Platinum Fox

I was thinking of watching Dear Hongrang. How is it?

Yes, I have often wondered about the gathering of evidence and pictures. However, they could say that the pictures have been doctored, but the main thing is you would have to find a police officer who wasn't on the take or will stand up to the rich and powerful.

Lees, I understand why people are angry at Baek Seom. I understand that people think the Baek Seom betrayed his friends. But who is Baek Seom really? Baek Seom is the product of his home life, the product of the complacency of parents and teachers towards bullying, and the product of the idea that bullying is just children having fun. Who's having fun? He is also a member of the rich and powerful elite. His father is a congressman. All the rich and powerful students are afraid of Suho. The rich and powerful students want revenge on Suho as he has repeatedly made them look like fools.

Since Suho would not allow Baek Seom to use an actual weapon, Baek Seom chooses money as his weapon. He pays someone (who also has a grudge against Suho) to beat him up. This is the way of the rich and powerful. If it hadn't been for Baek Seom switching sides, the story would have come to a grinding halt. Baek Seom's dad wants him to be a leader. He does using his money and solving the problem of Suho. However, because of everything that has happened in his life and others' lives, they all go too far. Suho becomes a scapegoat for every problem that happens to the rich and powerful kids.

Hope this helps and thank you for the discussion.

Don't worry, they can't pull a Mr. Queen. Neither the queen nor Bong (the main male character) leave their body ( we never see their spirits). Yun Gap's spirit has left his body and Gang Cheol has just borrowed Yun Gap's physical body. Gang Cheol is not experiencing anything that would be distinctly Yun Gap. The feelings he is feeling are all his. In Mr. Queen, Bong experiences the queen's memories, her feelings for the king, and other things that are distinctly related to the queen.

You should really watch Mr. Queen it is hilarious.

They can't pull a Mr. Queen here very different scenario. In Mr. Queen, Bong wakes up in the body of the queen and Bong imagines the queen running around in his body. Also, at one point he awakens in his own body but can't speak to anyone. When he goes back his voice is now her voice, and he begins to remember what she remembers, so she is still in her body just unconscious. She is slowly waking up. After the king has achieved his goal, she fully awakens and acts just like she did when Bong was in her body. However, she speaks with honorifics (which Bong didn't do). So the king does say he thinks something is missing.

Here Gang Cheol has just borrowed Yun Gap's dead body, so that he can get the stone away from Yeo Ri. Once he does that he can't get back out again and has to stay in it until he ascends. Other spirits can jump in and out bodies, but they are usually live bodies not dead. Yun Gap's spirit has completely left his body. It is why you see two Yun Gap's at the very beginning: his physical body and his spirit. Gang Cheol is not experiencing anything that happened to the real Yun Gap. That is why is it different than Mr. Queen.

In Mr. Queen you never see neither the queen's or Bong's spirits. Throughout the drama, Bong begins to get her memories and feelings. This means that she is still in her body just asleep. Once everything has been handled she becomes fully awake and acts just like Bong. The only difference is she uses honorifics. The ending of Mr. Queen is very appropriate.

Hope this helps.

I think the feud is about how Baku taught Baekjin how to fight. Instead of using his fighting skills for good, Baekjin becomes a part of the Union. Since we have no clear background on Baekjin, it is hard to say. All we know is that Baku will never teach another person to fight because of Baekjin.

That scene was very telling. For me, it almost made it seem like Baek Seom had died and he is asking Si Eun to join him in death. Si Eun makes it clear that he will not join him, and he must get back with his friends. The other interpretation is that Baek Seom is asking him to come join him the Philippines or to just plain run away. Just my take.

Not only did he betray her trust, but Niao Niao felt they were not on the same page when it comes to love. LBY over and over states that husbands and wives are one and should tell each other everything. Yet, the biggest secret of his life she has to find out after he has completed his revenge (the day before their wedding). Before the revenge act, she has an inkling that he not LBY but HSW. She just needs to hear it from him. He never tells her, yet she is supposed to tell him everything. How is that being one and equal in a relationship?

For me, she does the smartest thing she can do and break it off with him. In the end, she is the one who saves him. At the time, he doesn't regret his decision to get revenge. Later, he comes to regret it and realizes that she was right in doing what she did.

Resa put it in a nutshell. Hope this helps. Happy drama watching.

You are not the only one who has commented on this. There have been many discussions about the mother and her treatment of Niao Niao. When looked at through a historical lens, her mother is actually quite progressive in her discipline of Niao Niao (NN). The mother is deeply concerned about how if NN were to get married, how the husband's family would discipline her if NN were to get revenge for every little thing someone does to her (which she does now). Remember mom has been through a divorce (we don't know why, but we can infer that it had something to do with her behavior). Mom doesn't want the same thing happening to NN. So her actions may look like she doesn't love NN, but in reality she is trying everything she can change her daughter's behavior.

NN acts like any 15 year old. She is impulsive, unruly, and illiterate. However, she is intelligent in the ways of building things (traps). Her mother is constantly trying to get NN to be and act like the other girls, but NN resists. NN also felt like she was abandon and everyone around her says that her parents abandon her. This leads to trust issues. Why should she automatically love her parents, just because they are her parents? She meets them for the first time when she is 15.

For me, the mother loves her daughter deeply, but has yet to build a trusting relationship with her. This will not happen over night as NN has trust issues and rightly so with how Aunt Ge and the grandmother treated her throughout the 15 years the parents have been away. I have noticed that parents during this time period don't seem to hug their children much. So what is parental love and how is it shown? It is making sure that the children can be contributing members of society. jmo

I normally don't watch fantasy either, but I love ghosts, spirits, and zombies (if done right). Not a fan of werewolves and vampires.

Just read IsebellaSnow's comment and it seems like a plausible theory, but again I have to ask why is the 8 ft. creature sad? Happy drama watching!

Yes, so could we say that the 8 ft creature is the person who saved this child and died to keep the secret. The behavior of the 8 ft. creature is what interests me the most as it seems when it was alive it was someone who took orders from the royals. Did this creature have do something it didn't want to do and therefore it is sad? Yeo Ri and Gang Cheol both say that spirits themselves are not bad, but are made to do bad things, so is the 8 ft. creature doing something that he doesn't want to do? When he possesses the blind shaman, he tells him that he is the one who saw him, maybe hoping that Gang Cheol, being a deity, can help him from being used for evil purposes.

The other thing I found interesting is that when the blind shaman is himself he is blind, when he is possessed he can see. So it is almost as if the blind shaman is possessed with the 8 ft. creature. The 8 ft. creature can go in out of people's bodies because they are alive. Gang Cheol can't because his body is dead.

We also have the introduction of a new royal male who could possibly take over the throne if something happened to the king and crown prince. He is innocent and pure, not like the queen dowager's son. Is he a distant relative of this vengeful spirit?

These are just my thoughts. Thanks for the discussion.

I'm just as confused as you! However, I think I understand what the spirit was saying. The royal bloodline isn't just the present king, the king's father and mother, the grandfather, etc. Remember a king might have more than one son. What happens to those other sons who are not named crown prince? They are still part of the royal bloodline, but are not really noteworthy in the archives of the royal family unless they by chance become king. Their descendants would also be considered of royal blood and have a shot at the throne if something were to happen to the present king and his descendants.

Throughout the first 9 episodes we all assumed that the attack on the village took place 13 year ago (at least I did) because that is when the king's father died when the 8 ft. creature possessed him. In episode 10 we learn that the 8 ft creature was indeed born many years before that, 100 years ago. So this grudge has been around for at least 100 years and finally the present day king is doing something about it whereas the past kings didn't.

Remember in the first episode, Yeo Ri says something to the effect, if people knew that what they do affects future generations would they act differently? All kings (past and present) have the shadows of what their predecessors did. Will the king and people learn from the past or just go about their daily lives and not change the way they think. If Gang Cheol has been wandering the earth for a pure vessel and finally found one after 87 years (Yeo Ri), what does that say about the human race? jmo

Jun Tae went to the cops, and the cops were like we will take of it. However, did they actually take care of it? They called Na Baek Jin and he sent goons to get the paper back, so what person would trust the cops who are being paid off by the Union.

This just shows you that this problem is bigger than just the boys themselves. The issue of bullying is complacent among the parents, school staff, the cops, and the students. Until you change the mindset of the everyone. There will always be Na Baek Jin's.

Baek Seom (BS) is the product of his home environment, the complacency of the teachers and parents to bullying, and the students' beliefs that bullying is just a part of life. Get to the root of the problem instead of just covering up the symptoms.

BS also realized that his money would buy him power in the group he changes to. Remember everyone is afraid of Suho, including the rich kids. When BS finds a way to get rid of Suho, he becomes the leader of the group, not just a minion of Suho. The group he changes to are more like him in the long run. They are rich and able to buy people to do their dirty work. In this way Suho becomes the scapegoat for everything wrong with rich group. Suho has power, but not money. He comes from the wrong side of the tracks. The rich kids can't stand that.

At the end, Bai Qian's status changes because she is married to Ye Hwa the crown prince who will become the heavenly lord when the heavenly lord dies or abdicates the throne. DD's character takes over being the fox queen.

As for her siblings, many cdramas are like that. They only write in the ones who are important to the story. I am sure they are off fighting in a war some where.

I am curious as to what you discovered.

I disagree. Suho does do something that makes Baek Seom change sides. Suho doesn't allow him to get revenge on the bullies of his previous school. Suho calls him a pathetic loser because he switches to the other side. A true friend would have helped Baek Seom get revenge and help him not cross the line. Instead Suho holds him back.

Ask yourself, if Baek Seom would have been able to get back at the bullies from his previous school, would the scenario that played out have happened?

Episode 9 is the bridge between the build up and the take down. It is the turning point of the story. We now know why the blind shaman is working with the grandfather and the left state minister. The bad guys know about the good guys and the good guys know about the bad guys. We now know the reason why the grandfather is against the present king. We have Gang Cheol realizing he loves Yeo Ri and Yeo Ri realizing that she loves Gang Cheol. Now what will the fallout be from all of this? Gang Cheol loses his powers because love makes us weak. Bibi is around to keep them all alive.

I have noticed that if there is any kind of romantic insinuation between the main leads then the drama is rated PG-13. This includes kissing and the thought of them sleeping together. I discovered this while watching Jewel in the Palace and Jewel in the Crown. Jewel in the Palace is rated G. It didn't have any kissing, but it did have hugging. There was also no bedroom scene. It was a wonderful drama, but I was always saying, "Just kiss her.". On the other hand, Jewel in the Crown had several kisses and there are many times where it is insinuated that the king and female lead slept together. Just my observation.

No, just in a coma.