ShortCircuit

This is xianxia, nobody acts as if they would in real life, LOL. Whether the Nie clan survives or not doesn't depend on NHS only. And they had plenty of generations of new disciples despite them all knowing the stakes. The clan will be fine with or without NHS.

There's a side-character movie (two actually). If you watch Fatal Journey you'll learn more about the Nie brothers relationship. It's definitely not NHS being lazy - he just does not want to follow the same path he's supposed to, since he was born into the Nie clan. And TBH Meng Yao was, initially, two steps ahead of everybody and carefully hiding all his plots and web-weaving. After NHS found out what actually happened, it takes time to make the plot strong enough to ensure success. And he does get everything done as he wanted too - NHS is up there with WWX in the smarts dep't.

Meng Yao "cares" for LXC just as much as Xue Yang "cares" for Xiao XingCheng. Not for themselves but for the image they might have made in their minds about the villain - a mirror to a fictional better self. The one thing LXC prizes above all is his integrity - and Meng Yao made a mockery out of it.

JC was raised to be a clan leader. He can never take into account just the one person, even if it's his brother. He has to consider the good of the clan - WWX never had to bother with that, since he's an outsider anyway, and he could (and did) just up and leave the clan one day. JC doesn't have that freedom. And also he never joined the others in insulting and ridiculing WWX, where did that impression come from?! His hatred is very personal and warranted (if you read the novel you'll see WWX is not that clean himself, either, there are things he did that make him a bit gray, too, and JC's hatred - again - is earned). JC is not a power groupie, LOL. He's just mad and unwilling to let go of his anger at any point in his life. And at the same time... he's yearning for WWX, and missing him just as much as WWX is missing him, too. It's just that WWX can put it into words - he tries to explain to LWJ how JC is like, while JC can never even yell it out at WWX himself, he's that mad at him.

Yup, this is pretty close to a masterpiece in a study of human characters. And now you see why its genre (xianxia and not wuxia) or the level of fight choreography don't really matter actually, LOL.

Yes they're involved, yes it's danmei (BL). Watch it or not, as you will.

TBH, it was Wen KeXing who did that...

It's a bit far fetched, trying to insert Christian themes into a definitely danmei-(censored)-adaptation.

I particularly disagree with NHS being guilty of sloth - did you not catch the part where ALL Nie clan leaders eventually go insane and their swords go berserk due to their madness?! NHS is smart and he does NOT want to become a clan leader or cultivate his clan's disciplines, precisely because it would kill him but not before driving him into insanity! It's not being carefree, it's being a planner and seeing far ahead. THAT's what he's been using his intelligence for - he hasn't cultivated a lot so he's not a powerful fighter, he knows he's not a match for the rich and well-connected Jin clan, and he also knows who IS that careless about the power of others and their status and can get things done - WWX. They were fast friends in the school at Cloud Recesses, he knows what WWX is capable of.

There is no preventing the Nie clan madness, the only way to not get it is not cultivate that method, which is precisely what NHS does. But Nie MingJue is already going mad because of it - that's why he needs the Lan clan songs to pacify it - and it's already too late for him. Even without Meng Yao's intervention, he would've ended the same way, only later.

So yeah, NHS is a master manipulator - just as much, and at the end, better than - Meng Yao. His methods are also unorthodox (do you wonder why he chose WWX to come find out the truth - the one cultivator who didn't just talk about leaving the beaten path but actually went and opened up the new path all by himself? WWX is his inspiration.) Is it cowardly? Yes. Did he have other choices? Like, what?

So no, it's definitely not sloth. Years of planning every painful detail, and then making tiny course corrections once the plan is set in motion - he is better than Meng Yao, but his whole life has nothing to do with being slothful.

HA!! Meng Yao caring for LXC??? It was LXC who let him in the secret library where he took the Collection of Turmoil, it was LXC's trust he broke time and time again - how is that caring for him and for his opinion?! Even at the end he promises LXC to not do something and then does it not even ten minutes later - is that respect and care for LXC?!

Just a side comment on JC - he never does kill WWX (in the novel he's not close by when it happens, in the drama he doesn't actually hit WWX, WWX lets go because the rock LWJ is standing on can become dislocated and bring him down too.) And TBH, his attitude after the resurrection is 100% warranted. It was never WWX's intention to bring ruin to his foster family and clan, but that IS what happens due to WWX's actions - JC's clan, his parents, his sister - they all die because of something WWX did. It's not too much for JC to blame him for those deaths.

As for Xue Yang... it's not any human sin or even emotion other than him being a sociopath. Why he is that way - does it even matter? If he had a rough childhood and becomes a serial killer, should that rough childhood excuse the killings?! Even those he loved, he destroyed, because he doesn't really care for them, just for his possession of them. There is no sin in Xue Yang, he's beyond humanity, just a selfish killing machine.

If you can get the novel, you could try it and see if you like it (and it you get the same impression from it as from the drama). There's also a 3-season animated series, an audio drama, and a manhua based on the novel. It IS quite a phenomenon. And the novel, obviously, has all the danmei bits they removed :D

Ah, finally Woo DoHwan again! Bring it on! :D

... For some reason though this sounds like it'll have a sad ending...

YES!!! If it gets official, I don't care if they're older, LOL, just as long as it does happen!!!!!!

I feel like doing a dance hahaha~

Pretty good insight, let's see if you're on it as you keep watching :D

ETA LXC is the best guy, he's the captain of the WangXian ship LOL :D

It might help to realise he actually (in the human life) doesn't feel emotions at all though he can register people are feeling them. In the original timeline, nobody ever cared for him and so he never developed the ability to feel. After he died the devil artefact inside him just took over, so he became an avatar of the original Devil.

Li SuSu just went back in order to get that Devil Bone from him and then kill him. She has her mission, and love - what comes of it - happens despite all her intentions and without his knowledge (he still can't feel anything). The transmigrated Li SuSu is not the original abuser Ye XiWu, and that comes to the attention of Tantai Jin, too, eventually.

It's going to be a long process.

But yeah, still extremely abusive as they come, if it's not your cup of tea or you can't even deal with the idea of it, better not start it. Not every drama is for everyone, and that's just okay.

~You like MianMian, don't you?!~ Ahahhahahaha poor LWJ's face.

But nah, there's still the scene in the snow (in the Silence Room). The scene on the stairs (~walking with you on a single-plank bridge til its dark end isn't so bad~ - total damage!!) The scene in the library (with WWX painting a little flower behind LWJ's ear, awwwww~ and then all hell breaks loose, LOL). The reveal later on (in the Jiang Ancestral Shrine). All the scenes where LWJ silently blocks everything from getting to WWX. LWJ getting drunk on purpose :D The CHICKENS!!!!!

There are way too many :D

She saw visions of him being treated like s*it after seeing him destroy her sect and kill thousands of innocents because he could and he felt like it.

Kind of like expecting someone to have pity on a serial killer because he had a rough childhood.

This is a pretty abusive drama, if your heart can't handle it, don't put yourself through it.

To the first: nope. It's not him :D (ETA LXC does have a flute (a different kind than WWX's, a xiao / vertical flute called Liebing. WWX's Chenqing is a dizi, a horizontal flute). LXC will be playing it again, even if not every time as a weapon - they CAN use music as a weapon, but also just can choose not to).

To the second: Yes it's the Lan Clan. Wen Qing played but not as a fighter, she was just playing (it's one of the arts an accomplished noble should have mastered - playing an instrument, painting, etc for women, but also for men (and riding a horse, and sword-fighting etc). And yes she actually died.

I meant raised from the dead :D MXY is in the current (present) timeline, he's the one who's using a blood spell to call back WWX from the dead. WWX's spirit enters MXY's body, and MXY's spirit is gone forever (the price for the soul-calling). In the past timeline, it was indeed Jiang FengMian bringing back WWX to the Jiang Clan after finding him wandering around homeless after the death of his parents (one of whom was someone JFM maybe was in love with in the past before she married someone else).

Q2 first - yes it's the same person controlling Wen Ning at the JZX assassination site

Q1 No it's not either of them (Meng Yao or Xue Yang). Though yes, Meng Yao discovered how to use a flute to override Chenqing for a little bit (and already has used it in the interim before the present timeline starts, again). Hint: the method needs music. What clan do you know that can control or use music in battle?

LWJ was punished once after fighting 33 of his clan's masters in order to defend WWX's possessions in the Burial Mounds (in the novel he's defending WWX himself, but the death happens a bit differently). He wasn't punished to be restrained for 3 years, he just wasn't able to even walk and took forever to heal (they got him 33 lashes with the heavy whip that leaves forever marks and usually kills the victim with many less hits than he endured). He would've gone sooner but just couldn't - he's still only human.

OOOOOOH who raised WWX? The direct answer is - Mo XuanYu did. Then who taught MXY how to use the spell and made sure a Yin Tiger Tally artefact was close enough to make sure WWX's spirit WILL come when called? Isn't that just the most interesting thing? :D

That's one of the best reveals when you get it :D It's too big of a spoiler, sorry, won't tell you, and please don't look for it, but it's also worth waiting for :D

PS The Yin Tiger Tally aura was around the sword they found (in the novel it's a body part, ick!) It was a lure the mastermind used to set WWX on the trail of the actual villains - because WWX can't resist a mystery he can't untangle, and LWJ will follow him to the depths of hell now he got him back :D

Wen Qing and Wen Ning went to the Jin Clan and surrendered themselves, and the story says they were killed and burned into ashes. Obviously Wen Ning wasn't destroyed, though - and even WWX was suprised to see him when he called out (he didn't call him specifically, he just wanted something powerful that he could control in order to fight the Dancing Fairy), because WWX knew what happened to them before his own death.

Remember you're still in the flashback leading up to WWX's death. When you return to the present, he'll be with LWJ and the other survivors of that ordeal, and they'll take the time to finally follow the hints and discover what happened 16 years back. One of those mysteries is Wen Ning's fate so no spoilers right now, LOL, see for yourself - it's a lot more satisfying like that :)

I (and other watchers) told you this is a pretty complex story, it'll take time to see it in all its splendor, but so worth it. If you keep with it, you'll very probably like it after all :)

... Got myself trapped into another rewatch. I don't know how it happened. At one moment I was laughing with him in Follow Your Heart, then I was missing Tantai Jin's soulful looks and wanted to see it again. And now here I am. *sigh*

the beautiful one 😆

Look at you praising JingYan like that, he's going to blush and fluster about :D

TBH, there's no Yin Iron story in the novel, they added it to the drama because it was easier to then add the way Wen RuoHan created and controlled the puppets. It's an adaptation, after all. So the Yin Iron underplot might have been a bit scrambled in later edits - probably. The Yin Tiger Tally and its origin are canon, though, so they overpower everything LOL.

Keep in mind that older generation doesn't imply they were more powerful - just that they had their try and failed to destroy it. WWX is a genius, though, so why wouldn't he be able to control and/or destroy it, if it existed? The way to destroy the metal might've involved evil/undead qi, so maybe only someone unorthodox like WWX could have found the right way to deal with it. Not that they explain it away like that, since it was never part of the original story LOL.

Neither the Yin Tiger Tally nor Chenqing have too much power - the power comes from WWX and how he uses them. They're just channeling tools for his intention and they amplify his control and power... they're not particularly dangerous for anyone with some qi of their own (the only one hurt when touching Chenqing is YanLi, who isn't a cultivator. Both LWJ and JC can handle it with no problems, though they're obviously repulsed by the weapons' evil auras - told you, Spiritual Weapons are something different).

Xue Yang is a very moody killer. He will kill those who he thinks wronged him, but doesn't pay much attention to other people (until they "wrong" him somehow). He doesn't disappear, he's going to be busy killing off other small fry who offended him somehow and at the same time obsessing over how to get revenge against Song Lan and Xiao XingCheng. You haven't seen the last of him (and when you see him again his absence will be explained).

Yes it's Meng Yao.

Jin GuangShan has bastard children all over the place (and only the one legitimate, Jin ZiXuan.) As a matter of fact, Mo XuanYu (the one who sacrificed his body to call back WWX) is also one of his bastards. There are more, too. Meng Yao is his bastard son born to a prostitute (one that was a bit above the rest and had some education). JGS promised her he'd take her son and raise him up in a better station but he never did (he doesn't care about his bastards). He only took Meng Yao back and even gave him the wrong name (he should have a name starting with Zi or something, but he got a name starting with Guang, like the previous generation, LOL) because he doesn't care - but Meng Yao had done tremendous service in the Sunshot Campaign so he - JGS - wanted some of that fame. So he recognised him and took him into the Clan officially because it served his interests to have him as his underling.

All the bits of Yin metal are gone now and won't matter any more. What of them there were, WWX controlled and his Yin Tiger Tally is more powerful than them. The last bit was probably with Xue Yang (it's not told, but it makes sense considering what happens later, in the present timeline.)

He wasn't in charge of it, he made sure his hands were clean. He just delegated and insinuated what should be done.

So now you've had a little time to come a bit down from the NiF high... what's next? :D

The thing about wuxia and xianxia is that there are certain rules and a lot of dramas (and the novels they're based of, if any) have to follow them. The more creative author will obviously try to subvert expectation or create a conflict so momentous that you look past the cliches of the genre, but a lot of them either don't really bother (because the focus of the story is different, usually just the romantic plot) or are unable to create actual masterpieces. In wuxia, there's always a huge importance placed on the fight choreography, and in xianxia, you have to pay attention to the cultivation and usually the master-disciple relationship is the most important thing in life. (There's one Chinese proverb saying "a teacher for a day, a parent for a lifetime", and when you realise how big ancestral worship was and probably still kind of is in China, you get how much that matters. There are plenty of drama and novel conflicts where starstruck lovers can't be together because one of their clans did something to the teacher/master's clan and then tragedy obviously strikes.)

BUT. There are always some that do manage to walk that thread among cliche and new story. So if you mean to try out some more... (other than obviously NiF2 :D), then here are some recs (I haven't watched all possible dramas, so it's just from what I did watch).

Costume drama/historical (not actually wuxia or xianxia): Under the Microscope. It's short, based on a novel, still develops beautiful relationships, the characters are amazing, the actors are exceptional (you'll be introduced to Zhang RuoYun, don't miss him :D) and they manage to make a story about geometrical and geodesical measurements AND taxes as dangerous as it can get :D There are no emperors in this, but the powerplays are subtle and convincing. And the OST is also great! (HEA)

Wuxia - there are quite a few here. One of my favourites is the movie Hero, starring Jet Li. It's an older movie, but still has the very best cinematography, OST, cast (and acting), plot, and fighting choreography of all wuxia movies I've ever watched. It's about the first Qin Emperor (the one with the Teracotta Army and the underground mausoleum), and the numerous attempts on his life - and it touches on the concept of Tianxia (everything under heaven). That too is as close to a masterpiece as it can get. Highly recc'ed! (Sad ending, but not really unhopeful).

A very good wuxia drama is also Joy of Life. It's based on a transmigration novel, but very little of the transmigration comes into play in season 1. (Season 2 is also available but I haven't watched it yet. There will be a Season 3 that ends the whole story). The characters are amazing (Zhang RuoYun is in this one, and also some of the other cast from Under the Microscope, it's great to see them together in different stories, just to appreciate how good actors they are!) S1 ended in a cliffhanger, but there's a lot of politics and powerplays and also a lot more fighting than in NiF, and beautiful scenes and OST.

Also a bit older, Ever Night is a great wuxia, too. It's more fighting than anything, but also a bit of a mystery, and the stakes aren't as high as in the very best costume dramas, but the acting is very good, and the OST is amazing. There are a lot of characters, and a lot of intricate wuxia plots (like who's the best and what kind of levels they can reach and there's also a lot of training in an actual school, LOL) but LOTS of great fights (GREAT fights, needs repeating.) I recc this just to see how good fight choreography can be when enhanced with some pretty interesting characters :D (I mean, there are quite a number of eps spent concerning the ravishing calligraphy of a short note that tells someone to eat their chicken soup :D)

One of the newer wuxia dramas is The Blood of Youth (there's a prequel too but it came after TBoY, so I'd rec this one first). Also very good characters, good acting, strong plot, nice fighting (and the ML also lost his fighting skills due to a gruesome wound). It's more of a youth shounen-like type of drama, but still highly enjoyable.

And one of the very best bromances (still non-romantic :D) is Mysterious Lotus Casebook. There are three MLs who start at different points, there's tragedy and comedy and also lots of fighting, and some mysteries too - and a dog :D If you haven't seen him in anything, that's the drama you'd want to see Cheng Yi in :D (because he's worth it!)

Xianxia - well, the thing about xianxia is that there's always a love story. It's a staple. You can't miss it or it's not xianxia (except when it's danmei xianxia but then the censors will make them remove anything romantic from them anyway LOL). There are way too many xianxia, so here are just my absolute favourites from what I've watched (danmei not included):

Till the End of the Moon: this is practically the most abusive xianxia ever. And it's a love story obviously. But the cinematography is superlative, the FX are very good, they tried to involve elements of the Buddhist Cave System in Dunhuang (never EVER seen anything like it in any xianxia/wuxia/regular costume dramas, the colours are just the most beautiful thing ever), the MUSIC is great. And then they have Luo YunXi and Bai Lu as leads (I am not ashamed to say I have crushed on both of them LOL). It's based on a novel, too. You might take a look and see :)

Love and Redemption (with Cheng Yi again) - this is great if you can stay with it through the frustrating first half, LOL, when they just abuse and re-abuse the ML and the FL is just clueless and clutzy LOL. It kind of grows on you... or it did on me, mostly because Cheng Yi knows how to suffer hahaha.

For xuanhuan (this is fantasy with some xianxia or wuxia elements) I'd recc Douluo Continent (it's based on a novel and it's basically about a school for talented people with unusual gifts and fighting skills who go and fight with other schools... for reasons.) At least you'd get to see Xiao Zhan in something if not TU, though TBH the plot is not his best help here.

Also, definitely I Am Nobody would fit - this is FUN!! If you're never watching any other xuanhuan ever again, watch this one first! :D (The plot is based on a manhua, but they made it really work - great cast, great pace, great music, great acting - you'll get to see Peng YuChang, Hou MinHao and Bi WenJun, if for nothing else :D)

... And then there are the modern dramas :D

The whole From Dusk til Dawn extra. There are so many moments, but for some reason, that's the part I like best (just the two of them living WWX's dream life, him going on adventures and returning to LWJ every night, LWJ taking care of him and just that quiet loving life in all. That extra is perfection).