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Lol, baby voiced FL is very bad. I can’t. Not even kidding.

Eh wait, just want to clarify that I agree on all the examples you have provided, but I also realised to govern a 1.4 billion population is only wot most people can imagine but have no real idea wot it really entails. But yes, wot you’ve said so far is true,… but to be very fair is also reserved for a developed cluster of humans developing/moving forward at a similar progress.

My friend….. did well. The grudge was a lot stronger when we were younger…. Haha, yea, she used to disappear in the first year coz she literally would be in a different university on various days. It’s not just a different campus or building. Those were the days.. ummm… I would say because the path and major being soooo drastic… that… I don’t know, it has been so many yrs now. And we’ve spoken about it, there are basically no regrets on giving up on the fashion design undergrad. BUT she is more like a Su Mo. So finally she started her own fashion business (with her own money earned from corporate)… in 2018… unfortunately it was CoVid… so she made the painful decision to close it last year…. and continue with her corporate job. Would say…. It is the path….. half-taken. For a best friend like me, I.e kinda the ‘outsider’….. yea, it was a true crossroad. She is both analytical and artistic..,. And even if I gave it a numerical score, she is really a half and half in terms of talent in both, which is kinda rare. I still think she shouldn’t have closed her business, which is wot I told her last yr but….. sighs…. Like we talked about. In life there is no guarantee I.e there are so many unforeseen circumstances…. She was adamant.

LOL. I feel the 20s is a double edged sword. The plot is only realistic coz she is 27. Sorry but I would have been dissing the FL as REALLY dumb if she was like 35. It would have been majorly childish and ignorant. Haha!! So you also have an opinion on ZYQ playing a 27 yr old. 🤣🤣🤣 honestly I’m neutral, though in this drama’s case I understand. ZYQ isn’t old looking but naturally she does look very matured though… she’s kinda the Gong Li and sensual type. So totally wrong casting.

Ah ok, I’d ask you again once it finishes airing. I’m not a fan of anyone there. Neutral. Don’t hate/dislike anyone either. I’m just in for a good production and screenwriting.

Haha, I’m unafraid to admit I still do tropey until today. 😝 selectively…

‘ this is why govts want to control what can be shown n what not.’ —> oh yea, for sure… hence why I think for certain countries censorship is necessary. It really differs for every country… just like most things in life. Because to begin with even the general adults have vast differences in maturity, education, IQ and EQ levels.

Ah yea, my best friend gave up her fashion design undergrad to pursue Mathematics with me…. And that was when I met her…. When she was ‘rebelling’ against her father specifically… now that we are both older…. We kinda both realised “ah…. Right, that’s why he did that”…. And we also still maintain moments of… “ah….. we would totally still do that differently…”

Haha, it’s not that… it’s more of Zhang Yu Qi playing a 27-year old, 9 out of 10 times in C-drama world…. There is a BIGGGGGG issue when an actress plays someone who is much younger than her real age. It becomes amplified when it’s against a younger ML. So for this case it is already considered cordial, lol. To be fair, I also think for some reason the C-dramaland’s makeup, hair and wardrobe doesn’t do any of it justice….. neither does the lighting nor colour gradient…. So either the viewers are totally independent from K-dramaland… which could be partially possible….. or yes, it’s probably because of the factors I mentioned above coz these issues aren’t much of an issue in K-dramas. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ and also just visually, it somehow isn’t as apparent in K-dramas. Over here actually I didn’t think it was as bad as wot a lot of the MDL members mentioned though…. I mean…. Yeaaaaa ok… if you really analyse her on-screen.

Oooo…. Feedback plz on The Longest Promise. I was a goody-two-shoes and totally refrained from it, coz waiting for it to finish airing. How has it been so far?

Haha, totally agree. Honestly it is truly only from these couple of years that I really understood the whole meaning behind books. So I realised actually selected TV/movie stuff are like selected books. I wonder why my parents never talked to me about this when I was younger, everyone only talked about the importance of reading. Lol. But they never talked about wot to read…. (Well at least they never did to me, maybe they expected it to be common sense…. My senses aren’t that common I spse… 🤣)

Hurm, but to be fair… I think a lot of the progression is also railroaded by women themselves. This is also something I’ve came to realise recently… just coz of the new-age concept of ‘ 媽寶 ’ in Mainland and also just talking in real depth about the Philippino culture to a native female…. On why men and women are how they are in Philippines, causing so many longstanding societal issues. It almost is kinda embedded into their DNA.

‘“And she is proud that she is so hard working and can multi-task without realizing how wrong it is. “ —> I am guilty of this… 🤦🏻‍♀️🙋🏼‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️ So, many things will require time and education to change, I mean it totally makes sense for something that has been going on for generations to equally take at least half the time for change, esp when it’s cultural, mentality, perception…etc. It took me a lonnnngg time to realise it myself, but fortunately I did…. Albeit slightly late but still better than never.

SAME!! Sighs, why did I fall into the trap of not waiting again,…. Baddd moveeee. It still needs to be stretched out for so long. Seriously normally if it’s a low or mid-budget kinda drama I’d be able to put it on pause, but this really caught me by surprise given how most people hated the first 15 eps. Lol. And subsequently the low rating… I thought it was going to be just a casual entertaining watch! Cliched, tropey, eye-candy kinda thing…. 🙄

Oh yes, for sure. Which made me realise visiting as a tourist is a very very different thing.

🤣🤣🤣 ok. So you deduced I’m male. Based on this, I’m going to deduce you are probably kinda young.😝 lol, it’s cute.

But that is so double-standard…. isn’t Wang Ju A quite the entitled prick too….

Still maintain that I don’t think she did anything wrong. Whether Su Mo and the ML solving their issues is a separate thing….

But growing up with someone…. Is that only butterflies…..? Is it truly on a whim….? No it’s not, it basically is like first love…. for the YiTing person. She also comes from a good family and has something accomplished in her life…. So I’m just deducing that she draws the line at him being still technically single. Plus, she is still young. A person at 15,25, and 35-yrs old for both men AND women, just would do very different things at different stages of life.

So yessss! I totally respect her! My life experiences are completely different from her. I never had someone who is my childhood sweetheart who I was obsessed for decades… even going to the extent of not having a bf…., I mean, no… I never had that kind of dedication, so yes, I respect it because to me it is akin to having an ambition of being a CEO.

Yeap, everyone has their freedom to do or say anything. But only the people who are bounded and grounded by responsibilities have the right to decide and equally should bear most of the consequences…. WHICH is exactly wot ML told YiTing in words and also actions in the half-drunken stupor. He told her, “who I think is worthy only counts when I say it counts…. Not decided by someone else”…

Just thinking about it from a logical (and equally realistic) standpoint.. woteva that forms a wedge… be it a person or an object or a subject… is not the wedge’s fault, at the end of the day it is down to the two people in a relationship. Unless the wedge has really crossed the line, like murdering someone, causing bankruptcy, arson.. etc. that’s a different story.

In this case, Su Mo never came clean to ML even after multiple threats from LiTing. Which I do question why. I mean I have an ego too, and I don’t really want to portray a ‘gf who whines about everything’ BUT… she has done it multiple times, and if I had half a brain…. I would have recorded a few incidents and showed the ML to tell him to deal with it or I’m saying goodbye to you. For the ML, yes, interests esp money and power is all so tempting to everyone in general…. But the lack of awareness is just epic fail. Esp given how your gf has already logically and factually presented all the issues…..

So the big question then becomes…. Isn’t it easier to blame a 3rd party other than the 2 people who really matter….? Yea, I do think so. It ‘s always easier to paint someone else as the villain… as long as it isn’t myself, the person I chose or people I’m close to.

Btw, don’t get me wrong. I don’t like YiTing too. lol. And if I have to work with her I probably need to strangle myself. However, in many ways…. I’m probably in-line with Su Mo. As much as I don’t like it that someone has threatened me for no apparent reason aside from jealousy and it’s annoying…. If I’m serious about ML, there will be soooooo many more of her or even worse than her that I need to deal with in the future…. I mean, if I have doubts in dealing with it, just break up seriously…

Yea, but this is the responsibility of the person who is in a committed relationship….. not other people… and equally not painting other people as villains….

IF there were lies and dishonesty which lead to an affair…. then yes, I think it’s wrong. To start an affair and maintain one…. Is wrong…

But wot YiTing has done can only be labelled as unscrupulous and temptation. Which in all fairness…. Exist in all parts of the world all the time.

Someone who is in a committed relationship IS single by legal definitions because he/she isn’t married and that’s the difference between ‘that piece of paper’ which everyone talks about. Cheating is wrong… but it only applies to the person who is in a committed relationship… for the other party regardless of male or female is just pure dumb.

Open marriage….. yea, interesting concept.. I only half understand it. Lol, seriously yea, I never realised one could explicitly learn so much from dramas until these past couple of years,

Hurm wait. No. This I think has changed quite a bit wrt to progression and evolution. So I actually know of a lot of females who are very successful or come from wealthy families that married guys who have a huge gap. I’m dead serious. I personally know of 2 stay-at-home dads. And 1 dude who married up and the kids have their mother’s last name, which I thought was quite bizarre initially. So I kind of also only half agree on the patriarchal society thing… it still is but yet it truly is no longer the same. And it is currently at a transition phase globally (even with the company I work for) which will take a few decades.

Yes, bingo. You’ve pointed out a key point, but it’s like wot I said… the person’s confidence, assertiveness and optimism will really get constantly tested over a couple of yrs…. And not many people are able to withstand it honestly… coz to begin with both of you need to be really compatible, and there needs to be trust… these things will never happen overnight. Both the FL and ML will need to be comfortable being apart..

Ok, got it, I won’t. Don’t think I’d ever be able to overcome the trauma. LOL! Sorry but Thai culture is just too over the moon for me. I always only thought Japan has a very peculiar culture…. But I realised Thailand has it as well, but it is well masked behind the hospitality and relaxed environment. I still love the tourist aspects of both countries though. And the rich culture… always at awe.

I feel woteva YiTing did is….. no problem… is it glorious….? Nope… is it scrupulous……? Nope…. But why is she in the wrong…..? He is technically single… by legal standards. No kids. Out in the open. She is totally taking the piss for sure. But wot does Su Mo expect… the man she chose from day 1 is Mr.I-Have-It-All…. It’s not like he became successful overnight after they got tog…

In his entire life, or maybe the next 20 yrs… there will be dozens of LiTings… esp when he becomes more and more successful.

‘ And he was a blockhead enough to actually let this happen.’ —> THIS is actually where the real issue lies…. The real decision making factor on whether a girl is able to trust the dude.

😏😏😏 that would be sucha wicked moveeeee. Seriously I hope they don’t do the reconciliation simply… and ridiculously… I’m so amazed that they have sucha realistic modern romance plot… that I really hope they’d show how relationship issues are realistically solved or how it will cause a person to evolve/mature….

I will be so mad if it is a cliched and half-arsed reconciliation….

Lol, but I’m a girl though. 🤣🙊 I’m female. Not lying nor kidding.

But why….? Both of them are not married. And chasing after a guy or girl that you fancy is not wrong… and I respect that she is doing it openly and has kind of came clean to the gf. Coz honestly if you think about it logically… Any good-catch/worthy male or female will always have lotsa people chasing after them, even after they are married… the real deal isn’t wot other people are doing, or even if they used unscrupulous means…. The core issue is how your bf/gf/husband/wife reacts and handles different “YiTings” in life..,

Yeap… lol.

I wouldn’t say she is ‘willing to adapt’, I think she is open to considering (which is a wise decision)….. I have to admit that for a 27 yr old, she is definitely very aware…. She is observant and conscious of things, perceptive to her friend’s advice…. So so important. I think although he is older, he isn’t as aware of many things… and is less….. open. So his awareness is at a fail-level. lol, he gets an ‘F’ score for that from me.

I actually thought it was half funny and half realistic when he said that about the whole scandal with YiTing…. I would have scoffed if I was Su Mo. I can understand his perspective… after all Su Mo as much as is his serious gf… in reality he has known YiTing nearly all his life… even feelings wise it’s like comparing your new gf to half-a-family member…. Not to mention all the interest tied up on the side.

Ah so I learnt the proper terminology to that recently…. “Marriage of convenience”…. 🤣 sounds totally like bad news…

Honestly I never knew prior that there are “fake” couples…. Lol, coz I never quite understood the rationale to be fake in that sense… if you think about it, it’s kinda dumb. But I’ve learnt…. LOTSA people actually build relationships based on just companionship………….. like wot the hell………. Why……. Not only that…. I realised everyone uses the word “love” so…… loosely and casually. How is companionship = love…… that is so ridiculous, it’s part of it, sure but it totally doesn’t equate it… and this whole fake couples thing defo surprised me seriously…. I think it especially applies to people who are obsessed with social media. 🤣

‘ Stay single or get someone only if you want it, not coz others are doing it as well or 'who will take care of me in old age'.’ —> well said. Totally my thoughts too.

Hurm… I think communication isn’t the only issue here. Maybe because I’ve met couples in real life with a big social gap and it’s actually more of wot Su Mo has done…. So for a viable long term solution…. The only real feasible one is the female (for males it’s a totally different ball game) has to be able to hold her own…. She will have to narrow the gap regardless of how much they communicate. And this is when a person’s confidence, security and optimism is reaaaaalllyyyy tested. I’m not even kidding. Coz if you think about it from the practical standpoint, how often can you really communicate about things like that, eventually it will tire out both the people. Communication is necessary but it can’t be always about having ‘the talk’… she has to do it subtly and indirectly like ‘hey I can only play golf once a week’ at the start… and she can join more often on her own after she is good at it… instead of him having to always measure and pre-empt wot she is uncomfortable with….. which is basically also wot she insinuated in his office “yes, I acknowledge your efforts, hence why I know you are tired, I’m also tired…”

LOL wot you’ve described just sounds messed up…. Sorry to say. 🤣Ok, I don’t think I’d ever watch another Thai drama in my life. The craziest thing I’ve watched which was trashy…. Namely a “makjang” is probably Love ft. Marriage and Divorce.

I think…… censorship is crucial for a country like Mainland but there is always room for criticism and fine-tuning when it comes to details on implementation.

Yeap, can’t deny that things do accumulate over time…. Yea, for me actually embarrassment is secondary (not to mention that I will be pissed) but it’s more of…. Wot is the main purpose of us and wot on Earth are we doing….? I’m not big on the whole physical companion thing… don’t get me wrong, it’s important but for me it’s not so much about having someone to dine with, someone to watch a movie with, someone to just be good to me/my parents…. It’s needs to be more than that otherwise I honestly can’t be arsed. 🙊 coz all of those things can easily be replaceable/ disappear. A real relationship isn’t only about spending time tog/living tog…. That actually is so fragile… not to mention liking someone based on those things will not develop into love. Also you used the term “left out”… I actually think over long periods of time a person could feel more lonely in a relationship/marriage vs being single if this continues…. No idea if you get wot I mean…. As time goes by there is no guarantee that a person would still be that attentive + romantic…. And without a genuine bond, I really believe that one could feel even more lonely although he/she is in a relationship.

haha, but you know things like communication, trust, understanding, respect etc are deep issues… which causes most breakups and divorces. Ah also something which I think Su Mo has been pining for…. Compatibility… I’m a strong advocate of that too. I think without compatibility things just build up over time and eventually the union will end (basically Mo Wei Qing’s relationship regardless of the 3rd party thing). So FL has told him twice that they are unsuitable/ incompatible… I think she has been kinda rash here, don’t think she understands herself nor the dude well enough to gauge their compatibility…

Seriously I was traumatised by that one Thai drama I watched and it was a BL, was just so bad, weird and messed up…. And I recalled my Thai friends from university mentioning, “but Thai people are crazy in general… to us a lot of things are normal… but to foreigners probably not. Maybe that’s why so many foreigners settle down in Thailand because the culture is so open….” seriously and I only know of Thai females… they are crazy. Lol. But at that time yea, I mean they were obviously very fun to be around and hangout with. See, this is where censorship and quality control would be useful. 🤣 totally wrong messages to be sending out to the world.

That is SO TRUE, no way would it pass censorship esp with all the social issues they are facing with low childbirth, aging population etc. haha, yea, S.Korean dramas have been showing that, and it’s so liberating. I think about it a lot more because I realised it has become so much more common now…. Because dating has become so convenient (just like most things in the world) and also because I get to see it with colleagues and friends…

Ah yes, so the bigger problem here (which I think is a common problem in relationships) is….. *drumroll…. ‘Keeping someone in the dark’…. Lol. And I have to own up. My own character is sort of like that…. ESPECIALLY if the other person has a short fuse. I will only actively communicate if I trust the other person and if I find the other person being similar to myself in terms of thinking and personality. But I probably would have also broken up if know about the whole non-marriage thing from other people…. I think marriage or non-marriage becomes secondary, the more important thing is…. It’s not only minor things like travelling, concert recital that I have no idea about, I don’t even have any idea about your life plans when everyone else knows… then actually why on Earth are we even going out…..? 🤣

I think the 3 of them are so funny together. The new addition of the cousin is also not bad. Do you remember Wang JuAn hit the youngest brother with the baguette…. I thought that was soooooo funny…. But honestly watching them, I realised men in general are really different to females. Regardless of age or race.

LOL, but my Thai friends told me…. That is how the Thailand culture is. They are seriously kinda crazy… and promiscuity is kinda their nature for both men and women. I was ‘traumatised’ after watching 1 Thai drama…. And from then on I never watched any Thai dramas. I’m sorry but I just find them so bad…. Albeit I only watched one.

LOL.

Well, to be fair I think it’s always debatable if both people in a relationship should work in the same company…. Pros and cons to both sides, I kinda think it isn’t a good idea esp when one is the CEO and the other is only at an assistant manager level… I mean maybe when she is a lot more experienced and can stand on equal ground… but not now. I think she kinda went to (and stayed at) An Sheng to begin with coz she doesn’t have much of a choice. So good for her that she can resign and go elsewhere! Looking forward to that.

Seriously quite well written, it’s still a bit stretched here and there, could have been more tightly woven tog. But I’m surprised they brought up the no intention to get married theme. Lol. I was like, wow. That’s refreshing… haha yes, I like how they emulated Su Mo’s character coz she comes off as very real and not flawless. I like how although she is quite impatient (I wouldn’t say she has a temper but she’s kinda impetuous) yet at the same time she isn’t annoying…. Neither does she come off as she’s all over the place. And she hasn’t taken the whole feminism thing to some unicorn level thing.

“ What he did wrong was to assume that she will accept his decision about marriage.” —> Everyone just have different definitions of it and it is a lot of pressure on both genders to bring up lifetime commitments early in a relationship. BUT the fact that everyone knows except her…… yes, I would say for this case he is wrong coz…. People who have known him for a while knows, it’s not something he has decided to only keep to himself…. So he has chosen not to tell her.

I probably wouldn’t take it seriously myself, maybe because I don’t have any intentions to cheat and I have 0 intentions/feelings towards the other person…. So for this, it depends…. I think people who really cheat or someone who can successfully lure another person away isn’t one that does it so openly and comes over to tell you ‘hey I’m doing this’… it’s usually the ones which you have no idea of…. Yea, I think it’s pretty awesome and cool that both of them are not afraid of losing the other person (at least so far… lol. The guy is because he knows he’s a good catch, the girl is coz she prioritises being successful at this point in her life and a more compatible one will come along in the future)

I don’t think the other girl did anything wrong too, they are after all not married….

Well, I came to realise seriousness/commitment, marriage and kids are all different and separate things. For example my ex-boss is committed and has 2 kids but not married to his partner. Yeap, am aware of the S.Korea thing… I do think it is financially motivated but after meeting a few S.Koreans myself via work….. I realised….. actually although initially it might have stemmed from that but it has since evolved…. Think a lot of S.Koreans now don’t get married for various reasons.

Exactly! If he is like 23-25 I probably would still find it believable that he’d choose a Su Mo. Lol.I am still slightly cynical because I kinda agree with the 2nd brother in the sense; in reality would someone with the calibre of Wang Ju An really choose a Su Mo esp because he is aiming to be the future Group CEO and esp at his age now….. I think in reality it’s always a 50-50 chance. Or maybe even less than that.

Lol, hence I thought her communicating her logic so flawlessly in his office made a lot of sense and totally deserves a bravo. She said a lot of the important points… could have been a tad bit more comprehensive, but she has given very fair objective points. She was like “wow, initially it’s 2 days, then it’s 2 months, eventually will it be 2 yrs….?”

Their issues and the real reason for discord is already way past any girl issues…. As the relationship progresses there will be other issues that’d surface regardless of whether it’s girl related or not.

Yes, I was so surprised that everything you mentioned above is kinda realistic (coz I could put myself in both the ML and FL shoes and totally relate to both of them, and for many things I probably would have done the same thing too). I thought it was going to be a superb cliched kinda romance development…

Haha yes, told her a hard no in a slightly insulting tone + manner actually… not sure if that came across in subs, but in Mandarin he kinda provoked her… hence why she was so pissed.