Amaryllis_Flower

He doesn't have a credit but if it's mentioned in his Instagram he might have a cameo that didn't even rate being listed as a guest.

Very few can. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think it was the coach that he picked when Chakri presented him with the choices.

Nope. You don't have to agree with me. But there's logic and there's opinion that isn't based on logic. The latter seems to comprise most of the comments here anyway, so welcome to the group.

I have no idea what the writers intend. In this one area they don't seem to have really thought through.

But if you look at it logically, how whipping boys are attained and at what age, there is no room for a gray area.

Kids put into abusive situations are groomed to accept them. Very few will ever try to escape. So the logic is that Paytai was groomed as a child and therefore has no ability to consent as an adult.

But the discussion isn't about whether we have an emotional connection to the well-being of the characters in TNP.

The only subject up for discussion is whether or not we can reasonably say that this was BDSM as opposed to abuse. And it's pretty clear from many angles that this is abuse and not consensual sexual nor lifestyle behavior

First of all "toxic/questionable BDSM Dynamics" is not BDSM at all it's abuse.

Secondly I haven't brought up the grooming aspect of all of this before and I should have.

Paytai has been brought up with Ramil since he was a little kid and they were educated together. This is no different than being brought up in a fundamentalist Mormon cult and sent off to be one of dozens of wives to an old man.

When you are brought up like this you obey to survive. It's called Stockholm Syndrome.

When the Warren Jeff's compound was raided he had almost 80 wives and only a few ever escaped. So yes some people do leave under great peril but it is more common to either try to adjust or cower and try to survive. It does not mean they consented.

That's why I brought up lifestyle BDSM known as total power exchange. I actually spent a year corresponding with someone who wrote the seminal book on it.

Even he said abuse is much more common in this extreme lifestyle of which he was a participant. He said he harbored many women who escaped the situation for their personal safety.

Getting back to TNP Paytai is a whipping boy and was brought up and educated along with Ramil since he was little kid.

There wasn't any opportunity for him to consent. I think we can agree that a little kid can't consent to anything,

So here he is as an adult performing his function as a person to get beaten when Ramil misbehaves. Looks like physical abuse to me (and emotional abuse to Ramil).

This kind of upbringing didn't exactly make Ramil into a mentally healthy human, He exerts physical control over Paytai to get him to acquiesce to his desires.

If he wasn't a total slave he would be allowed some autonomy in some corner of his life and all we've seen is him having no choices, looking really unhappy and terrified, even in the sexual part of their relationship. So on planet Earth that constitutes abuse to me.

Edit. And I forgot to add the whole grooming aspect of the situation. He isn't much different than a Warren Jeff's bride who was brought up in the lifestyle and foisted on an old man at the age of 12. When you are brought up in the abuse you no longer have the ability to consent. It's the equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.

There was a huge amount of violence against Paytai. If it was BDSM and there was consent (even non-verbal consent) he would have been happy about getting beaten, he wouldn't have been overridden about his choice to attend an art class. He wouldn't have gotten thrown into a pole and look terrified. Even in the car with the collar he looked terrified. And his face was wet from crying both of those times.

Most BDSM is not lifestyle but even where it is the slave has the option to leave. From what we can see Paytai has no autonomy, and if the writers are trying to make this into a situation later on where he does, they're going about it completely the wrong way.

I can forgive inaccuracies in most things but not in this especially when it can't be construed as anything else but abuse.

And FWIW, I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms. I don't even care if a couple walks down the street while one wears a dog collar. It's not for me but I don't judge as long as they are not being forced. No pearl clutching was involved here or needed.

I agree.

Anti fans have it in for Zee. There was also a controversy with Saint who was his partner in Why R U? And anytime he has a modeling gig with a woman he has to be having an affair with her. In fact anytime he's in the same room with a woman . . .

I am not a shipper of Zee and NuNew, and frankly I don't care what he does in his personal life as long as it's not criminal.

There was no BDSM in this series only abuse. BDSM requires consent.

Looking at a couple in bed using a scarf to cover one of their eyes is BDSM. What we saw in the series was not.

None of the scenes in the trailer are part of the series. They were just made to interest investors so they could actually start filming the series.

As far as anything else goes people here are allowed to say anything they want about the series. It helps if the contributors have actually seen the series but otherwise anything goes.

And not liking one element of a series doesn't mean that you don't like it as a whole.

Anyone can have an opinion, no one has to fast forward or skip watching it, and we are allowed to be at least as annoying as you are being right now.

Zee played a rapist In a TV series called Remember 15 back in 2022. And apparently some anti-fan or anti-fans made accusations that he was a sexual deviant in his real life.

So Mandee issued a press release and had at least some of the accounts shut down, which is like trying to fill gopher holes. They will just dig another one.

Anyway here's a link to a Reddit discussion about the subject and also a copy of the Mande press release.

You can also find more about the subject if you look at The review for Remember 15 under Zee's profile here.

Needless to say all of these allegations are false and completely mean. If anything Zee is a pretty introverted guy who either works or spends time with his family. I've got no idea why he is a subject of so much undeserved hate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Domundi/comments/1kz0b6k/mandee_statement_on_accounts_disparaging_zee/

I don't think the series is romanticizing their relationship at all. They're showing it for the abuse that it is.

And what I said previously about promoting violence against women was the assertion of one poster who said that women like rough sex. It had nothing to do with this series.

Speak for yourself. That attitude perpetuates violence against women. Boo.

Poor boy is going to give himself a hernia.

You go Susie.

That's a huge stretch. And amaryllis is a flower, it's never referred to as Mary.

So nobody in this group outside of me and one other person has ever actually spent a significant amount of time researching BDSM or Christmas flowers. Gotcha.

All you've got is a bunch of wishful thinking because you don't want to see what's patently obvious.

Not all elements of the book are being incorporated in the series. That's one reason why I refused to read it before watching the series.

Someone else in these threads said the whole sex slave angle wasn't included in the book but I can't verify that since I haven't read it.