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Sorry about your name, Rahab.

I found PRE*SO on youtube but that is NOT the director's cut, I assume? Maybe it's on heypogi. I like juicy scenes. :)

Thank you, Rehab. I will check out the hidden gem. :)

I was almost disappointed to see the ending to Daddy Love wrapped things up so clearly. Leaving things where they were when you-know-what happened would have been a great lead-in to a second season.

I can't get over the chemistry between the two leads SO different from each other in almost every way and yet from the first scene in which I saw them together I thought they were a great match. That little Kiko is like an angel come down to Earth. :)

Thanks Rehab. I actually liked it enough to sign on for a 30-day membership to heypogi.com Lots of other gay and BL stuff I can soak up in 4 weeks. :)

Hey Sol, thanks for the reply. Please don't be misled: I don't mean to imply that I had roles waiting for me on Broadway, lol, and that I turned them down and chose staying in the closet in the Midwest as the better option. I turned down a place to stay in NY while I looked for a job and tried to do auditions along with everyone else, and I realized I didn't have what it would take to do that. I'm sure many actors succeed, not because they are the BEST possible actors there are, but because they had the fortitude it takes to keep on slaving away at it while many other, more talented actors, fell to the wayside.

So I didn't give up Broadway, it was more a sober acceptance that trying to make it there or in tv/film was just not a good match with my temperament. I have always tended toward depression and I could easily see myself sitting on a sidewalk beside a trashcan on 47th street at 3am, sobbing into the pizza crusts I just dug out to eat. I thought Oh-aew was very impressive in quickly realizing that he didn't want to go thru rejection after rejection after rejection, especially from his audition it seems to be the case that he CAN'T ACT. :) Thankfully, I missed the comments deriding the director who wanted Oh to butch it up at the audition. There are so many stupid people in comments, I don't care if they're 12. Yeah, a straight character needs to, you know, not seem gay.

And too there was my understanding that by pursuing theatre as an avocation in smaller organizations and venues I would increase my chances of landing plum roles. And that has definitely been the case.

And how great that Oh found an interest in advertising! My second major/degree was journalism/advertising. However, I thought the way they handled that development was too easy/convenient and predictable too...something you'd see in a much lesser BL: "ooooh, Oh answered a question right in ad class! He's now going to be the bestest ad student ever!" Maybe I'd like to see a BL student slog along for a few years, unable to figure out what it is they want to do. I've seen that in BLs, but never as a major plot point and with any seriousness that I can remember.

The roles I've gotten to play and am most proud of have been mostly at the amateur and semi-pro level in large cites or regional-type theaters. And of course I went to rehearsals after my 8 to 10 hours working my real career, but never regretted the being tired all the time that comes with that because who's ever tired when they're on stage in the lights? :D

I agree with what you said about the level of "cheating" in the series being pretty low-level, BUT if I had seen my former LTR making out passionately with another dude, I couldn't have quietly closed the door like Oh did. I would have made a grand scene. Not proud of that, and Oh made the better choice, but I know myself. lol What an opportunity for great drama, not to be missed! :D OR I would have stayed and watched, waiting to see if they would really take it all the way or not. To me, it was the intense level of Teh's EMOTIONAL/ROMANTIC infidelity, so clearly on display in that horrible duet scene at the after-party, that broke Oh, and it would have me too. Yes, we all have crushes, except of course for the SJWs here who are pure and one hundred percent true to the partners for life, no matter what, but this thing with Teh/Jai to me went beyond a crush, getting close to obsession.

Jai shut Teh down after the makeout. He shut him down brutally at the after-party, in their little one-on-one discussion when Teh was pathetically still trying to make a THING happen between them, and STILL Teh's eyes were glued to Jai across the room. I felt like he was losing his mind and I think that's true to a small degree. Extreme crushes are a form of mental illness, I would say. So I can't agree that the Jai thing was minor, it was HUGE for Teh. And poor Oh kept looking the other way until it was right in his face for the 20th time, and in the most obvious, humiliating way possible in front of all those people. Ugh.

I regard this sequel, so far, as my second favorite BL after ITSAY. That could change later of course. Right now I know that while the ride was pretty rough, it took me to a beautiful sunset and a spectacular confession of love between two characters I cared for deeply. Remember? "So...if I can be anything to you, does that mean I can be your...boyfriend?" I remember Oh's face caving in on itself upon his hearing those words too, but that time with joy. God, that was a great scene.

Thanks for chatting with me about all this shit. Two years ago I wouldn't have believed that I'd be rambling on to this degree, or any degree, to strangers on the Internet about dramatic series from a genre out of Asia known as Boys Love. lol But I'm glad I am. These shows really get to me and I like dissecting how and why.

Thanks for all that, Sol. Oh, I SO agree that Oh aew is devastated at the loss of Teh from his life. His friend in whose splendiferous apartment he has been staying, said he'd been crying for two weeks. I thought it unrealistic that given that fact, the friend would let Teh ambush Oh up there without asking him first if it would be OK. On the other hand, perhaps the friend has had it up to here with all the weeping and wailing and wants Oh out however he can help that happen. I'M KIDDING!! :D

The tell-all for me was in that beautiful scene where all his posse laid down and comforted him on the floor. One of the friends told Oh to forget about that jerk Teh and I watched Oh's face as he momentarily considered the good sense of that, but then watched that face collapse in on itself out of desperate sorrow. At this point he can't even envision a future without Teh without it crushing his heart and soul. I'm tearing up remembering that. I have felt that kind of all-consuming grief at the loss of someone I loved, and not a death, but by getting dumped. It took me months before I woke up in the morning without almost immediately dissolving into tears at the thought of another day without that person I had loved. That is where Oh is right now. If it weren't for those five queenie and loyal friends of his, I hate to think what he might have done to himself. At the very least, I think he would have had to leave school and go home for quite a while.

This by way of saying I get what you mean about Oh not being strong enough to stay with Teh. But it's one of those yes, but/but, yes things...there's also strength in being able to acknowledge your weakness. And for me it's not just about Oh's self-respect, it's about him seeing that this will happen over and over again because he thinks he is not able to give Teh whatever it is he is looking for (I don't think Teh knows that himself.) and knowing he is not strong enough to go though it over and over, nor should he have to.

He is paying the price in short and medium-term sorrow as the cost of avoiding repetitious bouts of severe grief and pain in the long-term. Sigh. It's all so sad. This is a real tragedy.

You may have caught at some point that I am a part-time, mostly amateur actor myself. I faced the choice when I finished grad school, whether or not to pursue acting in NYC. (Strangely, no one had to that point offered me a starring Broadway role on the strength of my collegiate musical theatre performances like Teh). I had a place to stay if I went and I had been urged to do so by a working professional who lived there, had choreographed multiple Broadway shows and totally believed I had the talent. Ahhh. but did I have the tough-as-nails skin and work ethic and strength of will to endure what it would require in the way of rejection after rejection after rejection while waiting tables and praying/working for the break that for the vast majority of actors, never comes. I decided I didn't have that kind of strength and would be eaten alive emotionally by the industry. At the time, part of me felt I was being a coward. But I long ago came to believe I made the right choice for me. I never would have survived and I'm surprised I had the maturity to know it.

So...I resolved to regard theatre as my side-career, or hobby, and do it just for the sheer pleasure and joy of it. As a result over the years I have played some incredible roles in fairly large theatres that I would NEVER, most likely, have gotten to play in NYC. I have also played a good number of wonderful supporting roles. I mean real, bucket-list roles. And I haven't had to starve and sleep on the floor in rat-infested walk-ups or eat crusts out of the garbage or any of that fun stuff many actors find themselves doing, and that would have broken me.

I don't think Teh is emotionally strong enough for professional acting either. I have NO idea or prediction if this will be part of the plot, I doubt it, but based on how easily he was manipulated by Jai, all caught up in the play and the rehearsals and the boundary-crossing to where he didn't know where he started and the rest began, and on the fact that his female friend's choosing another career and on Oh's choosing another major, so rocked him that he was furious and disappointed in both, indicates to me that Teh does not have the iron skin and total resolve ON HIS OWN to go after his acting goal. He was leaning on others all along, and he wanted to lean on Jai as a professional AND romantic partner to shore himself up for what he would need to do.

My hope is that Teh will realize this about himself and let that false dream go. (of course my theory is all blown to hell by the fact that Teh gets offers from professional acting agents seeking him out at student-directed, obscure plays attended by a one-third-full house, but I'm being realistic here). I'm hoping that the ugliness of what that same woman immediately asked him to do upon the role being offered to him, which was to erase his authentic self from social media, and especially to erase Oh. THAT, I'm hoping, is enough for him to hear alarm bells going off and say NO. That would take a great deal of maturity and self-awareness, but maybe given the shock of Oh's rejection and how it surely has devastated him too, he will wake up.

I guess we'll see.

I watched the series version too. It was silly and trope-city but I thought many of the laughs were well-earned. I'm apparently getting used to screaming queens in Pinoy BLs. The blowjob and new bottoming scenes were first funny/sexy, then touching/sexy. Seriously, BL world needs to do a lot more of that kind of thing; a "pure" top learning to bottom for the sake of the pleasure of his partner, and discovering along the way that there's a lot to be said for the pleasures of the under-side of things too.

Wow. That's harsh. I don't think he's a master-manipulator. I guess he could be if he decided to be a career asshole and began to behave that way to get what he wants rather than moving toward change and becoming a better person. If he stays in acting, it may well feed every bad instinct he has. Oh helps him be a better person.

lol, no he's definitely not there yet. Therapy would be great...individual for Teh and then together.

I agree, not that you asked, that Oh showed a great deal of strength and character there, which even though it hurts Teh in the moment, I believe will end up being a factor in his recognition that Oh is a rare catch, they have a rare depth of love for each other, and THAT THEY WILL END UP BEING TOGETHER IN A GLORIOUS REUNION OF EPIC PROPORTIONS BEYOND ANYTHING SEEN BEFORE IN BL HISTORY.

That's what I want, anyway.

I understand.

Well, did I SAY that Teh wasn't responsible for his actions? No, I did not ever say that.

Why would Teh fall for Jai because he knew they were both anrcissists and it wouldn't work?

Please read my comment above where I wrote about the way the singing/staring sing was shot...to me it indicates Teh's loose relationship with actuality. As you put it, the difference between fantasy and reality and I wholeheartedly agree. I think he's beginning to get the difference, and he is paying a very high price to do so.

TEH'S NOT REAL? omg...what about Oh aew then? :) :D

Not sure what you mean by this, but...thank you? :D

You are, as you know, obscuring the facts, oversimplifying the issues and putting words into the fingers of other commenters who did not type them. Since you're having to do all that to support your argument, you might want to take a hard look at whether or not it is valid.

I don't know if you're one of them, but a lot of commenters seem to need to brutally judge Teh as a means of making them feel superior and better about themselves.

I don't know how I can state my position any more clearly but I'll try. I guess I look at the entire episode with Jai, all of its different aspects you mention as ONE incident of emotional/romantic cheating because they all involve the same person. You see them as individual betrayals. I see one.
And let's keep in mind there was NO sex except for the kissing. It's not as though Teh and Jai carried on f**king for months and then got caught.

I think of Teh as having been overwhelmed/overcome by his lack of a center and the trap set for him by Jai to exploit that. You see Teh as an evil cheater who planned everything out. I see Teh as a weak/flawed person who frankly, lost control of himself. The staring at Jai thing even after their brutally honest talk was filmed in such a way, and I will watch it again after the last episode, that to me Teh seemed almost crazed/obsessed/a little bit nutso in the way he could NOT stop doing it, even while he was singing with his boyfriend which should have been a beautiful moment.

You keep saying you could never forgive. I keep saying under the right circumstances and with the appropriate change/remorse, I believe I could. I hope I would. Because if I still loved the person who was disloyal to me, by continuing to judge and reject them I would be hurting myself more than anyone else.

And if, down the road, that person does it again, then yeah, at that point I might be able to forgive, which is about letting go and is more important for the forgiver than the forgiven, but I wouldn't be able to be with that person again. I would have to let go of them for good. But that's not where I would be yet if I were in Oh's shoes.

And the last paragraph above is pretty much what Oh said to Teh: He believes this WILL happen again, and then what? Well...maybe it will and maybe it won't...we haven't reached the end of the story yet and I have a hopeful heart.

If Jai had apologized to Teh for what he had done, sought to make it right by talking to Oh more deliberately about the position he put Teh in and how it all went down, and asked forgiveness from both of them, he would absolutely be worthy of forgiveness.

Instead, he pretty much told Teh "I did this on purpose, I knew exactly what I was doing and you fell for it, it worked for my play so I got what I wanted and I don't care about your or OH or what I've done to you both."

So no, I would not be ready to forgive Jai because he made no effort to correct anything, which is not the same as saying "no matter what you do or say, you are a horrible person and I will never forgive you." THAT is being judgemental and that is what you seem to be saying regarding Teh.

1. They have been together more than three years. At their age, that ranks as long-term to me.
2. This is exactly what I just said in my comment: "But you can choose what to DO or NOT DO in response to your feelings."
3. No, we do not have different values about this. We have different values about how one reacts when a partner has actually been disloyal. I'm at least interested in the possibility of change and forgiveness. You seem to want instant condemnation, no chance for the offending party to make amends, and an end to the relationship. Period.

Perhaps this is a largely unpopular opinion, but after reading through comments for weeks and the new ones again today, and being haunted by this story in between my hour-long sessions at the computer soaking in this masterpiece, and thinking about all of it a lot, I STILL WANT OH AND TEH TO BE TOGETHER WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE. It may just be my sappy, romantic BL heart that insists on believing that, even after all that's gone down between these two, love really can conquer all.

But love can't conquer without some hard work, humility and change from those involved and in this case we all know the bulk of that work would have to fall on Teh. He is the one who struggles to stay true, even though I believe in his deepest heart of hearts, his affection for Oh is real and intense, he is easily swayed this way or that because he hasn't found his grounded center yet.

I am hoping/guessing that this last ep will show us a time gap forward during which Teh has done the work I mention above, that he will come to Oh and that Oh will accept him for the sake of the love he too still harbors for Teh. There a a few "howevers" here though. Will Oh, who even though I hated the orange hair and the grandma clothes is an absolutely loyal sweetheart, really not be in another relationship by then? The script has made it clear he is popular and desired. And if he is, I have difficulty believing he would just turn and leave that person for Teh, even if he does still love him.

Also however, I am highly suspicious that at the end of ep 4 Teh did NOT delete the social media photos, which means he would be considering NOT taking the supposedly dream job with the series. That whole random-agent-walks-up-after-an-obscure-student-directed-play-and-offers-you-a-nationally-televised-series-out-of-the-blue plot device, which is utter bullshit and unworthy of the rest of this show, rings false to me anyway. It's ridiculous. That a professional, big-budget TV show would risk everything on some nobody junior in college actor just because he is SO DAMN AWESOME...please. Shows like that want some experience, some seasoning. They want to see some work within the industry already having been done and Teh doesn't have that. Finally...let's face it, and just my opinion of course, but what was so great and compelling about Teh's performance we saw in Jai's play? He was dry, unanimated, etc. I even thought he seemed kind of bored. The lead-up to the big smooch with the female lead right at the end showed NONE of the passion he had displayed toward Jai when they kissed in the rehearsal room and you could even see them pause the kiss and wait for the blackout. Silliness.

Also, can we talk about the play's use of RED PLASTIC BEER-PARTY CUPS for the characters to supposedly be drinking the all-important plum wine out of? lol I laughed when I saw those. What was that about? And to some this may seem a small point but it's not to me: it was obvious from the way the characters, including Teh, were handling the cups, that there was NOTHING in them. Either you put something in them for the show or you work to make it seem there is something in them by the way you use them. Teh was tipping his this way and that in a manner that made it clear the cup held nothing but air. :)

And based on this lackluster performance by an unknown college kid, an agent walks up and hires him. Yes, she said there'd be an audition, but she also made it clear that was pretty much a formality and the part was his. lol

I believe Teh honestly loves Oh and can change. I KNOW Oh honestly loves Teh because of the outstanding acting of PP. At the end of the ep, when he was being comforted by his wonderful friends and told to forget Teh the jerk and after two weeks of crying he utterly collapsed into heaving, ugly-crying sobs once again, it was obvious that though he's been brave and done what had to be done regarding Teh, the vision of a future without Teh in it as his lover appears absolutely desolate and soul-crushing. This is the kind of love that can't be "gotten over." This is a painfully broken-hearted love that Oh will carry the rest of his life. I got dumped once by someone I lived and died for in my heart, because I was a mess at the time. He did the right thing, to save himself. That was nearly 40 years ago and if I think about it/him long enough even now, my chest grows heavy and my eyes get moist.

But that is NOT what I want for Oh and Teh. Dammit, I want them together and I believe it possible without it seeming ridiculous. Passage of time, Teh does the work, maybe leaves acting, I don't know but he GROWS. The he comes to Oh and there is a glorious scene/scenes of forgiveness and redemption that will rock our world.

I know many commenters want Teh crucified and tortured and left to live out his miserable life alone and in pain. Those commenters have issues with bitterness and vengefulness and holding a grudge and demanding perfection from others that they cannot offer themselves. Another case of self-righteous, black/white thinking in a world of grays. Oh is not that kind of person. If he believed Teh was ready to stand at his side for good and be dependable, he'd take him back in a heartbeat.

Unless Bas showed up to comfort him. Then all bets are off. :)

But I keep thinking back to the end of this ep. We did NOT see Teh delete the photos. We DID see him pull up to what I thought to be Oh's current apartment on the red motorcycle he is currently using. It seems unlikely he'd be riding the same cycle ten years later or that Oh would be in the same pad. This freaking wonderful show could go a hundred different ways and I'll be hanging on for the ride. If the ride takes me to Heartbreak City, so be it. I will not regret the journey.

Your position on Teh seems very judgemental to me. I don't think you "choose" to fall in love, that is a matter of emotions and desire. But you can choose what to DO or NOT DO in response to your feelings. THAT is where Teh failed. He acted on them, because Jai encouraged it, and would have taken the physical intimacy all the way if he could have. I experienced intense physical/emotional attractions to two or three people during my seven-year relationship with a partner. I chose to not act on them, in fact I distanced myself because I also loved my partner and did not want to wreck what we had.

Can you tell me where online I can see eps 5 and 6? Thank you!