Listen, the conclusion is PERFECTION! All the angst I felt between ep8-10 has been thoughtfully addressed in ep 11-12. I actually rewatched the prior episodes (with some skips of the 2nd couple & the hospital drama) before finishing it today.
The rollercoaster of emotions through the whole series …. Wow! Ayden, Lu Si Tong & the production team really deserve accolades for taking viewers on such a thrilling ride! I’m spent.
🤣🤣🤣 sarcasm right? As sick as one has to be to randomly plot to ruin a stranger’s life, you really…
Beginning of ep8, he was definitely trying to be…. and he used physical force. YS ended up deescalating that because he wanted to hold on to hope that the feelings are real (same with YC giving into LF during kidnap era). Then ep 11 and beyond with blackmail involved, the consent was clearly ambiguous and FX even pauses once, acknowledging that this isn’t who they were, but it ends up not stopping him at all multiple times, so yea, can’t agree with you about FX…
But I do agree that assessing a concept of bad, worse and worst among them will be based on each person’s perspective.
🤣🤣🤣 sarcasm right? As sick as one has to be to randomly plot to ruin a stranger’s life, you really…
A person like LF would also ruin and wreck anyone that harms his love interest. They are like minds when it comes to that type of thing. Only they can bully their men, nobody else should dare.
Consider this - FX met a stranger, didn’t like his good vibes, plots to end his relationship and damages his career, all while presenting as a love interest. When the lie is discovered, he still held on to his victim, engaged in non consensual activities with a man that just wanted to leave him until suicide is attempted. While this is in play, he is still selfishly focused on his overall revenge scheme on his family. Did FX fall in love along the way? Possibly. It doesn’t erase that his victim’s emotions were built based on lies, YS fell in love with an idea of FX, he didn’t know the real FX till much later. Did FX repent? Yes-ish, what you call keeping tabs is actually stalking a victim who wants nothing to do with you anymore because he’s sane enough to choose himself & peace. Because o guilt, FX tries to do it from afar, but the fact that he’s even doing it shows obsessive tendencies. YS never betrayed their love, he was always the victim in that scenario. FX can only punish himself for what he’s done to YS, completely unprovoked.
All I’m saying is, if the conditions were actually the same, and FX is dumped by LF after reconciling and promising forever, only to marry someone else, FX’s characterization would probably be more savage than LF. What he was able to do to a stranger because of irrational dislike, and to his family from a place of anger and hurt, would be much worse if there’s dependent emotions and betrayal involved.
Up until ep 9, LF feels betrayed by YC. He’s not seeking forgiveness, he’s looking to punish for betrayal. He feels wronged and even the accidents that happened with YC’s family from his perspective are not his intentional wrongdoing, so he’s not like FX at all, until ep 10 when he does start to feel guilt and sees he’s gone too far - then he’s also doing the same victim stalking & trying to do things for YC, but not to the point of letting him go completely.
The two of of them are unhinged. I don’t buy the idea that FX is somehow less so.
Just watched trailers for 11 & 12, surprised to see this type of redemption arc…I’m sat and looking forward to it!
I’ve wondered all week how they’d get from eps 9 & 10 to HE, versus just an ending… full disclosure, also reading the novel that Sammy’s Children’s Day is based on and what a painful though fitting redemption arc there, so maybe my mind has just been in a dark place and worried this would be similar.
Sooo many emotions with this one… hope they stick the landing 🤞
Don't compare my innocent fan xiao the lunatic with lu feng the monster......🤧 Fan xiao was never and will…
🤣🤣🤣 sarcasm right? As sick as one has to be to randomly plot to ruin a stranger’s life, you really don’t think he’d go apeshit if, after their reconciliation, he gets dumped and there’s a whole marriage and disappearance for 5 years? Someone who legit stalked his victim during his repentance era? The detoxification of Fan Xiao in this comment section has been the most unexpected plot twist.
He surpassed the level of toxicity of fan xiao for me. Atleast fan xiao never hurted his closed ones or raped…
That's all very valid, I also think they didn't give enough real-world substance to their love beyond being queer in a much more restrictive time... but i guess i'm not really expecting it....Young love is rarely based on that level of substance - it's very much an "attraction / what you do for me/ how you make me feel special" thing. We were left to assume too much of the knowing eachother outside the relationship parts in the beginning..they didn't talk about LF's family issues but YC saw the bruises and cared for him...i was happy to fill in the blanks.
Real dialogue would have solidified things, but again, there are relationships without that type of communication even today, talk less of a time before communication was encouraged between partners (that's a 90s and beyond thing).
Given the nature of their get-together, seperation, reconciliation then separation again, then reconciliation attempt (i assume, because why quit job & why bother apologizing after so long?) /revenge era.... with all the time that went by between these periods and no interim communication, they don't really know who their first love has become. Theses two are nostalgic about their first love and obsessed. They are two very different personalities and they don't even care about the realities of that, they just want to be in each other's lives. It's like questioning the substance of long distance relationships before cell phones and internet, or mixed language/culture relationships... you can wonder about the basis of their connection and doubt if it's real, but the people in it surely think so.
He surpassed the level of toxicity of fan xiao for me. Atleast fan xiao never hurted his closed ones or raped…
In the series, their time as students when they're falling in love and eventually having to seperate, then their time as working adults/colleagues - forgiving misunderstandings about the seperation and reconciling and living together (their deepest convo was when they talked about LF cutting ties for the relationship and YC said he would be his family) - to me we watched the relationship build, we weren't just told but were shown... I even felt his abusive tendencies showed signs with the office SA, and YC's mutual addiction to LF was revealed when he continued entertaining the relationship after that happened. The flashbacks in ep10 are things we saw build from ep 1 - 8.
Maybe the triggering effects of the more recent episodes have wiped away the beginning episodes from people's minds...the extreme ugliness of obsession usually plays out as one sided feelings in media so it's easy to revert to that assumption if we're too triggered to even care where things started from and how they got to that point. What's kept me watching is the two sided nature of this obsession (to me). They don't feel equally - LF clearly is more unhinged about their relationship, but YC also isn't letting it go, he keeps wanting more... I'm curious about where it will end since there's interest on both sides and i invested when the love was still pure.
He surpassed the level of toxicity of fan xiao for me. Atleast fan xiao never hurted his closed ones or raped…
I got the "true love" part from LF and YC in their college days, I think they had a strong foundation of deep emotion at the height of hormonal reactions... at that time they were ready to let the world burn for eachother, even YC talked back to his parents and knelt for his younger brother... they were eachother's drug. For me, this foundation was stronger because it was mutual and based on authentic emotions, versus FX and YS where the relationship foundationally started with sick web weaving on FX's part. Seriously, FX went out of his way to ignite romantic feelings from YS when he only felt a sick curiosity/desire to tear him down. I honestly think the only reason people aren't more outraged is because YS isn't as weak a victim as YC. FX met his match in YS, wheras LF is riding all over YC, so YC comes across as much more pitiful (making LF seem like a bigger monster). FX eventually fell in love and acknowledged his wrong doing, but still went looking for his victim, even it was from afar initially... that's still selfish, though not directly physically harmful. I think FX would awaken his dark side all over if YS got back with him, made forever promises but then decided to ghost him and marry a woman.... considering what he was capable of to get YS in the first place.
The rollercoaster of emotions through the whole series …. Wow! Ayden, Lu Si Tong & the production team really deserve accolades for taking viewers on such a thrilling ride! I’m spent.
This is dark romance done beautifully. 🤌
Well done to the cast and production team!
But I do agree that assessing a concept of bad, worse and worst among them will be based on each person’s perspective.
Consider this - FX met a stranger, didn’t like his good vibes, plots to end his relationship and damages his career, all while presenting as a love interest. When the lie is discovered, he still held on to his victim, engaged in non consensual activities with a man that just wanted to leave him until suicide is attempted. While this is in play, he is still selfishly focused on his overall revenge scheme on his family.
Did FX fall in love along the way? Possibly. It doesn’t erase that his victim’s emotions were built based on lies, YS fell in love with an idea of FX, he didn’t know the real FX till much later.
Did FX repent? Yes-ish, what you call keeping tabs is actually stalking a victim who wants nothing to do with you anymore because he’s sane enough to choose himself & peace. Because o guilt, FX tries to do it from afar, but the fact that he’s even doing it shows obsessive tendencies. YS never betrayed their love, he was always the victim in that scenario. FX can only punish himself for what he’s done to YS, completely unprovoked.
All I’m saying is, if the conditions were actually the same, and FX is dumped by LF after reconciling and promising forever, only to marry someone else, FX’s characterization would probably be more savage than LF. What he was able to do to a stranger because of irrational dislike, and to his family from a place of anger and hurt, would be much worse if there’s dependent emotions and betrayal involved.
Up until ep 9, LF feels betrayed by YC. He’s not seeking forgiveness, he’s looking to punish for betrayal. He feels wronged and even the accidents that happened with YC’s family from his perspective are not his intentional wrongdoing, so he’s not like FX at all, until ep 10 when he does start to feel guilt and sees he’s gone too far - then he’s also doing the same victim stalking & trying to do things for YC, but not to the point of letting him go completely.
The two of of them are unhinged. I don’t buy the idea that FX is somehow less so.
I’ve wondered all week how they’d get from eps 9 & 10 to HE, versus just an ending… full disclosure, also reading the novel that Sammy’s Children’s Day is based on and what a painful though fitting redemption arc there, so maybe my mind has just been in a dark place and worried this would be similar.
Sooo many emotions with this one… hope they stick the landing 🤞
The detoxification of Fan Xiao in this comment section has been the most unexpected plot twist.
We were left to assume too much of the knowing eachother outside the relationship parts in the beginning..they didn't talk about LF's family issues but YC saw the bruises and cared for him...i was happy to fill in the blanks.
Real dialogue would have solidified things, but again, there are relationships without that type of communication even today, talk less of a time before communication was encouraged between partners (that's a 90s and beyond thing).
Given the nature of their get-together, seperation, reconciliation then separation again, then reconciliation attempt (i assume, because why quit job & why bother apologizing after so long?) /revenge era.... with all the time that went by between these periods and no interim communication, they don't really know who their first love has become. Theses two are nostalgic about their first love and obsessed. They are two very different personalities and they don't even care about the realities of that, they just want to be in each other's lives.
It's like questioning the substance of long distance relationships before cell phones and internet, or mixed language/culture relationships... you can wonder about the basis of their connection and doubt if it's real, but the people in it surely think so.
I even felt his abusive tendencies showed signs with the office SA, and YC's mutual addiction to LF was revealed when he continued entertaining the relationship after that happened.
The flashbacks in ep10 are things we saw build from ep 1 - 8.
Maybe the triggering effects of the more recent episodes have wiped away the beginning episodes from people's minds...the extreme ugliness of obsession usually plays out as one sided feelings in media so it's easy to revert to that assumption if we're too triggered to even care where things started from and how they got to that point.
What's kept me watching is the two sided nature of this obsession (to me). They don't feel equally - LF clearly is more unhinged about their relationship, but YC also isn't letting it go, he keeps wanting more... I'm curious about where it will end since there's interest on both sides and i invested when the love was still pure.
For me, this foundation was stronger because it was mutual and based on authentic emotions, versus FX and YS where the relationship foundationally started with sick web weaving on FX's part. Seriously, FX went out of his way to ignite romantic feelings from YS when he only felt a sick curiosity/desire to tear him down. I honestly think the only reason people aren't more outraged is because YS isn't as weak a victim as YC. FX met his match in YS, wheras LF is riding all over YC, so YC comes across as much more pitiful (making LF seem like a bigger monster).
FX eventually fell in love and acknowledged his wrong doing, but still went looking for his victim, even it was from afar initially... that's still selfish, though not directly physically harmful.
I think FX would awaken his dark side all over if YS got back with him, made forever promises but then decided to ghost him and marry a woman.... considering what he was capable of to get YS in the first place.