Amaryllis_Flower

I don't think the series is romanticizing their relationship at all. They're showing it for the abuse that it is.

And what I said previously about promoting violence against women was the assertion of one poster who said that women like rough sex. It had nothing to do with this series.

Speak for yourself. That attitude perpetuates violence against women. Boo.

Poor boy is going to give himself a hernia.

You go Susie.

That's a huge stretch. And amaryllis is a flower, it's never referred to as Mary.

So nobody in this group outside of me and one other person has ever actually spent a significant amount of time researching BDSM or Christmas flowers. Gotcha.

All you've got is a bunch of wishful thinking because you don't want to see what's patently obvious.

Not all elements of the book are being incorporated in the series. That's one reason why I refused to read it before watching the series.

Someone else in these threads said the whole sex slave angle wasn't included in the book but I can't verify that since I haven't read it.

You must be missing something. Someone else here said the same thing. They're too many threads here for me to go and find it.

So I went back to the scene where Ramil pulls Paytai out of the art class.

I carefully looked at all of his expressions when Ramil shoved him against the pole at the university and after they got into the car

The only expressions I saw were terror, sadness, moisture on his face from crying, and contrition for his "bad behavior". And if you're saying he was happy about getting beaten then I don't know what to say to you.

Terror doesn't look like smiling. Sadness and contrition doesn't look like ecstasy. A person who wants to be a sub doesn't act like that.

I don't think anybody in this group save for one person I spoke to has ever read a book on BDSM or been involved in the lifestyle.

And if you're going to call me Mary I will start calling you Susie.

The writers should have read a few books on BDSM and spoken to some people in the lifestyle. Because if that is their intent for the end they are sure going about it the wrong way.

Oh and PS. The scene with the scarf was from the old pilot. That was shot before NuNew even dyed his hair and those scenes so far haven't been in the series. I don't believe any of that content will be in the series.

At 28:53 Ramil drags Paytai out of Charan's studio and shoves him against a pole. He looks scared and he looks like he was crying. Ramil says does Paytai know what his duties are and who he belongs to. Paytai replies in the affirmative and says but there isn't a rule that he can't study art. Ramil says he can't because Charan works for the Assavadevathins, threatens him to stay away from them unless he wants trouble.

At 30:07 Paytai is in the car putting on the emergency dog collar looking very sad. As he hands Ramil the end of the leash he says I'm fully aware of who I belong to. Looks very contrite. Says he knows he's acted inappropriately and asks Ramil to punish him.

Ramil then pulls him by the dog collar leash and tells him you are mine. Paytai's face is all wet and looks like he's been crying. He nods his head in response looking really sad.

Then Ramil kisses him and grabs his thigh. And that's the end of the scene.

I don't know where you saw any smiling or anything at all that indicated that Paytai was happy about any of this.

BDSM involves getting dominated or being dominant for each of your personal pleasure. You consent to the activity. You won't cower and cry when you're getting beaten, or wearing a collar if it gets you off.

Paytai is Ramil's whipping boy, someone procured by his father to be punished instead of the prince. So when Ramil misbehaves Paytai gets punished for it.

Ramil and Paytai seem to have some kind of sexual relationship as well. But Ramil dominates him and Paytai doesn't have a choice in the matter.

This is not like a normal BDSM relationship where a sub or slave agrees to be one. There is no consent here.

It's definitely non-consensual. Paytai is a whipping boy and that role never involves consent.

How can anyone not love Chakri. They need to give him more royal duties so he can follow Khanin 24/7. 🙂

Paytai.

Can't get past the making Ian Yi a horrible human being. He's often a second male lead and one who doesn't get the girl but he's never been evil before.

I'm only a little more than halfway through but this is really ruining it for me.

Noble doesn't necessarily mean rich. There are a lot of impoverished nobles.

My mother-in-law was actually from an impoverished royalty connected family from Estonia. When she came to the US she married a man who was decidedly not noble or rich and lived a life she hated. But that's the story for another time. At least he didn't beat her.

Noble Family fits in with the historic scenario for whipping boy.

Oh, you're just recommending a series about it. Gotcha.

If he has no choice it is not BDSM. Consent is imperative.