Noelle

I think popularity is not the most important and it's not really that measurable either. Pretend if Bai Lu walks in any random street of China unmasked, chances of people recognizing she's Bai Lu is definitely 80-90%. To me, popularity is pretty much just like that, wherever you go people know you and even remember your name. In terms of popularity, I think that's all celeb care bc it's not only popularity that they care about, as long as people know them that's enough, they're also interested in recognitions such as awards, status/reputation, and gaining more opportunities.
About who has more followers, IDK cause people can cheat that if they want. So I don't think she is any less popular than more seniored actresses.
In terms of status as an actress, I say she's an A-lister but people these days are making up all these rules nobody can have such status unless this and that... not until they played leading roles 5-6 more times and the roles need to be all this and that... If there are lots of people online saying someone cannot be an A-lister then that does prevent them from acheiving recognitions and gaining other opportunities like advertisements and being fashion representatives. That's why there are people hiring fans to like them online, I can kind of have sympathy for those people, but I hate it when they take it to the next level and start slandering colleagues. Nobody wants to become famous, but only famous for a bad reputation. Slandering another colleague means colleagues will ignore you.
I like that Bai Lu can be herself, she can be blunt, and colleagues like her bc she's only playful but not rude and unthoughtful.

Cool cool, some fans can be unreasonable so I just wanted to get my point across in case.

Not sure if it's pertain to my comment, if it is, read carefully, I wasn't makng comparisons. Bai Lu's comments about her character was a very old thing, it wasn't a problem back then. Until TTEOM, ZLY's antis were jealous of BL's success and complain massively to force Bai Lu into apologizing. I made my stances clear on how I came to believe it's her team and evidence even linked. There's also a fight between an award. Years ago when Wu Lei was a child and won the same award as Hu Ge, they both got awarded for NIF, nobody is complaining about age group. Recognition and popularity shouldn't be judged by sex, age, and race. The "Idol" vs "Serious/True actors" thing was made up by ZLY. Before ZLY enters the industry, whether you want to have a place in bubbly roles or serious roles, you will have a career. ZLY has a long journey of years struggling to transform into a role that doesn't really match her, the "serious" character. That's due to her looking young and innocent, and her real personality is like someone who is unconfident, afraid, and undecisive. A biggest reason why Sun Li, Jiang Xin, Yin Tao, etc. are able to play such serious characters is because their true personalities have this very aggressive and determining nature. They are leaders in real life, so it isn't hard for them to play serious roles. However, it's also harder for them to play those very cutesy roles too because they have that "smarty" face on them, when someone looks too smart but need to act dumb, often time it's a pain in the as*. It's the same with why ZLY struggles, she lacks the physical form for serious characters, to put it bluntly, she lacks a smart face. However, with deep understanding it's still possible to achieve the role. It's like this, it's always easier for young looking people to act old/mature bc there are methods to look old, however it's harder for old looking people to act young bc the methods to look younger don't really work that well, not even with AI. So ZLY is lucky, looking young is a lucky thing. However, ZLY also lack understanding of acting, so it's much harder for her. To ZLY, the importance is only in the "leading" role. When she was rumored to play 2nd lead for Sun Li, she declined it and see it as a way of bullying her without looking at what the role is. For a character to be serious in her sense, they just need to look ugly with no filters on, then it means they're serious. No... yes, when serious actresses like Sun Li and Liu Tao play their serious roles, they tend to put on light/natural make up but it doesn't mean being serious is to look ugly. And then, ZLY's biggest reliant is also on marketing, when her articles praise her, all they praise her is about how she looks ugly for her so call serious roles in Wild Bloom. 😳 Well... that's not acting. And just bc your articles say you're good at acting doesn't make you good at acting either. And badmouthing other competitors doesn't make you shine more either.

Until ZLY has this massive campaign about trying super hard every year to become "serious" while others aren't trying at all, that's when this "bubbly" vs "serious" thing came about. Soon, other actresses started having very bad reputations, especially if they star in bubblier roles. Since then, any actress not playing as an agressive or vengeful woman willing to do anything to survive or acheive her goal, will get label as bad actress. Well, NOT ALL characters need to have those qualities! Also, not all scripts will make their characters sacrifice to a certain degree, different stories, different things! Got nothing to do with actors not being serious if the story is just not your taste. Years ago, people like Zhang Ting always play very bubbly roles. Never ever does anyone call her an idol who isn't a "serious" or a "true" actress. Many actresses back then can have their own area of expertise proudly, without netz saying they need to act as "everything" to prove they can act. Honestly, it's not possible for anyone to act as "everything". The truth about all these "serious" actresses like Sun Li and Liu Tao, it's not always the case about who can act better, it's also about playing what they can/should play. There's no such thing as a bad character, only bad actresses. What I mean by "bad" is also not only about bad acting either, but people who can't understand that every character matters, they all exist for reasons.
Awards should never be limited to only the "serious" characters", and it used to never be that way. If an award is only going to select serious characters then be sure to title the award "the serious characters" award. Just bc Stephen Chow focus on comedy, doesn't mean his works aren't serious, compare any random work of his to 60 episodes of Story of Minglan, Stephen Chow alone slaps everyone in the face.
Maybe in terms of having as much fans as others, Bai Lu lack it. But should recognition/status/popularity rely on those type of data? Who has the most followers on WB? If that's the case, that's too easy, WB prohibited fake accounts but water army is still such a common practice, especially for those favored by the government.
I don't agree we should judge anyone's credibility based on age, race, sex, and choice of genres. Sure, people like ZLY played in so call "serious" roles, but for someone to use "doubles" just for something simple like walking and cross the street when it's also a contemporary(xingfu) drama, I don't know how serious that is. 🤷 Do more, market less.
I vote that Bai Lu deserves more recognition, because of her talent, understanding, knowledge, and hard work in her characters. Not because of bias such as being in the industry longer, being older, being rich or poor, looking pretty or ugly, etc. To me, it's all about the talent, understanding, and dedication to work.
Ethis and values matter too, I disdain those who media attack others maliciously.

ZLY always has issues, just recently Yang Zi looks stunning in a green dress and ZLY didn't look good in her green dress. Her fans started doing ugly stuff to YZ. It's not even the same dress, just the same color for gawd's sake. And I was laughing to death cause, my gawd it doesn't even show YZ face! It only showed her great figure, her face was covered with hair! 😂😂😂😂😂 AND they're still so jealous of YZ, must be afraid of losing fashion opportunities to her. Just like how they hate ABB and DLRB, always cursing the 2 hawt ladies to quit acting cause they can't act and stick with fashion.

I honestly dislike ZLY bc she markets unlike anyone else.
Sina (owns weibo), Sohu, 163, Inf, etc. are unreliable sources but they are still substantial rumors, and often lead to official news.
Besides, all the international news we get came from those sources too BTW. So they matter!
Whether anyone uses Jaynestars, Dramapanda, Dramapotatoe, Koalasplayground, 8days, Marcus Sim, AvenueX, etc. WELL! Good luck, cause their sources came from that list. So how do you say they're unreliable? They're unreliable, but turn into real news. That's how dangerous it is.

If some people ask, how come ABB's acting is only like everyone else, so similar to ZLY but everyone says she can't act and only ZLY can act? Cause of those sources, they deliver as many as 15 news on average per week saying she can't act, relies on men (William Chan, Huang Xiaoming), relies on looks, did plastic surgery, etc.

How did YM lose her acting reputation over the year as well? Same sources, as many as 25 news on average per week comparing her with ZLY, praising ZLY of natural-beauty&kindness and debunking YM.

Everyone has nasty fans, but when fans attack, they do it on forums. ZLY markets directly on reputatable news pipelines. LMAO!

People say Zhao Lusi is a greentea and marketer. However, here's the catch. If you're a ZLS fan, then you search her up. If you're not her fan, then simple, simply don't search her up and go do your own things. If you search her up, there are some possibilities you might find her news annoying on things like Sohu and Sina, if you think she doesn't deserve to be praised. But her news doesn't bad mouth anyone else, maybe they just tend to praise her a bit. I don't know how that's a green tea marketer, but she's gaining such a reputation when I find her news just similar to everyone else's. Zhao Lusi is Zhao Lusi, her news, should be about herself, not others. I really don't find any fault with her news. However, she's just a green tea if the media says it, nothing she can do about it unless she bribes the media.

However, if you search up ZLY, her news is never about herself but others, and super deem on attacking others. If you're not a fan and you don't search up ZLY, you search up people you like i.e. Yang Mi, Yang Zi, Zhao Lusi, Bai Lu, etc. then you see them being associated with ZLY and all of them got debunked while ZLY got praised. You started noticing that hey... what the hell is going on? Everyone being under attacked and it's by the same person, ZLY?
And surprisingly, all the trusted international bloggers/Youtubers have this exact same taste.
- They all like ZLY
- They all hate YM
- They all like Nirvana in Fire (Daylight Entertainment)
- They all like Legend of Zhenhuan (Director Zheng Xiaolong).
After Daylight Ent. earns a strong foothold in China and abroad, and Zheng Xiaolong earns a reputation in China and abroad as well, then ZLY works with Daylight Ent first then work with Zheng Xiaolong next. Just being honest here, it doesn't feel coincidental at all. For ALL bloggers and Youtubers to have the same and exact taste, it's really coincidental. Then, their fave who doesn't have any special skills, no she cannot act better than everyone else like hyped, earns her next level of reputation through the agency and director content makers groomed and hyped. OFC there was this one ridiculous time when a rumor says YM will work with Daylight Ent. and then a swarm of army claiming to be YM's fans got hired to go protest on the street. VERY BE-LEAVE-ABLE. Yeah, that's totally un-sketchy. We all know after Jackie Chan's generation and a few people younger than him, there will no longer be anymore mainland Chinese that can make it international. ZLY's choice of friending LBB is likely due to wanting international resources like LBB. Maybe that's why we have bloggers paving a path for her. I know the government will give ZLY the special permission to become international, but I didn't think she need to market so spitefully.

It is so common for artists to have shareholdings of companies! The media just hate her. The only difference between her and other artists is, she's a profesional, that's all. She takes responsibilities and leadership roles, others don't, they choose to look after themselves. I say, she really paves a way for women to become leaders. She went through so much cyberbullying and hate, but maybe the next generation walking her foot steps will receive it less (hopefully). Seeing that there are still more hate than admiration, I'm not very skeptical. Rumors say she is the CEO, she casts people, she has bad tastes and casts same dumb crew over and over, or is bias and picks her young lovers and overlook newer members, etc. No matter how badly the media and antis are, she never mistreats her agency and crew just because the media gives them a bad name. She did all that when she is actually only a small shareholder, not CEO. That is one loyal dog.
People always talk as if it's easy for artists to buy themselves out of their contracts, hell... it's expensive to death. Maybe it's easy for those with sugardaddies? It's also expensive to invest as a shareholder, unless you have sugardaddies to give you free money to invest then you wouldn't bother nurturing the agency? But if you're an independent woman like YM, you used your own money into this thing then you wouldn't allow it to crumble and lose profit. She cared after her agency like a good employee caring after the company when they're not the owner, cause if you're smart you should know if the company falls then you're also out of job. One can say she has very good work ethics. She has the ability to pay the media to speak nicely of her agency as well, but her star power is enough that even if the media trashes them, they still make money, so why waste money on those fake media? The media only hates her cause she wouldn't pay them a penny! Some artists like ZLY bribes the media decently. YM gives them nothing so they call her out as a stingy woman. Those who pays the media to speak nicely of their agencies, productions, artists, are only losing money and slaving for the media, their stuff are equally crappy (or even crappier), and sometimes they don't even make much money because they don't have true star power. They don't make much money, and they still have to lose a whole lot more to the media and marketing. They don't have real fans, and people don't like their productions like how they lie online, they have to lie forever, it's sad!
Although JW was never that good, it wasn't shameless to play evil marketing either. It's their loss to lose YM, there won't be another YM. She worked hard enough that she can leave the company nonchalantly. They know they owe it to her.

Take that haters! That's totally a slap in the face to some people! YM haters are either paid antis, or stupidly blind people.
She is accused of being stingy and greedy for money. How long is she in this industry? SINCE FOREVER! Some artists, after 1 hit, they refuse to step down from playing support roles and getting 2nd bill and below. YM is willing to cameo and play support roles many times already. And, she doesn't care about top billing either. She is the most humble and best leader. This is why she earns respect from colleagues from top down, whether they are seniors or juniors.
Yes, the media hates her very much and say ugly stuff about her all the time, but are those things the truth? Only yes if anyone is stupidly blind, or like I said earlier, purposedly paid to talk shit. What the media says, and what a person does in action, are 2 different things. So the media says very kind things about some actresses and that make them angels when they actually do very dirty things behind others back? Always look at the person's actions, people! Celebrities know best how the entertainment circle work. If all celebrities like YM despite the media attacking her, that means she's true gold. If all celebrities hate somebody but the media only has nice things to say about her, that means she's a fake and colleagues know it best, better than outsiders, that's why they avoided her to stay out trouble. Whenever YM speaks, she uses her own voice, her own words. She doesn't hire news editors to put words in for her. She doesn't act silence on people either, or use fans to bark. This is why she is true gold. This billing war really need to stop. Actors aren't suppose to reveal or even talk about it. It became a thing where competitors hire others to dig the information to make whoever didn't get top bill lose face, especially when they are more experienced or playing the lead role. Glad YM is taking lead to stop this inhumaness. Haters will find all excuses. They say YM can do this cause she's powerful, others don't have this power so they can only stay quiet. Funny how she's so powerful but she doesn't have any power to control the media. Maybe she can, she can make the media brag about her, but she chose not to, she chose to use her power to do good things! The right things! Those with real power and they can control the media, do we ever see them speaking up to help anyone else other than their own self? Nope! Funny how some people always brag how senior they are but never ever show any good leadership, and they are the ones hiring antis against YM everyday.
YM is a senior, although the media refuses to acknowledge it, but YM plays a good leader no matter how others attack her. After this many years of being cyber bullied, she never gave in and use evil marketing, she always relies on her voice.

🙄 Goodness christ, I didn't write those hateful newsletter, just go ask who's hiring them. Always spreading lies and gossips about anybody who's trending. It's so obvious who's behind all the mess, always the same person. If I don't explain, people are gonna go to Yang Zi's page and say she's jealous of Bai Lu's success, or, people will think Bai Lu is the problematic one since she has beef with everyone, but thing is the tabloids are all made up things from that somebody. Why the hell complain about gossips if you do not dare to acknowledge who keeps hiring these gossips to spread? I don't see nobody else markets the way ZLY does, nothing against her, but her team needs to stop this none sense and over obssession of becoming world's number 1 actress. If she has any competency, do it ethically and without dragging others down!!!

IDK how the hell they made it to the ending already, when they hate this show. While those who love this show don't even have a chance to watch it yet cause they still stuck at work now.

Like... just how many Xianxia before this show didn't have similar ending? It's not even a thing to complain about anymore, if not this then that, haters will always come up with something.

Why? Cause of jealousy from competitors.

If anyone loves the Dunhuang murals fairy styling, I really recommend the famous dance drama Silk Road Flower Rain <<丝路花雨>> AKA "Along the Silk Road"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bniJVoULD0

I watched this master piece of work ages ago. Bai Lu's goddess air is very similar, I feel that she understands the expectations very well from those who love Silk Road Flower Rain.

It's a dance drama so no words spoken, no need to understand Chinese language or get Eng sub. It started with two fairies dancing in the sky and throwing flowers.
Then the story began. One day, a young girl (Yingniang) and her father saved a Persian merchant in the desert. Then she got kidnapped into a dancing troop. After many years, she was forced to perform on the street and was publicly abused. She met her father again and they reunited through the help of the Persian merchant they saved. Her father was tasked to paint in the Mogao cave, he doesn't know what to paint for the center peice. Seeing Yingniang dance with the pipa so attractively, he painted her with the pipa. Happiness didn't last long, a tyrant wanted to force a marriage with Yingniang, so she escaped to Persia with the merchant. The tyrant imprisoned her father in the Mogao cave. Years later, she returned to China and her father was murdered by the tyrant and robbers along the silk road. Yingniang and the merchant disguised as dancers to expose the tyrant's injustice. She danced with a long silk explaining the story. The king punished the evil doers.

I don't know if it's because Yingniang is the first dancer I saw with a pipa so it's why she's my favorite, everytime I compare another dancer with a pipa they are never as good as Yingniang in my eyes. The silk dance at the end is my favorite, beautifully done.
I bet if there is another dance drama again Luo Yunxi can totally slew it. 😄

I don't think it was a bad ending, at least it wasn't a blood spitting one. Well only LSS did spat some blood earlier and then when she turned into her goddess form, it's nothing but all beauty, calmness, wisdom. etc. LOVE Bai Lu in her goddess form, no one can nail it any better.
In the other Xianxias... one of the lovers usually ends up dying during misunderstandings, their mess are still not clean up but since one is dead all is forgiven... The scenes after LSS fell from the tower is the good example, most Xianxia would ended there like that. But in this ending, they understood the fate and accepted it, it's bittersweet.

LMAO

Hm... share me the job please?

Cause you gonna watch it LOL, and one of the very first to watch it ahead of others. 🤭🤭🤭

If they wanna share their opinions, Imma share mine too, so don't they be hurt 🤭 cause if they can share theirs I can share mine too LMAO.

Also sharing my opinion, that hurts you? 🤭🤭🤭

You're crazy enough to finish the drama way ahead of me, many of us hyper fans cannot finish it until end of the day when we done with work. Cause the last episode just came out not so long ago... and you're one of the very first people to rush as soon as it came out then calling it average... hehe... do you not work? Or is it your job to smack things competiting against your agency?

I find most Xianxia boring, I do consider AOL one of the betterly paced and less draggy to watch. It has great OST and CGI. If you read the discussions on AOL page, fans of the leads were angry thinking he took too much screentime, it's true he does have decent amount of screentime but I find his arc overly important and way more interesting. It's even scary to talk about it bc there are 2 huge teams, 1 team likes the leads and hate LYX and his role. The other team hates the leads thinking they are selfish, foolish, and inconsiderate while they like LYX and his role despite that it's the evil role. I'm with the 2nd team, nothing against the leads but I blame the writing for making them so irresponsible and knowing nothing except being in love.

It's competition. She's currently top list now. I think I know at least 1 powerful person behind it. I think BL is also nominated for Magnolia, some so call prestigious award. Zhao Liying is DESPERATE for that award. Earlier, ZLY's news editors wrote all over the place that if she won then Yang Mi will be super jealous. Then, her team goes on to say Bai Lu doesn't deserve it.
The newsletters look like these: https://news.sohu.com/a/672292013_121438382
There is no issue between BL and Yang Zi but they made things up to make it look like BL acts diva towards everyone, and they put the fake dispute between Yang Zi vs BL in the title, and first story, to accuse Yang Zi of jealousy. But I already know the editors were hired by ZLY's team bc when it came to the comparison with ZLY's paragraph at the botton, it's always the same tone ZLY team always use: "gap between Zhao Liying and Bai Lu is comparable to the gap between the Himalayas and the Asian Trench", that's the same sentence ZLY team says all the time. And they were jealous enough of BL's dress to photoshop ZLY's face into it, thinking she looks better in it: https://www.sohu.com/a/672707062_121670115
Everytime a new actress is trending, e.g. Zhao Lusi and Esther Yu, same thing, it's always this same team.