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<3 Glad you liked it as much as I did

Looks like a side project with the same cast as Lover Merman. I wonder who decided to write and film this. The cast themselves, during breaks?

Well now we know why BL/GL studios tend to rely on pre-written novels to adapt to a visual medium. They're definitely good at making it look pretty, but the expertise needed for writing a strong plot isn't necessarily there.

I did enjoy this. Especially the beginning was adorable, and watching women beat up creeps is also a thing I enjoy. But yeah no it's not very good on the whole. I guess this proves that GL doesn't always need to be good for me to enjoy it lol.

But I think if this had been cut down to 6 or 8 episodes, with some plotlines that weren't really connected well to the rest of the plot removed, like the illness, it could've been pretty good.

Omg no, AI writing has invaded the reviews :(
This series really is good though, still try it!

Thanks :)

They just performed one scene in the GL reality show 'Love Moment'. 15 years later and the chemistry is still there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DB2qb1ZYo

Idk I dropped Poisonous Love too, but I don't see the point of fandom wars. Increasing the amount of judgement and hostility within a fandom is going to bite everyone in the ass eventually, because it's going to make everyone defensive, and when people are defensive they become very mean and uncommunicative. And then you get a vicious cycle of two sides of a debate getting meaner and meaner to each other. I'd personally really prefer to avoid that.

My personal preference is 100% with shows like Love Design, Queendom and Somewhere Somehow, rather than shows like Denied Love, Poisonous Love and Dangerous Queen, but I think both types of shows could coexist without much trouble.

Contrapoints has a really good video essay dissecting Twilight and 50 Shades that dives into why some women like fictional sexual harassers who don't take no for an answer, and why that doesn't translate into liking them in real life.

According to conservative societal norms women aren't supposed to have sexual desires because that's supposedly indecent and impure and unfeminine. Women are supposed to be the gatekeepers to sex and say no to it all the time. Having a hot fictional love interest do sexual things to the self-insert main character regardless of how much the main character dutifully resists it means the self-insert character gets absolved from responsibility and blame. She gets to have the hot fictional love interest without the 'indecency' of having to have/act on her own sexual desires. It's an 'Oh no I guess I have no choice but to enjoy this, oh well :)' -type thing.

Is that healthy? Nope. But society fucked all of us up in subtle or not so subtle ways and I can't really blame them for the patriarchal nonsense they were subjected to. Engaging in sexuality by watching shows like this might be a stepping stone towards accepting that they do have (sapphic) sexual desires and that that's okay, actually. Telling them it's morally wrong for them to like the shows they like hooks into the exact same societal shaming they might already feel over having sexual desires, so it has a lot of potential to make things worse. Idk everyone is on their own weird and unique journey in accepting themselves and it's kind of none of my business what theirs looks like. It's probably best to give them the time and space they need to unpack their business and grow. That kind of introspection and healing can only be done when feeling calm and safe, and not when feeling defensive and judged. People poking and prodding and judging and pathologizing sure never helped me get any closer to self-acceptance and healing. Quite the opposite.

They're both middle aged though. No exploitation of youth here. Idk if that was clear to you.

Right? Agreed. GMMTV did actually make 'Three Will Be Free' which I haven't watched yet, but as far as I understand is about a poly throuple between two cis guys and one trans woman (also played by Jennie). I think that counts, technically.

Both 'City of Stars' and 'The Sign' have cis man x trans woman side couples. The Sign is a better show in general, but the side couple in City of Stars gets more of a storyline. 'Secret Crush on You' has a cis guy x kathoey side couple, where the kathoey character struggles with their gender. That show is incredibly silly and cringe, but if you look beneath the surface, the message it's trying to send about weirdos being acceptable and worthy of love is really solid. The trans actress Paper Peerada also got some pretty good roles in 'Gelboys' and 'War of Y' (though that last plot did her dirty in the end). And there's 'The Iron Ladies' from the year 2000 of course, also really fun, highly recommend. Oh and also obviously there's '23,5', which has a side couple that consists of two trans women. But yeah so no main roles in full length series, especially no romantic roles. Oh wait lol I forgot about 'I'm the Most Beautiful Count'. The lead in that is kathoey (but does not fully identify as a woman from what I gather). Such a good show.

'Saneha Kap Cheewit' has a trans guy as a main role, and I absolutely loved that show, but it seems to be on its way to becoming lost media. I'm not sure there's anywhere left to watch it with English subtitles. It has a solid ace storyline too, really cool.

I've seen quite a few butches/toms, mainly in GL. My favorite one is the movie 'Yes or No' from 2010, but I think once 'Be My Angel' starts airing, that one will probably be my new favorite. The trailer is impossibly adorable.

So yeah there's not nothing, but my dream is one of those 'Boys in Love' style inane ensemble romcoms, except every character in every couple is some shade of trans or gender-nonconforming. If they can make 500 romcoms where every character is a gay man, why not 1 where every character is trans? One can dream haha.

The GL and BL genres are not about realism haha :)

I like that kathoey get to be the main characters for once, but I don't like that they're all still given the same old comedic relief loud flamboyant caricature role that Thai transfemmes almost always get. There's nothing wrong with being like that, it's just monotonous if every character is like that. I want to see transfemmes playing something else too. Where are my shy and anxious trans girls? Having four of them in lead roles should be the perfect recipe for showing four very different characters, but based on the trailer, it doesn't look to be heading that way.

I'm pretty sure the main four are kathoey, which is a very broad word that could mean drag queen, trans woman, nonbinary transfemme, or feminine gay man. The lines between those identities are often kind of blurry in Thai culture. It's more of a continuum.

Thai pronouns work very differently from English ones. Most Thai pronouns are not exclusive to any gender. Thai pronoun usage depends more on relative age to your interlocutor, formality, close-ness, status, profession, etc, than on gender. Most linguistic gendering that happens in Thai happens in its various ways of saying 'I' and in politeness particles 'ka' and 'krub'. But all kathoey (including the ones who still identify as men) lean strongly towards using the feminine politeness particle 'ka', so that doesn't actually tell you what you want to know. I guess linguistic gendering in Thai is more related to gender expression than to gender identity.

Thai gender-nonconforming characters tend to mix and match and change language usage depending on the social situation they're in, and some will call themselves a woman in one scene and emphatically not a woman in the next, so on the one hand that makes it next to impossible to figure out what they'd use in English and on the other hand kinda makes it feel like they'd be pretty blasé about it anyways. I don't even think it's really necessary for them to have a pronoun preference for English pronouns, in the same way that it's not necessary for you to have a preference for Thai pronouns because you don't speak Thai, if that makes sense.

So long story short, idk what their pronouns are. Probably going to default to they/them. Unless the show indicates otherwise once it starts.

The actress Golf Kittipat is clear about being a transgender woman though, so at least the pronouns are clear for her. I'd assume the same for the character she plays.

I don't want to share a bathroom with anyone at all thank you very much. Sinks though, not much of a problem. I really don't care what the gender of the person washing their hands next to me is.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm a man. That's silly. It tells me you didn't read my comments very well.

As for my personal motivations, I'm boob-less since two years ago, and I'd really appreciate if you genital-obsessed gender critical weirdos didn't start transvestigating me over my recently flat chest. Also, strange concept, I care about the safety of queer people and their ability to participate in public life without getting hatecrimed by the likes of you. Third, stalls are stalls, and it's kind of ridiculous to me that we've gendered them. That's an artifact of the past, if you ask me.

It's really amazing how you guys are the ones trying to verify everyone's genitals at the door and you still manage to call the people who are just trying to pee in peace 'perverts'. Gender criticals creep me out. If I could choose any group of people to kick out of public restrooms for being a safety hazard to everyone else, it'd be gender criticals. Like, mind your own business and move along. Wtf are you eyeing strangers in other stalls for?

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!?!". You sound like a mix between Anita Bryant and that one Simpsons parody. Taking away people's rights and safeties always goes down a little easier when you can make it about a hypothetical child, doesn't it? But are we going to ask child-protection organizations how best to prevent child abuse? No, course not, don't be silly. Those organizations wouldn't name 'single-sex bathrooms' as part of their top 50 priorities, obviously.

Queer kids exist. Bathroom bans means that they're being sent into bathrooms where they are in danger, often in their own schools, every day. I'm sure you can imagine how that kind of bullying plays out. Won't someone please think of THOSE children.

Tell me where these stall-less large public bathrooms for women exist. Are they all supposed to piss into a communal gutter? No doors, no walls, nothing? Come on. You know that's BS. If those do exist, then sure, make the communal gutter a single-sex space I guess, has nothing to do with the stalls that exist in 99% of women's restrooms.

And changing rooms I feel I've been pretty clear about. Those should be single stall.

So, there are bathroom bans in place right now, right? You know who's in actuality being challenged about being in women's bathrooms? Queer cis women. Tall cis women. Women who got mastectomies due to breast cancer. And transfemmes. You know who's not being challenged? *Male janitors.*

You know what happens when a cis woman gets 'challenged' about being in a women's restroom? In several high profile cases a male security guard got called into the restroom to physically drag her out. And then how is she supposed to prove she's a cis woman, when trans women can get their ID changed to say 'F' too? This 'female only' shit is happening in middle school sports now too, and conservatives are literally advocating for *genital inspections* on minors who don't look girly enough before they're allowed to play baseball with their classmates. Won't someone think of THOSE children. Is that where we want to be headed? Genital inspections before you're allowed into a female-only space? Is that your idea of privacy?

Literally why would a predator put on a wig and makeup when bringing a plunger is ten times more likely to get people to leave him alone about being in the women's restroom, and wearing female attire is likely to get him kicked out and beaten up?

Male janitors have always been in women's restrooms. Or what, you expect establishments to hire double janitors, one for the men's and one for the women's? Restrooms have never actually been a 100% single-sex space. You're only just now getting upset about that because trans women are new to you, and new things are scary I guess. It conjures up all sorts of 'OMG but what if's' in your head. And like, that's a you problem. Trans women have always gone to women's restrooms and it's never caused problems. It's not actually new. You're just only now aware of it.

I've been going to women's restrooms my whole life and I've never seen anyone change in there. Sounds weird, please do that in a stall.

Where I live mothers usually take their young sons to the women's restroom. Is it fine for them to see you changing then? Or is everyone supposed to send their kid into the men's restroom by themselves while they can't yet be trusted to wipe their own butts?

They're not going into the stall with you. What privacy do you need while washing your hands?

I don't think a single man ever has been stopped by a bathroom sign. If they want to go in, they will. All they need to do is hold a roll of toilet paper and people will assume they're the janitor. Bathroom bans sure hurt queer people trying to pee, but they do nothing to stop predators.

It used to be common sense that black and white people had to go to separate bathrooms. We can now all see that that was discriminatory nonsense. How do you think you'll look back on this moment in 50 years?

Did you know there was also a 'we shouldn't allow gay people into public bathrooms'-scare in the 1950s-80s? They were also supposedly scary predators.

This whole trans bathroom scare is just a new variation on the same old bigotry. Which social group gets targeted by a bathroom scare says a lot more about the anxieties of a society than it does about the social group in question.

Sex-separated bathrooms haven't even been a thing for all that long. Because duh, why would a small establishment install two bathroom stalls when that's expensive and one perfectly suffices? Sure, it makes sense to keep the urinals in a separate place, but other than that, a private stall is a private stall and we all use em the same way.

Where I live tons of small establishments just have one toilet and one sink. I never thought of them as 'unisex', they're just 'the bathroom'. I bet you've been to tons of those as well and never even noticed.

Changing rooms should be private stalls as well imo. I don't want to undress in front of a bunch of strangers in a big room, regardless of what their genders are.

It has private stalls. Are you scared a man will see you wash your hands?

Do you have separate bathrooms for men and women in your home?

:( The people who wrote this have never met a trans or intersex person because that's simply not how any of this works. If they wanted to tell a story like this, I wish they'd just framed it as a magic transformation, rather than pretending it's actually based in reality.

This hasn't managed to spotlight the actual issues intersex people face, or advocated for them in any way. A ton of unnecessary misery plus a miserable ending to really hammer home that people who exist outside the gender binary (like me <3) will never be happy or find a place to belong in this world. Thanks, I hate it.

Real life isn't as endlessly miserable, I promise!

For actually good and accurate trans & intersex representation, watch 'Marahuyo Project'. It's not as much of a downer.

Or if you want to learn more about intersex struggles look up pidgepagonis on YouTube, they're an intersex activist.