No but really, im glad they touched on the fact that a lot of older queer representation portrayed queerness as intrinsically associated with misery and misfortune. I like how they showed a realistic portrayal of Eiw trying to understand the prejudice toward queer people and how much that affected his own perception of hismself
I love how complex his character is, and in the second season, i cant wait to see him grow and sustain his relationship with Pete healthily, or see what kind of struggles get in the way of that
Quite frankly, I don't think Shin really even loves Minato. To me, it feels more like a child admiration turned…
I think whilst youâre right in saying that Shin didnât have full-blown romantic feelings for Minato when they first met, I think that the moment was memorable enough for him to keep him in his mind, and so when they met again, I feel like itâs more so an opportunity for Shin to spend more time with Minato to be able to actually love him. Itâs what Shin implies, that he was given a chance, not just to get closer to him, but also to understand his own feelings better (thatâs how I interpret it at least,) but Iâll admit itâs still ambiguous and questionable for this point.
For the next idea you presented, about how there are few scenes in which we see Shin develop feelings for Minato, I think that by showing them hanging out, having dinner and stuff like that is what gets Shin to develop deeper feelings for Minato. Sure, there isnât a clear-cut reason for why he does like Minato (like how in some series, the cliche is that a character sees another character rescuing a cat or smth which makes them intrigued, showing that itâs their warmth attracted them to that person).
However, I donât think itâs necessary for there to be a clear reason, because oftentimes, exposure to someone is what allows people to love, especially when one already has a positive impression about someone. Shin is first curious about Minato (oh heâs back in this hometown, why is that? Whatâs the reason heâs taking over this laundromat, how is he so welcoming yet so silly? Etc). Then this transforms into care and affection as he gets to see Minato joke around with him, blush and get shy, all those sides that make him likeable and cute in Shinâs eyes. I mean, Minato is friendly, goofy, endearing, fun to tease and to bicker with. Sure, it would have been nice to have more scene where they talk more about serious topics but you can see the gradual attachment they form for one another.
I disagree the most with your last point to be honest. Itâs very possible that Shin has an abandonment issue, but if that was true, there would be more signs to indicate that. For example, that it would negatively affect other areas in his life, because thatâs the problem with those kinds of issues: they tend to be damaging and lead to self-destructive behaviour, and thatâs why itâs unhealthy, especially for a romantic relationship. But you see that on the contrary, Shin gets great results on his exams after the rejection, showing that even without Minato, he can go on about his life without issues. And the only reason why it was affecting his grades before, wasnât because he was obsessed with Minato in general (which would then continue if they were to date), but because he was anxious about having to make a decision for his future, not knowing what to decide on because he needed Minatoâs answer before moving on. It also shows, that if rejected, he would probably go to Tokyo and live independently, because heâd have no reason to stay. Proving that heâs not dependent on Minato.
You also need to consider tone and nuance. When Shin is rejected, he looks extremely sad about it but not agitated. What this means is that there isnât a deep-seated worry coming from him about needing to be in Minatoâs presence. Heâs sad because his feelings werenât reciprocated but his lack of anger and frustration shows that on the other hand, he can accept that. He can accept that Minato canât be with him romantically, can accept that he will eventually need to go on about his life, without him. If he had an abandonment issue, he would be a lot more desperate, and therefore we would see agitation, anxiety or worry in him, especially when telling Minato about wanting to help him find his happiness. On the contrary, heâs quite calm about it, and gentle. Heâs just expressing his inner wish to see Minato happy, without expecting anything in return, not even Minatoâs company. So thatâs why, if he can, heâd like to help with that. It may also be a way for him to process this rejection better, but you can tell from his mannerisms and facial expressions that this isnât a desperate attempt at staying by his side, rather it feels more like a farewell.
About the age gap, there is always that risk of course, and I understand where youâre coming from. I tend to be quite sceptical about that myself. Though, I think that the biggest issue that a relationship with an age gap can have is a power imbalance, and thatâs something that isnât present in theirs at all, in my view. the two treat each other as equals, as though they were the same age, and it truly feels like it. As for whether if Shin actually feels love, I feel inclined to say yes (though of course they could have developed this better) because they didnât keep in contact after he was first saved, and they didnât know each other before either. Basically they have no further connection apart from that. Had Minato stayed around and watched Shin grow up, then I could easily say that, well, Shin may be confusing affection to an older and kind âbrotherâ for love, and then it would be more questionable if Minato was developing feelings since he could have influenced him. Since that isnât the case, it feels more like a love that was nurtured in the present moment, that was possible because Shin wanted to know more about him due their incidental first meeting.
Those are my thoughts on it, thank you for your previous answer, I appreciate your take :)
I must be very selfish.Or not really in love This, I can't even understand.đ„ș
I canât really judge the kind of love youâre experiencing, but even if what youâre feeling isnât unconditional love, then more than selfish, it just makes you human :)
Quite frankly, I don't think Shin really even loves Minato. To me, it feels more like a child admiration turned…
I get where youâre coming from tbh, I think the fact that they added that fantasy element of Shin liking Minato ever since he was a child, makes it harder to decipher especially since the writing doesnât really develop what made him develop such feelings properly. Technically he only feels that way for Minato because he was saved by him from drowning. Psychologically, if we dumb it down to that, youâd be right in saying that it isnât love, just something that ressembles the Suspension Bridge Effect (confusing love with the excitement/nervousness of a dangerous situation).
Given that this is fiction, however, we see in the present time, that Shin has a lot of affection for Minato, cares about Minatoâs feelings and is clear and communicative about his feelings. Whilst he can be a bit pushy, he isnât forceful either. Every time, he seeks Minatoâs permission first such as when he asked if he can start courting Minato and then backing off when Minato tells him that he cannot return his feelings. Based on his own words, as well, with how he says that he will love Minato by himself if need be, without getting in Minatoâs way, and helping Minato achieve happiness, I still feel like the label âunconditional loveâ is very suitable to him. Idk what you think
To me, Shin really represents unconditonal love or at least, pure love. He loves Minato without expecting or needing his feelings to be returned. He loves Minato to the extent where he not only is willing to let go of him for his sake but even encourages and wants to help Minato find his own happiness. Even if that means helping Minato date someone else. That is true love, in my view, when you are able to love the person as they are, and feel happiness for their happiness :
I read your comment with interest. I agree with some of your views and disagree with some of them, but let me…
Haha I see what you mean, I appreciate your comments again <3. I think some people arenât so used to sharing their opinions on stuff like this so theyâre also not as used to hearing different arguments, so it can throw them off a bit. But of course, itâs important to stay respectful and listen to what others have to say. Doing so can even strengthen oneâs own arguments or give it more depth. Other than that it can offer a new perspective or sometimes even change our mind which can be wonderful in some ways too.
No problem at all, your English is excellent, I wouldnât have been able to tell that itâs not your first language (what is your native language by the way, if I may ask, out of curiosity?).
Yes I think so too! Or if it is intentional they may view it differently too. Itâs still quite ambiguous in that way.
About the last point, I donât really agree because of the way theyâve marketed the series. The trailer, for example, emphasises the idea of showing the reality of a BL actorâs life and the issues that come with that (of course with some fictional elements too). I think if it wasnât aiming to criticise some aspects of the industry, it would just focus on the individual characters which just happen to be BL actors. So weâd see more of the characters in their personal life, outside etc without showing the problems within like with the managers and producers. Instead, they would avoid showing the people from the industry or they would portray them with a lot less distinction, with a more neutral or even a positive lens. But instead it vividly showcases life at work. So in my view their intentions are about offering a critical perspective to some degree.
gurl, first â€ïžthen, wow what an analysis!!! Always a great read :)While I fell in love with BLs and love the…
Ohh youâre also a manga reader? Thatâs so neat, what sorts of stuff have you read recently? And yep it can be.
Exactly, it was such an easy way out but perhaps something else will happen later down the line that will make Pan realise how he has behaved toward Nott, and learns to be kinder and more aware of his actions (at least I hope).
Yes, I think so too actually! I thought it would be a lot more light-hearted so this is pleasantly surprising in some ways
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No but really, im glad they touched on the fact that a lot of older queer representation portrayed queerness as intrinsically associated with misery and misfortune. I like how they showed a realistic portrayal of Eiw trying to understand the prejudice toward queer people and how much that affected his own perception of hismself
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had to make an edit of it ofc ^^
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I love how complex his character is, and in the second season, i cant wait to see him grow and sustain his relationship with Pete healthily, or see what kind of struggles get in the way of that
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Tried not to make Sean's fall look too funny
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For the next idea you presented, about how there are few scenes in which we see Shin develop feelings for Minato, I think that by showing them hanging out, having dinner and stuff like that is what gets Shin to develop deeper feelings for Minato. Sure, there isnât a clear-cut reason for why he does like Minato (like how in some series, the cliche is that a character sees another character rescuing a cat or smth which makes them intrigued, showing that itâs their warmth attracted them to that person).
However, I donât think itâs necessary for there to be a clear reason, because oftentimes, exposure to someone is what allows people to love, especially when one already has a positive impression about someone. Shin is first curious about Minato (oh heâs back in this hometown, why is that? Whatâs the reason heâs taking over this laundromat, how is he so welcoming yet so silly? Etc). Then this transforms into care and affection as he gets to see Minato joke around with him, blush and get shy, all those sides that make him likeable and cute in Shinâs eyes. I mean, Minato is friendly, goofy, endearing, fun to tease and to bicker with. Sure, it would have been nice to have more scene where they talk more about serious topics but you can see the gradual attachment they form for one another.
I disagree the most with your last point to be honest. Itâs very possible that Shin has an abandonment issue, but if that was true, there would be more signs to indicate that. For example, that it would negatively affect other areas in his life, because thatâs the problem with those kinds of issues: they tend to be damaging and lead to self-destructive behaviour, and thatâs why itâs unhealthy, especially for a romantic relationship. But you see that on the contrary, Shin gets great results on his exams after the rejection, showing that even without Minato, he can go on about his life without issues. And the only reason why it was affecting his grades before, wasnât because he was obsessed with Minato in general (which would then continue if they were to date), but because he was anxious about having to make a decision for his future, not knowing what to decide on because he needed Minatoâs answer before moving on. It also shows, that if rejected, he would probably go to Tokyo and live independently, because heâd have no reason to stay. Proving that heâs not dependent on Minato.
You also need to consider tone and nuance. When Shin is rejected, he looks extremely sad about it but not agitated. What this means is that there isnât a deep-seated worry coming from him about needing to be in Minatoâs presence. Heâs sad because his feelings werenât reciprocated but his lack of anger and frustration shows that on the other hand, he can accept that. He can accept that Minato canât be with him romantically, can accept that he will eventually need to go on about his life, without him. If he had an abandonment issue, he would be a lot more desperate, and therefore we would see agitation, anxiety or worry in him, especially when telling Minato about wanting to help him find his happiness. On the contrary, heâs quite calm about it, and gentle. Heâs just expressing his inner wish to see Minato happy, without expecting anything in return, not even Minatoâs company. So thatâs why, if he can, heâd like to help with that. It may also be a way for him to process this rejection better, but you can tell from his mannerisms and facial expressions that this isnât a desperate attempt at staying by his side, rather it feels more like a farewell.
About the age gap, there is always that risk of course, and I understand where youâre coming from. I tend to be quite sceptical about that myself. Though, I think that the biggest issue that a relationship with an age gap can have is a power imbalance, and thatâs something that isnât present in theirs at all, in my view. the two treat each other as equals, as though they were the same age, and it truly feels like it. As for whether if Shin actually feels love, I feel inclined to say yes (though of course they could have developed this better) because they didnât keep in contact after he was first saved, and they didnât know each other before either. Basically they have no further connection apart from that. Had Minato stayed around and watched Shin grow up, then I could easily say that, well, Shin may be confusing affection to an older and kind âbrotherâ for love, and then it would be more questionable if Minato was developing feelings since he could have influenced him. Since that isnât the case, it feels more like a love that was nurtured in the present moment, that was possible because Shin wanted to know more about him due their incidental first meeting.
Those are my thoughts on it, thank you for your previous answer, I appreciate your take :)
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Given that this is fiction, however, we see in the present time, that Shin has a lot of affection for Minato, cares about Minatoâs feelings and is clear and communicative about his feelings. Whilst he can be a bit pushy, he isnât forceful either. Every time, he seeks Minatoâs permission first such as when he asked if he can start courting Minato and then backing off when Minato tells him that he cannot return his feelings. Based on his own words, as well, with how he says that he will love Minato by himself if need be, without getting in Minatoâs way, and helping Minato achieve happiness, I still feel like the label âunconditional loveâ is very suitable to him. Idk what you think
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That is what Shin symbolizes in my opinion (like i put in this edit ^^)
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I included Akk in there đ
No problem at all, your English is excellent, I wouldnât have been able to tell that itâs not your first language (what is your native language by the way, if I may ask, out of curiosity?).
Yes I think so too! Or if it is intentional they may view it differently too. Itâs still quite ambiguous in that way.
About the last point, I donât really agree because of the way theyâve marketed the series. The trailer, for example, emphasises the idea of showing the reality of a BL actorâs life and the issues that come with that (of course with some fictional elements too). I think if it wasnât aiming to criticise some aspects of the industry, it would just focus on the individual characters which just happen to be BL actors. So weâd see more of the characters in their personal life, outside etc without showing the problems within like with the managers and producers. Instead, they would avoid showing the people from the industry or they would portray them with a lot less distinction, with a more neutral or even a positive lens. But instead it vividly showcases life at work. So in my view their intentions are about offering a critical perspective to some degree.
Exactly, it was such an easy way out but perhaps something else will happen later down the line that will make Pan realise how he has behaved toward Nott, and learns to be kinder and more aware of his actions (at least I hope).
Yes, I think so too actually! I thought it would be a lot more light-hearted so this is pleasantly surprising in some ways