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Thanks. I already made a discussion 'Mu Deok, Ice Stone & Blind Girl Theroy after EP 8' yesterday. I made a new discussion to focus on Mu Deok identities. I posted here to let other know my theories and to get more ideas.
I hope people stop commenting about 'S2 or part 2' cos S1 hasn't even ended yet. I don't want any negative in the S1 comments session. Pls, use a spoiler option at least. Of course, I skipped all those comments. I am not trying to fight. Just mentioning my wish.
I can only agree about one theory is that Mu-Deok being blind has something to do with the Ice Stone and that…
I think you got it wrong. Maybe, you don't really understand what I mean. I know that the 1st theory is farfetch; that's why I named crazy. I put crazy cos I could be wrong too. I am not saying my theory is right. 'ML has his own soul, not late king's.' - I didn't say that the king's soul was transferred into ML. ML was born with King's soul and Jang Gang's body. He got his only soul and body. I am just saying similarity between FL & ML as being soul-shifter.
So, I looked through ep 1-8 again to look for reasons why Jin Bu-Yeon could be Mu Deok & blind girl at the same time. Here is in detail. ==========================================================
Jin Mu / Fake Danju â Main villain? From Cheonbugwan. Wanted Gwanju position from the king. Assistant of Jang.
Songrim is main mage place. Danhyanggok is a villain place & where Naksu grows up.
26:50 â Why is she able to see? No, blue mark too. Cos she is the ice stone.
29:58 - Mu Deok is a blind girl and orphanage from the countryside who got sold for debt after her guardian (an old woman) die of illness. (Is this a true bg story or just make-up. And I havenât seen real MD talks or sing through 8 episodes.)
33:50 â The first recall of Naksuâs memory. 20 years ago? She is definitely older than 4 heirs then.
36:46 â Ju-wol, the head of the courtesan?
EP 2
2:28 â Jang Gang probably took revenge on the king by not letting his son become a king. Jang Gan could use the kingâs written scroll to make Jang Uk the king before the kingâs brother took the throne but he didnât. We didnât know how the king died too. Why would the king leave the throne to his brother when he finally impregnated a woman? Jin Mu took an easier route by following the current king & crown prince cos ML is basically useless as his energy was sealed. He wouldnât want to go against Jang Gangâs command too.
EP 3
22:50
Jipsu, is the ability to gather water.
Ryusu, is the ability to gain energy from the flow of water.
Chisu, is the ability to control the energy in the atmosphere.
35:41 â He probably checked FLâs ear to hurt her ear.
47:15 â Mention of Jin Cho Yeonâs sister.
1:04:12 â CP has reached the highest stage of the 2nd step, Ryusu. Seo Yul too. Queen & Yulâs father (general) are siblings.
EP 4
2:50 â FLâs dad definitely saw the kingâs star. (Jang Gang turned him into a soul shifter and let him run wild. Then, killed him so that others wonât be able to find fault in him. This further proved that he didnât want Uk to become the king when the late king wanted his heir to take the throne.)
11:21 â Hwansu is the highest level? Only 2 people have reached this level.
1:11:47 â Sari village was where MD was from.
40 â Jinâs leader actually loves her elder daughter. XD
EP 5
20:45 â Two Mu Deok instead of Naksu soul inside soul-shifting realm? Mu Deok is shaping Naksu's soul into her own? Or is this a mistake by a director?
24:12 â âThere is a great soul dwelling inside that small body.â (Is the great soul the soul of a blind girl from 200 years ago? Or Naksuâs soul?)
EP 6
15:40 â Park Jin remembers singing at Master Lee 100th birthday.
44 â Jin Bu-yeon will return.
EP 7
1:15 â Then, enormous hailstones started falling from the sky. First Jinâs leader didnât have an ice stone in her.
3:01 â One man to two persons (Songrim & Jin leader). Half of the Ice stone was dissolved into Jinâs Leader (Mu Deok)?
Is MD keep on reborn into Jinâs family again and again? (Like Elizabeth in the âSeven deadly sins' anime.)
40:10 â âShe is here. Who? It is her, the blind girl. It is the ice stone.â
42:50 â Only Jin members can open Jinyowon so the Jin Mu? But his mother is not Jin.
Jin Ho-Gyeong â Current Jinâs leader.
53:25 â Jinâs family surname is given to those with mothers from Jin's family. So, Jin Ho-Gyeongâs father got Jin Mu from a woman out of Jin's family.
1:03:00 â Cheonbugwan mage named Cho Chung from 20 years ago is Naksuâs father. FLâs dad is a soul shifter and runs wild. Changed by Jang Gang or Jin Mu/Danju.
21:35 - Heo Yun-ok, granddaughter of Seo Heo Yeom.
Gil-ju â assistant of Jin Mu.
Real Danju is the queen. Queen is from the Choi family.
FL doesnât have any grudge against 4 families anymore. But the cause of her family's death was cos of MLâs birth. But I think she will forgive him cos he didnât choose to be born at that time anyway. Itâs not his fault. Imo, it is Jang Gang or Danji fault.
Go Won â Crown Prince
Hemp Master Lee, a pupil of master Seo Gyeong.
52:29 â ââŠdestroyed by Master Seo Gyeong and the leader of Jinyowon 200 years ago?â
Crazy theory â Blind girl from 200 years ago was split into two, Naksu and Bu-yeon (Mu Deok). Now, they are reunited; one has a strong soul and another has the power to control ice stone.
Another crazy theory â Blind girl is reborn as Bu-Yeon. Then, got a new name Mu Deok when adopted by an old woman after she got lost and got amnesia. But MD is weak due to ice stone so she took Naksuâs soul to get strong. So, there are two separate souls in one body but it can handle cos of ice stone. As both souls want to get strong, they will protect ML and get stronger together. Will the two souls merge into one or one will overtake the other?
So, FL is also just like ML. The body is from the Jin family but the soul in control rn is Naksu.
ML's body is from Jang but the soul is from the late king.
Danju is the head of villain who is the queen. In ep 8, it said that she had ice stone to stop soul shifter from running wild. Probably half ice stone or part of the ice stone.
We saw that the woman who did the rain ritual was a blindfolded girl. Then, she appeared again when the ice stone was destroyed in ep 7.
So, here is my theory.
Blind girl (200 years old) + Ice Stone = Mu Deok*.
She probably becomes weak after dissolving half of the ice stone just like soul shifting side effect. She needed someone with a strong soul to get strong like before. So, when Naksu did soul shifting, she saw it as an opportunity and took her in. She is still weaker than Naksu right now and she needed Jang Uk to get strong so she kept him safe too. She might take back control of the body later on or she will choose to go to another body cos she supports ML & FL love. XD
Mu Deok is the leader of Jinyowon so she can open the Jinyowon door easily. I also think that you can open that door easily with ice stone too cos it is the strongest artefact in that world.
Side note: Mu Deok is 200 years old while Jang Uk is 20 years old.
I don't think Mu Deok is the Jin family's lost daughter at all.
Could someone pls explain why she is the Jin family's lost daughter? I saw a lot of comments saying she is but no strong proof.
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For another half-ice stone, the queen has it and we will have to see more episodes to get a better understanding of the ice stone.
He didn't want to die alone and he was jealous of her cos he had never win her. So, he wanted to drag her to death…
Half Ice stone. Ice stone probably got cut into two by 2 leaders. Pls, read my whole theory in the discussion 'Mu Deok, Ice Stone & Blind Girl Theroy after EP 8'.
I find it kinda weird how ppl say this would be such a good drama but the ending ruined it. I mean didn't the…
I will just say why the ending is very important and how it can affect previous episodes. If a person did all good deeds in his life, and then, murdered a lot of people in the end. Do people still think of him as a good person? Probably no. That's how FL & ML characters got changed in the last 2 episodes. The ending was too rushed that it couldn't convince most viewers why they never get back together. And why are they still longing for each other? Pls, stop longing if you are going to let go of your love. Don't you feel bad for your future partner? This would have been a masterpiece but the ending ruined it. Even people who don't like the ending will say that this drama is good.
Ep 16:46 minutes - July 1998.FL: 18 at 1998. 21 at 2001.ML: 22 at 1998. 25 at 2001.EP 445:53 â FLâs mum said,…
Another 2 points why they should be together; FL's diary (Keeping a diary just cos they ended their relationship on good terms? This doesn't make sense to me.) Why do they still love each other if they decided to let go? This will only make them suffer. Think about how their partners would feel? They got married but their partner is longing for their ex. This will only make all four of them suffer. This will only make them suffer. How is this a 'real' ending? I love how she (OppasBitch ) wrote about the word 'real'. That comment was one month ago.
Pls comment on S2 page instead
No!!!!!!!!No!!!!!!!!No!!!!!!!!
'ML has his own soul, not late king's.' - I didn't say that the king's soul was transferred into ML. ML was born with King's soul and Jang Gang's body. He got his only soul and body. I am just saying similarity between FL & ML as being soul-shifter.
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Jin Mu / Fake Danju â Main villain? From Cheonbugwan. Wanted Gwanju position from the king. Assistant of Jang.
Songrim is main mage place. Danhyanggok is a villain place & where Naksu grows up.
Places: Songrim, Jeongjingak. Sejukwon. Jinyowon. Cheonbugwan. Chwiseonru.
Gwigu â soul catcher creature.
Master Seo Gyeong â the founder of Songrim.
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EP 1
20 years later? After ML was born?
26:50 â Why is she able to see? No, blue mark too. Cos she is the ice stone.
29:58 - Mu Deok is a blind girl and orphanage from the countryside who got sold for debt after her guardian (an old woman) die of illness. (Is this a true bg story or just make-up. And I havenât seen real MD talks or sing through 8 episodes.)
33:50 â The first recall of Naksuâs memory. 20 years ago? She is definitely older than 4 heirs then.
36:46 â Ju-wol, the head of the courtesan?
EP 2
2:28 â Jang Gang probably took revenge on the king by not letting his son become a king. Jang Gan could use the kingâs written scroll to make Jang Uk the king before the kingâs brother took the throne but he didnât. We didnât know how the king died too. Why would the king leave the throne to his brother when he finally impregnated a woman? Jin Mu took an easier route by following the current king & crown prince cos ML is basically useless as his energy was sealed. He wouldnât want to go against Jang Gangâs command too.
EP 3
22:50
Jipsu, is the ability to gather water.
Ryusu, is the ability to gain energy from the flow of water.
Chisu, is the ability to control the energy in the atmosphere.
35:41 â He probably checked FLâs ear to hurt her ear.
47:15 â Mention of Jin Cho Yeonâs sister.
1:04:12 â CP has reached the highest stage of the 2nd step, Ryusu. Seo Yul too. Queen & Yulâs father (general) are siblings.
EP 4
2:50 â FLâs dad definitely saw the kingâs star. (Jang Gang turned him into a soul shifter and let him run wild. Then, killed him so that others wonât be able to find fault in him. This further proved that he didnât want Uk to become the king when the late king wanted his heir to take the throne.)
11:21 â Hwansu is the highest level? Only 2 people have reached this level.
1:11:47 â Sari village was where MD was from.
40 â Jinâs leader actually loves her elder daughter. XD
EP 5
20:45 â Two Mu Deok instead of Naksu soul inside soul-shifting realm? Mu Deok is shaping Naksu's soul into her own? Or is this a mistake by a director?
24:12 â âThere is a great soul dwelling inside that small body.â (Is the great soul the soul of a blind girl from 200 years ago? Or Naksuâs soul?)
EP 6
15:40 â Park Jin remembers singing at Master Lee 100th birthday.
44 â Jin Bu-yeon will return.
EP 7
1:15 â Then, enormous hailstones started falling from the sky. First Jinâs leader didnât have an ice stone in her.
3:01 â One man to two persons (Songrim & Jin leader). Half of the Ice stone was dissolved into Jinâs Leader (Mu Deok)?
Is MD keep on reborn into Jinâs family again and again? (Like Elizabeth in the âSeven deadly sins' anime.)
40:10 â âShe is here. Who? It is her, the blind girl. It is the ice stone.â
42:50 â Only Jin members can open Jinyowon so the Jin Mu? But his mother is not Jin.
Jin Ho-Gyeong â Current Jinâs leader.
53:25 â Jinâs family surname is given to those with mothers from Jin's family. So, Jin Ho-Gyeongâs father got Jin Mu from a woman out of Jin's family.
1:03:00 â Cheonbugwan mage named Cho Chung from 20 years ago is Naksuâs father. FLâs dad is a soul shifter and runs wild. Changed by Jang Gang or Jin Mu/Danju.
EP 8
2 â MDâs subtle smile. XD MD can travel freely inside soul shifting realm.
21:35 - Heo Yun-ok, granddaughter of Seo Heo Yeom.
Gil-ju â assistant of Jin Mu.
Real Danju is the queen. Queen is from the Choi family.
FL doesnât have any grudge against 4 families anymore. But the cause of her family's death was cos of MLâs birth. But I think she will forgive him cos he didnât choose to be born at that time anyway. Itâs not his fault. Imo, it is Jang Gang or Danji fault.
Go Won â Crown Prince
Hemp Master Lee, a pupil of master Seo Gyeong.
52:29 â ââŠdestroyed by Master Seo Gyeong and the leader of Jinyowon 200 years ago?â
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Crazy theory â Blind girl from 200 years ago was split into two, Naksu and Bu-yeon (Mu Deok). Now, they are reunited; one has a strong soul and another has the power to control ice stone.
Another crazy theory â Blind girl is reborn as Bu-Yeon. Then, got a new name Mu Deok when adopted by an old woman after she got lost and got amnesia. But MD is weak due to ice stone so she took Naksuâs soul to get strong. So, there are two separate souls in one body but it can handle cos of ice stone. As both souls want to get strong, they will protect ML and get stronger together. Will the two souls merge into one or one will overtake the other?
So, FL is also just like ML. The body is from the Jin family but the soul in control rn is Naksu.
ML's body is from Jang but the soul is from the late king.
3:01 â One man to two persons (Songrim leader & Jinyowon leader). Half of the Ice stone was dissolved into Jin Leader (Mu Deok)?
40:10 Minutes - âShe is here. Who? It is her, the blind girl. It is the ice stone.â
I think these relics are saying she is the Jinyowon leader.
EP 8
52:29 â ââŠdestroyed by Master Seo Gyeong and the leader of Jinyowon 200 years ago?â
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We saw that the woman who did the rain ritual was a blindfolded girl. Then, she appeared again when the ice stone was destroyed in ep 7.
So, here is my theory.
Blind girl (200 years old) + Ice Stone = Mu Deok*.
She probably becomes weak after dissolving half of the ice stone just like soul shifting side effect. She needed someone with a strong soul to get strong like before. So, when Naksu did soul shifting, she saw it as an opportunity and took her in. She is still weaker than Naksu right now and she needed Jang Uk to get strong so she kept him safe too. She might take back control of the body later on or she will choose to go to another body cos she supports ML & FL love. XD
Mu Deok is the leader of Jinyowon so she can open the Jinyowon door easily. I also think that you can open that door easily with ice stone too cos it is the strongest artefact in that world.
Side note: Mu Deok is 200 years old while Jang Uk is 20 years old.
I don't think Mu Deok is the Jin family's lost daughter at all.
Could someone pls explain why she is the Jin family's lost daughter? I saw a lot of comments saying she is but no strong proof.
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For another half-ice stone, the queen has it and we will have to see more episodes to get a better understanding of the ice stone.
Pls, read my whole theory in the discussion 'Mu Deok, Ice Stone & Blind Girl Theroy after EP 8'.
If a person did all good deeds in his life, and then, murdered a lot of people in the end. Do people still think of him as a good person? Probably no.
That's how FL & ML characters got changed in the last 2 episodes. The ending was too rushed that it couldn't convince most viewers why they never get back together.
And why are they still longing for each other? Pls, stop longing if you are going to let go of your love. Don't you feel bad for your future partner?
This would have been a masterpiece but the ending ruined it. Even people who don't like the ending will say that this drama is good.
FL's diary (Keeping a diary just cos they ended their relationship on good terms? This doesn't make sense to me.)
Why do they still love each other if they decided to let go? This will only make them suffer. Think about how their partners would feel? They got married but their partner is longing for their ex. This will only make all four of them suffer.
This will only make them suffer. How is this a 'real' ending?
I love how she (OppasBitch ) wrote about the word 'real'.
That comment was one month ago.