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i dont know if you are particularly dense but if you think that people dont vote on their favourite couple or aren't vested in their parasocial relationships, then why are you arguing desperately about Maniac and how its rated ?

Particularly in thai bl world its more about the popularity of the couple and the fans and not the quality of the drama. If you dont accept this then you are lying to yourself because you are proof of the fandom.

I do think that Maniac leads are very popular and that means they will get more favourable ratings, from obsessed fans, and maybe more unfavourable from haters - thats just a typical correlation.

Im discussing, analysing and offering an opinion on the two running shows - not based on actual facts but my observations. I don't know or care much which is more popular or more unpopular or which is being upvoted or downvoted.

I dont think the Edge of horizon would have been popular or compelling viewing if the leads were UGLY. i dont think if would have rated as well.

i dont believe i disparaged you viewpoint and subjective feelings. We are all entitled to our opinions but some are more honest.

You cant compare these bl drama productions to something HBO delivers with actors who trained for for many years on their craft, and production budgets running into millions just per episode.

For a moment, lets not kid ourselves - we are not here to watch them for their thespian art or the high production standards . Its more about the hot guys and a cute story.

I would have respected your opinion more if you said that you didnt like a particular bl because the guy is not as cute. Its honest and not pretentious.

But if you really watch all thai bls for the acting talent and rate them on that bases then i am really sorry and have nothing to add

Sometimes i wonder whats wrong with people

For somebody who professes to dislike gay dramas your certainly are a pervert for projecting a sexual relationship when none actually exists.
lol and even more so insisting its gay.

Do you hate to see people of the same sex together because you automatically imagine them rolling around naked and doing things to each other?

Like i said i didnt across any evidence of people voting anything up or down and im not part of the fan clubs and discussions. It does go both ways as you mentioned.

But I do guarantee that people vote for their favourite actors rather than quality of a drama in bls - thai particularly. It could be happening here as well as Maniac . i just brought up Maniac because the couple is so very popular - not to pick on them. PS And they are good looking.

Good for you.
For the most part, peoples opinions are rubbish - valuable only to themselves and their ego. Even mine.
Sometimes i come across something that adds value or amuses me but its rare. I value insight, analyses and discussions but that comes from those who are more sophisticated than the average bl fan who likes a drama because the actor is hot.

Opinions here from fans with varying degrees of parasocial relationships are devoid of discernment and intelligence, and something i dont care to place much value on.

But each to their own.

I dont know if people are voting it down. I do know that people on MDL especially for thal bls - inflate scores based on how they view the cps. You Maniac for example had over 10 written reviews all giving it a perfect 10 in all categories as the couple is very popular. Its going to do well even if it sucks. (Its not bad so far and i enjoyed it)

Ratings here on MDL dont reflect quality. Its subjective opinions.
i think an 8.1 is a good rating but the problem is that popular cps get given a perfect 10 scores which skews the results and makes an 8.1 look bad in comparison.

I do hope the show does well because its a better quality than most bls ( so far) and more importantly its NOT GMMTV. I want other companies to do well - we need competition. and diversity of stories, instead of having one company dominate and provide inferior dramas.

What a wonderful and silly explanation about how people on mdl vote. You have lofty ideals about the voting, here, and that it reflects the quality of a show.

Thai bl fans, vote first and foremost for their favourite bl couple. They have parasocial relationships. with cps and its kind of encouraged by the industry and fan service. Many people write review for a show after 1 episode and it a perfect 10 in all categories. You know those shows will have inflated ratings.


There were screenshots where certain fan clubs discussed creating accounts to rate a particular bl drama and to give poor reviews to other competing ones. (this was a discussion on reddit)

Another thing - mdl is not transparent about how they average the vote and the rating does not make mathematical sense based on underlying votes.

I guess you can argue that if you like the actor then you will like the show and that is fine to rate it high based on that, But at the end of the day ratings dont indicate the quality - just what viewers subjectively enjoy and which actors they support.

Yes because Thai bl actors are critically acclaimed for their acting skills. They produce Shakespeare level of acting having trained for years to master their craft in a theatre and with the best drama drama coaches . They are not just pretty faces picked off the streets.

We are not being pretentious when expect these standards in our actors at all.

You are not convinced?

Yes because Thai bl actors are critically acclaimed for their acting skills putting most thespians to shame. They were not just plucked off the street because of pretty face cards.

Again, bitch get over your self and stop being so fucking pretentious. If you wanted good acting you are not going to find it in bl dramas despite what the rabid fans of various bl couples tell you. A parasocial relationship does not mean the idol has talent.

And if you are going to be pretentious you should not bother watching thai bls.

Yes because bl Thai actors are critically acclaimed and world renowned for their acting skills. They produce Shakespeare level of acting having trained for years to master their craft in a theatre and with the best drama drama coaches .
The Stanislavski’s system for script analysis and Meisner’s technique for truthful, spontaneity stands out in their riveting performances.

They were not just plucked off the street because of pretty face cards.

Bitch get over your self and stop being so fucking pretentious.

Some cp fans are obsessed and get competitive -yes, its small minds and pathetic lives.

Agree. But im more bothered by the reviews after one episode professing its the best thing out.
If you go to other fan driven bl shows with popular couples eg You Maniac most reviews that have all given it a perfect 10 in all categories ie story, acting, production just after just 1 episode. Some fans even rate competing shows low to manipulate score.

Also MDL is not transparent how the ratings work and how the Total Rating average is calculated. I have seen shows where all categories are above an 8 but the final rating was 7.9 (Between Us), Those that dropped it had a lower score but the drop % was not be significant enough to drop it. With others there is the opp problem and why are they so high based on the breakdown.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KDramasWorld/comments/1vupryx/school_days_vs_now_photos_of_korean_actresses/

PMY picture is pasted in the comments. I cant believe its her. WHat do you think?

The two that looked very different was Han So Hee (who i think is stunning) and PMY.

Im trying to be fair to her.

I have and I dont remember much of it but i didnt notice it was her (i m not good with telling diff between lot of Korean actresses and Chinese male actors ). It was also one of the first kdramas i watched so long time ago. But I think she must have been good in that. I always think its good when you dont notice the actor because they become the character.

In her most recent roles Im always she is acting in them, I dont know if its her acting, her surgery/looks, or just the roles she accepts. I have watched 1 episode of Marry My Husband and i think she is okay in that

I am loving this. Finally found one a kdrama i can enjoy. It has captured my attention. The mood, the pace, the actors.

I have gone off kdramas and find them predictable and watch them at 2x speed. For some reason kdramas like making their female characters overdramatic and overact cure -which i find it annoying.

Its nice to find something that you find worth watching and entertaining.

In Korea it was legal to have sex with somebody 13 years old, BUT it doesn't make it morally right. (if he had had sex with her when she was 13, the police would not be able to prosecute him because it was the age of consent in 2020 and he did not break any laws).

You can do evil and be a horrid human being without doing anything LEGALLY WRONG.

His grooming of her when she was a minor, his relationship when she was decades younger, his disregard for her when she was vulnerable all point to a horrible human being. He also treated Sulli badly. He exploited young vulnerable woman

I and many others will not be changing our mind or supporting him. The law is irrelevant in this matter. We are judging his behaviour and human decency.

I dont have anything more to add over here or waste any more time debating this topic.

BUT you can do evil without doing anything LEGALLY WRONG.

His grooming of her when she was a minor, his relationship when she was decades younger, his disregard for her when she was vulnerable, point to a horrible human being.

I and many others will not be changing our mind or supporting him.

In Korea it was legal to have sex with somebody 13 years old but it doesn't make it right when you are in your 30s.

I made one response and defended it, and responded to you and others. But you are correct and I am not wasting anymore time on this issue. Will you continue to defend him here against everybody with an opinion contrary to the one you want them to have? Do you have a vested interests?

BUT you can do evil without doing anything LEGALLY WRONG. His grooming of her when she was a minor, his relationship when she was decades younger, his disregard for her when she was vulnerable, point to a horrible human being. I and many others will not be changing our mind or supporting him.

In Korea it was legal to have sex with somebody 13 years old but it doesn't make it right.
Fabricated evidence does not change the facts of innocence or guilty. That is not something the victim did who killed herself on his birthday. And neither does not having enough evidence to prosecute mean anything except they will not succeed in a court of law.

And of course i don't have evidence silly, i wasn't there - but were you?
Im not going to waste more time on this issue.

So far, im impressed.

remember that while the characters are not feminine, asian men have more youthful and feminine features ( find them more attractive then western males). Gay detectors would work LESS well in asia. But like you say they are conservative.

Another thing i found interesting (reddit discussion) is that some asian bl women fans are conservative and critical of homosexuality.

I have only been aware of bls existence for past two years now and its an interesting topic. Yep - bls are mainly for the female audience.