Vals Stor

Have you tried a search on Discord or Telegram groups? You may find something there. I dont know about telegram, but im in a group on discord for jap drama and stuff. Maybe there are groups for kdramas too

There are already some kdramas purely lgbtq and many more movies even decades earlier and with explicit content

Because the writer says so.
End of story

Sadly the overdone push n pull is a card thats played by a writer when he\she cant find other elements to built up the dynamics between lovers. Its the most common trap that can turn a story with potentials to cheap melo. (Talking in general but IMO happened in my dearest too) too much unnecessary tragedy.

I can talk but i dont want to as i clearly stated before. I have no intention to continue the conversation with you but you keep insisting. I dont want to convince you about anything and i dont need to be convinced either.
Also, why you keep ignoring my suggestions for the spoiler tag?
For god's sake you re in a public forum and many users dont wanna get spoiled.
Im telling you for the last time:
USE THE SPOILER TAG.
bye

Yes she didnt. because guess what HE DIED. lol Little does it matter if she were to have actual sex with him or not. The promise and manipulation itself by a young girl THOSE times, is disgusting as it is. Maybe it was because she was "family oriented" deep inside i dont know hahah
Well thats all from me really Pls if you continue writing no matter here or else in the comment section, PUT THE SPOILER TAG PLS.

I dont continue the conv im just going to answer you that maybe you didnt see it:
when she was talking to the chubby guy and ask him to marry her, then she asked him to protect her bf's fiance. At that point she said:
"when you come back from war we re gonna do what married people do"
and he left a bit shocked and happy.
You can rewatch the scene to confirm. She clearly promised sex for exchanging the protection of her crush. Dont forget the spoiler tag fgs

I like antiheroes as long as the writer doesn't try to convince me that i should excuse them for everything. This in literature and scriptwriting is called cheap melo. Im stopping here, the conv with you doesnt lead anywhere neither has anything to give to any of us. After all i dont like people who think that manipulation, exchanging favors for sex and murder are just incidents who are exaggerated by viewers. After all i already know that people who value life through "family values" can literally digest anything as i successfully predicted in my first answer to you. Have a nice drama watch

Yes nothing was debunked from my points. You ve got to live with that. I have no intention to continue arguing with you as i find that our conversation leads to nowhere. (about the chubby guy who's death was a very crucial moment to judge her character, see my edit on my previous comment. She never regretted sending him to death. Are you gonna digest that too? Probably yes. Its ok if you re fine with heroes murdering others, as long as you dont consider this as an "imperfection".lol
As for the ML im not on his side either for other reasons.
I had high expectations from that drama but its proven to be a cheap melo, copying relationship dynamics from others.
And please are you kind enough to answer under spoiler tag? Cause you re talking under comment of a person who just watched 2 episodes.
Thanks.

My arguments were never debunked-hence so many people are still finding hard to digest her character the way its shown. Not because she is "bad" but because the writer wants to feed the viewer by force about her "development" which has to do only with survival-not morality.
The chubby guy is not just "a chubby guy" is someone who was led to death in purpose. People in our times go to prison as abettors. Im fine with fictional stuff as long as they can convince me.
Sorry but the "chubby"guy incident makes the FL a murderer. Im not the one who wrote her character. Your complains to the writer.
And no, i wouldnt redeem a character because he/she follows a lover. I dont even give that much of importance to that decision. If she followed him she would be the same for me, because of all the previous facts.
That "all for the family" issue, is something that is going on in real life too, under the myth of "Family" everything can be whitewashed, crimes, abuse, bad behaviors, cheap morals etc. I wont argue with you any more, as i dont try to change anyone's mind, i just point out some things i find at least disturbing about the drama.

I ve got no problem even when pure bad heroes dont get any redemption and never change to be a better person. On the contrary, i find it more realistic. In fact i am more of an anti hero fan.
The only problem i have is when a writer tries to convince me that bad actions and cheap morality, is ok as long as you are a main hero or when trying to convince me that a person changed from bad to good with the excuse of "family orientation" when i never got to see any scene that proves a bit that this person has that family protection element on his/her character. I find it lame and usually happens in cheap to digest melodramas that make people cry for no reason

Is she a friend of yours? We re talking about a fictional character. No im not gonna consider her a good person when she also asked the ML to postpone the wedding of her bf with her fiance. Looks like you are the one who is stuck to defend a fictional character, not me. I have nothing to gain or lose if people like or dislike a fictional heroine.
"make people dislike is not really gonna work" lol
as if im her enemy in real life. Cm' on put your brains together. We re talking about a drama and yes my opinion about the certain character is that her whole development has to do only with the survival fact. Nothing more. Am i supposed to like her because she "got out of the way" and "was not taken seriously"? hahahahhaahah The person is pure trash. And she remained that way, marrying the guy who-with his comrade-suggested her to take the death enemy's path when in the woods. As for your last sentence, yes its lousy writing from the writer. She tried to show a character as family oriented at the last minute, but she forgot to show for 10 whole episodes, even 1 sec of the same character have any interaction with her family that shows care and affection.
Btw, you didnt say anything about that chubby guy that she lead to death on purpose, promising sex. Is that a simple imperfection for a heroine for a romance drama? Bad boys/girls are very good in dramas, im also an antihero fan. But only when the writer doesnt try to convince me that their bad actions are ok as long as they are the mains. No, to lead someone to death so to protect your illegal (morally) crush, has no redemption just because later on you tried to survive. its very lousy writing and shows that you want an audience ready to digest everything cause of a mere melo story.
So you ve got your opinion i ve got mine and thats the end.

I dont wanna spoil other things for you, after all many people like her and same many dont.
Its too early for you to form an opinion, better watch more episodes and discuss it later when you ll have the big picture

Isnt she pursuing her bf's fiance on ep 2? Cant remember if its shown i think it is clear from the beginning that the guy is taken by her bf. Never mind about the other guy i mentioned, he doesnt play any crucial role for the plot, you wont miss anything by the spoiler. I wont reveal you anything more-i actually thought you were already in a later episode

Well, the scene shows him clearly following his guys. He followed the girls and did nothing? The only one fighting alone the qings was the ML. If the official was somewhere near he would help him but no. What will you find out later? The story moved on it wont show any other details of that moment

She doesnt hurt the people who didnt gossip or little her?
She is pursuing her only best friend's fiance for years and in front of her own eyes. And she led to death deliberately an innocent guy, lying to him by promising to marry him and even promising sex before marriage so that he will protect her crush during battle.
What more of hurt should she do to be considered as trash?

ehm he followed his comrades directly i just saw the scene-not the girls. He wouldnt propose such thing but he accepted it just fine.

Did he do anything to stop those women from certain death? i just rewatched the scene. He was right beside the bad guy who made the suggestion, he didnt even blink his eyes.
Doesnt look that decent...to send a bunch of women to certain death just to save your as@

Not at all. Its purely fictional. That's why during the narration it says that in that certain village men and women were living more freely and were able to have some kind of relationship before getting married. Just another nonsense element thats all.

Isnt that official, the guy that when in the island he suggested the girls to take the dangerous path so that he gains time for his soldiers?