Draco

I didn't have a problem to understand ml's perspective or thought process. Also not showing interest does not mean they don't have sexual thoughts they're just better at hiding it just like how ml said he fell for fl right away as well as his thinking she was beautiful when he met her to her family. But I just remembered him being cold towards her and avoiding eyes contact when she was trying to make a pass at him. Or him quoting poem when he was drunk but being awkward when he was sober. In a way by not showing interest in women and making him interested in other things like nerdy things or have other pastime beside chasing women make him more desirable to women. Dramas are fake anyway so why do you watch these dramas if you're thinking that way about the mls lol. If the mls were teenagers then i would agree, but the ml is in his late 20s in this instance not showing interest in women he can be considered as sexually regress or not sexually active. Don't think too hard about it, it just a drama mean to be enjoy. I tend to watch more Asian shows than western shows because I don't like the constant showing of sex in western shows. This is the choices you make in what you watch because you know exactly what you're getting.

For bromance the source material is not bl, but the main characters are two or more male characters. And it does not has the focus on romance. Not that much difference between bl beside the fact the source material is not bl and has two or more male leads...

That's weird I also watch the actor in many dramas and I don't remember him not making eye contacts with other women beside this one. In term of making eye contacts, there's also depends on the situation if you purposely not make eye contacts because you want to show you're not interested if you're force to go on a date for example. But I do agree if you're talking to a colleague then that's a different thing. However I also noticed in Chinese drama they have a strict social prohibition between men and women. A man just showed a bit of interest and a woman automatically think he's interested in her and want marriage. The women in Chinese dramas rarely think of one night stand but automatically go for marriage, so it makes sense for guys in order to keep themselves from being caught by these obsessive women they act coldly towards women in general since ml in these dramas tend to be rich and come from a high society. They only show interest in women they like and that's usually the fl.

From my understanding that drama has like three mls and it's like a love rectangle, three mls in love with fl. I guess the script just wasn't something he would be interested in even though yang Zi is a good actress. No bl but dramas with bromance is fine there are two dramas recently that have bromance the blood of youth and a league of gentlemen just released both have more than one male leads.

I heard he was rumored for a bl before with gong jun and nothing came of it. As well as rumor with yang zi but he turned it down, it was for the drama loss you forever if I remember correctly. Anyway I don't mind seeing him in a bromance and it would be even cooler if it was a wuxia. Once upon a time in lingjian mountain was so fun, and I just love the bromance between him and 2ml ^^

When is the shooting start does anyone knows?

Are you saying for other dramas ml also don't make eye contact with other females and not just this one. When you don't make eye contact it means you're not interested. Women in cdramas are kind of obsessive so I kind of understand about not making eye contacts otherwise who knew what kind of women you will attract. For this drama though it was established ml is uncomfortable in social setting so it makes sense for him to not make eye contact, as well as avoiding making eye contact. In term of normal he's just shy and awkward, ml also avoid making eye contact with fl if I remember correctly in the beginning when he first met her.

If you're talking about the aspect of being loyal to only fl, then you're right. Ml is always written as loyal and going far and beyond for fl. Fl on the other hand seems to have more freedom to be promiscuous liking more than one boys, etc. And only make her decision towards the very end making ml to wait for her. It can be frustrating when watching this type of plot. This drama kind of switch it up a bit and made ml and fl wait for each other at first ml was the one who made the effort and then towards the end it was fl. I like that they're making the fl showing her feeling to ml and act vulnerable for a change rather than staying the confidence woman in return to ml's feeling for her, so I don't have any complaints towards the end.

Are you sure, I remember ml's best friend told ml there was a girl he thought was really hot and he wants her to transfer to his department. And then there was another guy who was hitting on fl even though he knew she was married, as well as having an affair with his boss's wife. I don't watch too many romantic dramas but from my understanding these dramas are gear towards women and these male characters are popular with women because they're show to be cold and unfeeling, and it seems to be a trope to have very similar types of ml in these types of dramas. Ml in this drama is kind of a nerd and rather spend his time at home with his pet than dating, he's not the usual ml we see in romantic dramas who are usually suave and confident. Ml and fl kind of switch roles in this drama, fl is confidence and very sure about her sexuality, ml is shy and awkward as well as insecure. It's interesting to see the dynamics between this couple. Those who are uncomfortable with the roles switch might not like it.

You were right xukai did get best actor awards for this drama ^^

I think this comes down to censorship. Also from my observation Asians are sexually regress. In the old day, it's even worse, women are expected to stay pure and a virgin before marriage. If a girl found pregnant with a child out of wedlock she could be stone to death. In such a society how do they represent sexuality. Nowadays it's not as restricted but I still feel asian society especially the Chinese being much more restricted in their sexuality than western counterparts.

I want to see him pair again with li yi tong. They were in court lady together but most of the time they were apart, would've like them in a modern or historical drama together again ^^

That depends on whether the couple agree to the divorce. Look at how long it took qin shi's brother and best friend they kept serving each other divorce papers and towards the end I don't even remember if they were ever divorced. I was also surprised that qin shi agree so quickly over the divorce when yang hua asked for it. She didn't want the divorce so why agree in the first place, I suppose pride makes people do stupid things. I always thought yang hua didn't really want to go through with the divorce either and he was just testing to see whether qin shi would refuse him, and it was so easy for him to ask for a divorce and gotten it the next day while qin shi's brother and best friend took forever lol.

I don't think it's as bad as some are made it out to be. I like how yang hua became more selfish as he wants a future with qin shi. It seems some of you guys just want him to stayed the perfect fake husband of qin shi, and just stayed on the sidelines looking jealous all the times while she's off doing her own things with her ex. I think he just gotten tired of being unsure about her feeling and decided to end things and start over from scratch with her. Also he's keeping himself away to give her a choice between himself and her ex. You're asking why he didn't say anything to qin shi about his ex in my opinion yang hua is a man of few words and what he had with his ex was in the past as he said to qin shi when she asked him. He's not good with words so his ways of explaining might've been frustrating to qin shi, but I believe him when he said that it's no use looking back. Yes I can see why qin shi might've misunderstood there've might been something there due to yao yao's teasing of her. He felt real to me and not the imaginary perfect husband that qin shi wanted anymore. Would qin shi still want him even knowing that he's not so perfect. This all comes down to trust because all along he was acting as the perfect husband of qin shi for so long even if his feeling is real.

I'm not going to argue with you since it seems you already made up your mind. I actually like that yang hua is willing to put up a fight and make qin shi felt exactly how he was feeling while he was insecure about tjh. Yao yao is a strong and confident woman just like qin shi. She was a single mom after her divorce with her husband, I think as a friend seeing her in trouble makes yang hua wants to help and that's all. Their breakup was his fault because he is too into his career and he might've felt guilty over it. From their interaction there's nothing between them where we feel like they both want to get back together. With qin shi and tjh it's very clear to see he has feeling for her, and even knowing that she still working with him. I'm thinking to her what she had with yang hua was a fake marriage that's why she's not trouble in her interaction with her ex, and yang hua felt the same. She felt she's protected due to her already being married without having to be tied down to her husband due to her arrangement with him, that both of them can divorce anytime they want. If you're in such a relationship, obviously the weaker partner will feel threatened by this, qin shi seems much stronger than yang hua, she's just very assure and think the arrangement is what she wanted. Yang hua on the other hand is always jealous of her interaction with tjh because he's not assure of her feeling.

When qin shi and yao yao interact, we can see both of them are strong women, and they're good at playing the confidence self assure women. They don't want the others to know their weaknesses and that's the thing yao yao was just acting in my opinion to make qin shi jealous because she saw how qin shi see her as a rival. Yang hua was just a victim in their game. He was just caught in the middle between two strong women who want to flex their sexuality by making themselves as desirable. Yang hua wasn't planning anything with yao yao, it just a coincidence at the bar that he saw yao yao first, and yao yao decided to help him to make qin shi even more jealous.

In term of yh and qs relationship, he knew qin shi is afraid of marriage that's why she's in a fake marriage and for him is doesn't matter if they're married or not. He's just giving her time away from him to make up her mind about things. Yang hua knew qin shi as a strong and confident woman and that's also what he loves about her, but it also makes him feel he doesn't deserves her, so that's why he giving her a chance to make up her mind about whether she wants to be with him or go back to her ex. I think as they're still on a break he doesn't want to meet her and force her to make a choice too early that's why he gave her lots of time. I think yang hua thinks qin shi is too smart to fall for yao yao's provocation because in my opinion everything yao yao said was a lies to get a rise out of qin shi as qin shi saw her as a rival and she amused by her jealousy.

I really like yao yao and think she shared lots of commonality with qin shi, and I don't think she's a kind of woman who would go after a man who's in love with another woman. She knew yang hua has it hard for qin shi so she was just trying to help thinking of helping them get back together. I think if qin shi has come to the airport on time, they could've a reunion, but instead she came too late and since yang hua thinks qin shi didn't fall for yao yao lies that why he left thinking qin shi is angry with him. That's why he gave her time to cool off, and even though he moved into the apartment next door he was just waiting for the right time to show up again when her anger has subsided.

When you said they don't behave as men gives me an example lol. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. How should men behave?

I have to disagree here, yang hua falls first, and towards their wedding he already has feeling for her. He even confessed to her while drunk so she already knew his feeling the night before the wedding. At the wedding she got cold feet and it was him that walk her up the aisle. Yang hua has feeling for qin shi but he is not sure of her feeling so he hesitate in kissing her. Qin shi initiate the kiss showed her as an experience woman who is very comfortable with her own sexuality, while yang hua seems very inexperienced in his hesitation. I don't think they do anything besides sleep together on their wedding night but that's up to interpretation since they still have their clothes on.

From my memory you have the wrong order, yang hua told qin shi he likes her and said he wants to date her then gave her a short kiss. Qin shi said she is not sure so he gave her a longer kiss to convince her. Yang hua also the one who came to her room and want to spend the night with her. However once in bed all he did was playing game, this makes me more convinced he's inexperienced when it comes to intimacy and qin shi gotten impatient and decided to make the first move.

I don't know how experienced yang hua is I can only infer from his own responses when it comes to the opposite sex and just his way of speaking to his friend when he was admiring a co-worker and yang hua went online and bought something for his wife, or when a coworker has a crush on him and he was openly admired by his females coworkers. He came out on his own and admitted he's married, made me think he's very loyal and doesn't play games when it comes to females.

He and yao yao were childhood friends before they started dating in university. That makes me clear he's a late bloomer, and not sexually active. Also where did it said he two time yao yao, from my understanding this is all in yao yao imagination due to how much yang hua obsess with his career. You see yang hua as a normal guy, I see him as a nerd who's only cares about his career in his past and that's why he got abandoned by his girlfriend. What yao yao was afraid of is yang hua cares more for his career than her, and in order to advance in his career he would get together with his boss's daughter by marrying her. That didn't happen, so where do you get that idea that he was two timing her other than yao yao's own insecurities.

In romance dramas the audiences are females so it's usually focus on fl and her inner thoughts, while we don't always get ml's pov. Also this is to cater to female audiences since these audiences don't like cheaters or two timers especially in Asian dramas compare to western dramas. This limit the writers to what is acceptable behaviors for ml.

For this drama, the ml is such a refreshing change to all the perfect ml, he can be called perfect if you want an ml who's caring and supportive but he flipped the normal accepted norms for ml. He's shy and awkward in social setting, his thinking of living within his own means, or he's not threatened by doing things that usually accept as women's chores. Also in romantic situations she's the one that makes the first move because he's inexperienced compare to all those pure fl's fl in this drama knows exactly what she wants, she's confident in her own sexuality. Ml is portrayed as very insecure due to his own inexperienced and he doesn't believes in his own appeal hence the constant jealousy with fl's ex.

I actually like what the writer written about ml and his changes as he fell in love with fl, he went from being detached to someone who put fl ahead of his own feeling. To becomes selfish and thinking for the future, and becomes more assertive. If yang hua has stayed constant and give qin shi that much power over him, she would always taken advantage of his understanding like what you said how she didn't draw the line between her ex in their interaction. I think this is also because she was assured of yang hua's feeling for her. As the last few eps we see qin shi becomes threatened when yang hua's ex came into the picture, I think that was the push she needs to realizes her feeling for him and how much she needs him in her life.

What's fake about ml here, he seems very genuine . I think he's a very interesting person, his feeling and motivation feels real to me, so what fake about him is it because you can't accept there are guys who can be good at housework and want to stay home rather than working at the office? Just like there're women who only cares about career and don't want to have anything to do with marriage? Dramas are meant to exaggerate, lots of time when we're watching a drama we look for realism but also want to live in fantasy. Dramas can be base on real situations but also tend to exaggerate, but that's the appeal of watching dramas...

I don't think there was any interactions between yao yao and yang hua beside meeting her at the court and giving her a ride, and then later agree to help her when li dai asked for his help. Also after hearing about her trouble being out of a job and having to raise a son by herself I think as someone who you used to care about and a childhood friend I don't see why he couldn't help her when she was in trouble. He went to her apartment to give her the money and i think that's all of their interactions. It was a coincidence qin shi went there at the same time yang hua was and he didn't want qin shi to know he was at yao yao apartment so he hides from her. I assumed he wasn't ready to face her at the time since they were still on break, and he was afraid qin shi would misunderstood if she find him there. That's why at the bar i think it was all yao yao doing and has nothing to do with yang hua, he went along because he realizes yao yao was helping him to make qin shi jealous. Also yao yao returns the money, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up, it's his money so he could gives it to whomever he wants.

Also yang hua having to testify is much later since li dai asked qin shi for help to get yang hua to help his old boss. Yang hua was on the fence about it, but he still agree to help him after thinking it over. Qin shi being black mail and wu fei send the pic made yang hua worried for qin shi and he even asked her if she has something to tell him but she didn't tell him anything. He chose to trust her and that's why he told his friend he believes in qin shi, that's different from actually knowing about it.

What is so different about qin shi feeling threatened by yao yao and yang hua feeling threatened by tjh is qin shi was about to married tjh and it was her family that caused them to be apart. Now that tjh is made himself available again, yang hua thinks it's time for qin shi to face her feeling for tjh and their unfinished business. With yao yao and yang hua they haven't met in a long time, and it's not like yang hua to suddenly develop feeling for yao yao, every time they're together there's this awkwardness between them I think it's due to yang hua being uncomfortable since they had an unpleasant break-up.

If tjh feeling wasn't a threat to yang hua then why would yang hua told qin shi if she wants to get back with tjh they can get a divorce since they agree they will only stay in the marriage for three years or something like that. He voice his feeling in such a way that it clear he thinks qin shi still has feeling for tjh, that was when tjh gotten injured and she offered to drive him to the hospital, even waiting outside with yang hua to make sure he was ok.