive. The tutor was maybe a lifeline for Akira, and als willing to let Akira go when the right person came along. Personally if I was a tutor I would not cross that line.
BUT if I went back in time and was 16 and have my maturity, I would rather have a relationship with the tutor, than with someone my age who cheated, lied, abused and scarred me.

BUT again - its just fiction and the story is about entertainment and maybe expanding your horizon. Its not a lesson in morality.

Big shoutout to they hypocrisy of those who complain about AGE CONSENT here, but dont have a problem romanticising violence and gangsters in shows like KinnPorsche that has rape, kidnapping, violence. And they never never mention the age gap between the characters played by Jeff and Barcode who was a minor. Fans are still shipping that one.

EDIT
This is a work of fiction and while it entertains, another point is to challenge us to examine the grey areas, and make us think and debate these issues. That is another reason why I strongly defend this drama and the relationship. I dont want to censor the creative process of writers by imposing my moral judgments and dictating what stories can be told.

Agree. I like Pond but second set of couples are more interesting. .In both series the story improves.

Then maybe you dont think there is a big difference between the mental and physical development of an 8 yr old child v a 14 yr old that can biologically reproduce. One is statutory rape, and the other is an act of violence and rape and goes against physical biology and nature.

You may be tired of being told that paedophilia refers to prepubescent children but using that term to cover everyone that you disapprove off trivialises the actual crime of paedophilia.

Would you argue that a 14 year having sex with another 14 year old is the same as a 14 year old having sex with an 8 yr old.???? I mean, they are both minors legally speaking.

And in some countries the age of consent is 16 while in other countries like Germany or Italy the age of consent is 14 and suddenly its not paedophilia anymore.

At what age does it stop being paedophilia for you??? Do you follow the law?? Your judgment or subjective morals?

Edit; Edit; grooming is the intentional process of building trust, and dependence with a child or adult to manipulate, exploit, or abuse them. (I looked up the definition).
There is an age gap but grooming is not what happened here.



lol - I dare say that some people will be very disappointed if they watch it for the grooming and paedophilia that was promised.

Im not advocating for age gaps, but at 17 you are old enough to go to the army and learn to kill.

Personally I would chose a healthy loving relationship with an older man, than a man my age of 17 who is toxic and abusive.

Also too many here who are clutching pearls at the actions of fictional characters.

There is something about Taiwan bl dramas.
This was an enjoyable watch and story was interesting enough to hold my attention. There is great chemistry from both couples. I liked the way the romance developed from both leads.
My one criticism is that I found the fight scenes too obviously staged.

It deserves its high rating.

Edit; grooming is defined as the intentional process of building trust, and dependence with a child or adult to manipulate, exploit, or abuse them. (I looked up the definition).
There is an age gap in this story, but grooming is not how I would define this relationship.

I want to add that using the word "grooming" anytime you disapprove of something trivialises it. Child grooming and paedophilia are serious offences - but it may be just a joke to you.

My expectations from you are low.
I dont expect anything more than "lol" as a response. I know that's the best you can do.

Edit; grooming is the intentional process of building trust, and dependence with a child or adult to manipulate, exploit, or abuse them. (I looked up the definition).
There is an age gap in this story, but grooming is not what happened here.

ffs - its just fiction.

You know, there are worse things in life than a mature independent 17 year old being with an older partner. I would say that a relationship with violence, abuse, cheating, assault, kidnapping and torture are worse - but some may disagree as you do.
I would strongly argue that torture and rape is more of a problem, than a slight age gap in a healthy relationship.

Apparently you enjoyed and approved of the rape and torture in (KinnProshe) as you enjoyed and rated that highly - but you draw the line at a slight age difference.

Personally, I think rape and torture in a relationship is worse than a relationship with an age gap with a mature and independent seventeen year old that lives alone and holds a job.
But even then I also dont moralise that much about the relationships in KinnPorsche as its a work of fiction.

Im just not a f^cking hypocrite subjectively selecting principles. and lecturing what is right in works of fiction. Principles and morals are so subjective to some people like yourself.

Should have stopped at Part1.

Loved the first one. Maybe I should have watched the second one immediately after instead of letting a year go past. Im not enjoying the second part. I felt the first one had a good enough ending.

Its not paedophilia. By definition, paedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children. That is not the case here. Stick to the facts instead of using emotional language or hysteria to make your case.

Applying the term paedophilia here, is minimising the severity of that crime and trivialising it.
Are you saying having sex with an 8 yr old is the same as having sex with a 14 yr old? Then there is something wrong with you and your morals.

There are many reasons why legal definitions are precise - one being overly emotional people don't use terms as they see fit, to suit their subjective arguments.

Agree. I also think she is a natural - i dont think she got cosmetic surgery to change her appearance or features. Not that i am aware off.

Im not saying she hasnt had work done for aging - no one escapes that.

Agree, i also like these actors and their chemistry.

meaning?

Based on what is popular on MDL and the discussion boards, I had assumed that the audience was young and immature but I did some research and 51% of international (thai) bl audience is between 26-45yrs.

We laugh about middle age men chasing teenagers but here we have grown adult woman (80% audience) that have parasocial relationships with bl couples that can be 20 yrs younger.

in their defence the fan community is about 16 years old so they are all about couples and their parasocial relationships. Quality is not a consideration to them.

But If they are older then i cant offer any other defence than poor taste.