ShortCircuit

That's his calling card, LOL, Cinnamon Bun (Fierce Corpse), Third-Wheeler Extraordinaire.

No, not at all, LOL. Particularly, none of the women and neither LXC, MY or JC. The ancestor isn't in the picture but for some talk. SL and XXC were soulmates. They didn't have time to find out anything more. Not even XY is confirmed though in his case it's kind of obvious. (Then again he's WWX's reflection in a dark mirror, and WWX is Cpt Oblivious, so maybe...? LOL).

Yeah, JGS had a wandering eye but only the one legitimate son, Jin ZiXuan (and remember that's part of why WWX and JC didn't want him back as husband material for YanLi, because they thought he might turn out to be like his father.) I don't think all women JGS bedded were unwilling - JGY's mother for example was a courtesan, she couldn't reject him but when she had a son - and they were versed into how NOT to get with child if they wanted to - she planned for his future.

Mo XuanYu's mother willingly took up with JGY too, and MXY went to Jinling Tai based on that relationship, expecting to become a renowned cultivator (obviously JGS couldn't care less and soon enough he died, too, so there went that plan LOL).

They're half-siblings, but it's enough for the relationship to be doomed. JGY didn't find out in time. But again, he was basically an underling and couldn't go any higher until after he had some good political ties to the more powerful families. He went after her and didn't retract his proposal even when he found out. It would've been a disaster either way.

Yup, so... I'm again recommending the novel, LOL :D

Because WangXian is worth it :)

JGS that r@pist did take one his subordinates' wife, and the result was JGY's sister. I think she's the only girl in his sea of bastard-born sons.

The wife never revealed it until too late, when JGY couldn't do anything about it anymore without at least he - and maybe his sister, too - would have had to die if it all came to light. So the legal husband (the Jin clan subordinate) raised the girl as his own and AFAIK he never even learned the truth - I don't remember if he even was still alive at the time when TU is taking place in the present).

JGY was NOT thrown out because of being a bastard, LOL, that SOB father of his never even took him in until he grew up and became useful. JGY's mom had his promise his child would be recognised and taken by the clan, but he always promised and never delivered. She taught him as well as she could, but because the Jin leader neglected her, other people in the brothel mistreated her and she died a few years later. JGY grew up in the brothel until he managed to arrange it to catch fire with all inside dead, then he went to the clan and wasn't let in or acknowledged.

So he went and survived however he could, struggled up however he could until he managed to become really important after the Sunshot Campaign. It all started with JGS being a piece of... But then, JGY inherited his kind of conscience so it all balances...

So, here goes. These are the hints LXC used to deduct it:

1. LWJ protected him from Jiang Cheng immediately and no holds barred (JC had spent the last 16 years hunting down demonic cultivators and killing them and LWJ didn't intervene as it wasn't his problem. This time it's VERY much his problem, LOL. Actually, it's everybody's favourite problem :D)

2. After LWJ brought him back to Cloud Recesses, he was in an exceptional good mood (yeah you don't see it but this is LXC's radar we're talking about. He can read LWJ like an open book. We bow to the radar king :D)

3. Everything that followed - the hunt for clues, what happened, how WWX acted around LWJ - and the constant Lan Zhan-s LOL.

He couldn't miss it. He's just polite and pretends his brother isn't smitten because his brother thinks he's being secretive, LOL.

LXC CANNOT see what JGY is up to because he trusts him. As much as LWJ trusts WWX. He can't even begin to understand him when he was always unshielded against him and never had a doubt. He's a lot more naive than even LWJ like this, LWJ was always doubting WWX's demonic cultivation and even tried to stop him. That's why LXC is completely destroyed by the reveal (and can be manipulated into overreacting at the end).

JGY's mom WAS a whore - well, not in the basest brothels, but she was a prostitute. She had a bit of an education and JGS met her in a more upscale house, but she was indeed a prostitute. In fact, the GuanYin Temple the final showdown takes place in was built over the burned brothel's location (and the brothel burned down because JGY arranged it, with nobody escaping - he also arranged that. He missed just one woman who he let live, and she later was found and used by our mastermind.)

He didn't know who his wife truly was until he had been deeply entranched into trying to gain her hand. He wanted her because of her family's position, but he was a nobody - yes a bastard of the Clan Leader, but JGS has many of those (infinite uncles glitch LOL). He had to work really hard to gain her family's favour, and he actually did love her. When he learned the truth, it was too late to go back, and their child was on the way so her family had to marry her to him and he could NOT refuse her and live. He never touched her after that, but the damage was already done.

TBH I tend to mix the Yin Iron pieces up LOL since in the novel it's only the sword and there's no plot about recovering the pieces. I still am kind of convinced even in the drama XY doesn't actually have one but gets one from you know who, who had confiscated one from Wen Clan leader - because he's the "heir" to WWX's demonic cultivation and that person wanted another tally made. XY is good enough to make one but bad enough that it doesn't work like the original, LOL.

SUPPOSEDLY. The other three pieces were SUPPOSEDLY destroyed by the clans.

The last piece was WWX's Yin Iron sword that he forged into the ChenQing flute. There are no others.

After WWX destroyed the Tiger Tally, its shards (and presumably one of the pieces that were taken from the Wen Clan) were used to make a pale copy of it.

Not gonna say more, it's a spoiler :D

All the pieces were with the Wen Clan leader IIRC, except for WWX's Yin Iron sword.

Does Xue Yang come in the 33rd ep?! When he appears a bit later, since it's after the Wen defeat, it would make sense his piece might be one of the Wen's, I think.

Even in context, though, the way the fans reacted means they felt the dirty meaning was what he had meant. So IMHO he shouldn't have risked it, but what's done is done.

I'm just glad XZ made a comeback and that it didn't destroy him. I also think it was unfortunate that people were being locked up inside with the start of the pandemic so the wave had time to rise and rise til it became a monster. In a more quiet time, probably, it wouldn't have led to what happened.

Anyway, my conclusion is that I'm happy I got to grow up before the internet and that my life isn't terminally online, LOL. It's pretty hard for me to understand some netz (of all countries).

I guess each saw it however they wanted to see it. Even if he was being playful, still... I just hope it's not an accurate TL or it's out of context.

When promoting the drama or doing the after-drama fan meets, they obviously were friendly. But later on, the success also pulled them apart. As @Salwa Nice says, it's basically impossible for them to ever work together again.

Yeah, some fans were mad. Even in this comment section, we get some fan who's all for making them a pair - they were acting their roles and they are very much NOT their characters. There are people who conflate the actor with their character and want impossible things that the actual real life people would never do or feel because they are obviously their own persons and not characters from a book or drama.

It's just sad that they made such a big mess for the actors. Don't look up the scandal though, it's not about the actual drama or the novel, and it could only leave a sour impression of fans destroying what they pretend to love.

Please use spoiler tags though, people who don't know and stumble upon this will probably go look it up and come back to discuss it, but it's definitely not the place...

Yeah it's kind of an off-colour joke (I wonder if that's exactly what he said, because it's in public, even if they were the best friends that's the kind of thing you say in private, this being China and WYB being a lot younger than XZ.)

Basically... it's a double entendre - when they do wire action, the wires usually require one's middle to be kind of strong in order to be able to move naturally even if restrained by them, so that they make the wuxia/xianxia choreo work.

At the same time... in danmei, they never refer to the part under the waist as what it is. When they do "it", the authors usually hint at the shou feeling some pain at his waist the next day or something, if they don't want to go into details (or even if they do).

So it's kind of like WYB would caution XZ to take care of himself after a night of "doing it" which, again, even if it's not exactly related to "it", it's definitely implied, especially to an audience who's there because they're into danmei. But they're just the actors, not the characters, so IMHO it's not warranted and I'd have been really mad about it myself, if I was the target of it. I find it in poor taste, TBH.

I can find some excuses by saying that it actually doesn't have to mean anything naughty, they were playing to the crowd, or that they were good friends that the joke was going to be okay between them, but it's still a bit over the top (even if the audience really liked it). It's the kind of joke that would go well in Thai BL between actors, but they're WAY more close to each other in the first place and it's not frowned upon in Thai ent industry anyway. In China, it's not the same thing.

The thing is, after TU there was a craze about it and fans went overboard, which eventually led into the ao3 scandal. If they were hyping it up like this, no wonder fujoshis went mad. I sure hope it was scripted and everybody was in the know, otherwise it'd be a very ugly surprise and yeah, what can you say to something like that? It's just not done.

He taught Mo XuanYu the recall spell. He told Meng Yao's wife the truth about her husband and their relationship. He also told her (in a secret unsigned letter) about the death of their son - they used to have a son, but Meng Yao was afraid he'd have some defects because he was inbred so he sent him away to a Border Tower where he was supposedly killed in an ambush by Fierce Corpses, though Meng Yao had arranged it.

He arranged everything to happen in the Mo Manor, what with releasing the sword spirit (in the drama) and the first dismembered part of his brother's corpse (in the donghua/novel). All the people - guilty of their own sins or not - who died in the course of his revenge are his burden to bear.

He is entitled to his revenge, and he goes about it very smartly - but it leaves so many bodies behind, and XiChen's peace forever shattered.

I love this character, but he's an evil bastard, despite his soft-spokeness and right to revenge. He even dared use WWX and LWJ as tools throughout the whole thing!! *argh*

... But I can't help but like him anyway LOL.

Don't know... I can only hear the "three", but TBH I don't know how 33 or 300 should sound, LOL. Or maybe it is officially 300, as another censored reference (since it would lead to the 33 top disciples and what LWJ was doing in that cave in the first place, LOL.)

The first time I realised the NF TL was pretty much adapting the meaning so it came a lot easier in English (and a lot further than the Mandarin spoken) was when WWX meets JC in the forest in the second ep - when LWJ comes with the juniors, WWX hides behind that tree and muses "I'm so unlucky today, should've consulted my horoscope before heading out the door" in the fan TL, which comes to "how come my luck is so bad today" in the NF TL. Same general meaning, but so different strokes. The first one is a lot closer to WWX's carefree character, whilst the later is so much more neutral...

I'm just happy to have watched it in the fan TL, that coloured the way I saw the drama a lot, in a better way.

I just recommend the novel (the fan TL even), because the words are so beautiful and convey a lot more than some of the changed parts of the drama did. Or at least the donghua :)

Yeah, well, I seriously do NOT appreciate how they twist the subs for an Asian movie/drama to fit the expectations of some Western watchers. Like how the F am I able to recognise banmal in kdramas by how it sounds, but none of it comes through in the TL?! Or the honorifics. NONE of them make it through. It's frustrating. And even if I'd accept that for kdramas (though I don't), it's such a shame for cdramas :(

And particularly with TU - I watched it first in a fan TL, and it was so beautiful and poetical and then NF got it and sanitised it all up til if you don't know the backstory it might be a pain to actually realise how this all goes down.

Oh well. I'm grateful they did get it, because it helped expose the world to danmei and wuxia and xianxia, and that got us so many more great dramas. But I still wish they'd have kept the fan TL (can't link to it, I don't know how to find it again...)

They DID show NHS's POV!!!! It's all in the Fatal Journey movie. (But it doesn't have the MLs, so TBH, I watched it for the nostalgia and it turns out it shows the relationship between the Nie brothers, how Meng Yao made himself Nie MingJue's sworn-brother and how he decided to get rid of NMJ because he saw through his many disguises.

It stops right before TU, with NHS deciding he has to do something to get revenge for his brother, and starting to plan.

He's an evil mastermind with the soul of a scared lil' kitty, our NHS. I think he's one of my favourite characters, after the MLs - he's incredibly smart, and cunning, and so sure of what he can do and how to go about it, and so thorough... and all the while everybody overlooks him because there's no red flag at all!! And still, he's evil because he's so ready to sacrifice others to get his revenge - a kitten with sharp claws.

All hail NHS!! (LOL, the crew called him "the director" because of how his chara plots everything :D)

The SE is on YouTube. It's not geo-blocked for me, I hope you can watch it too. It's only 20 eps (longer than the original drama eps). Just look at the ending scenes and see - they are together :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlpEVsKiYCU&list=PL5mNV6MN8F8r52kcxCdwVWoLjJm7fozKb&index=1

ETA Here's Fatal Journey too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5mmWE4bYc

(I rec' a laptop/PC browser with adblock for the best watching experience. I'm using Firefox+ublock myself.)

Yeah, well, that subtitle is a hit or miss... :(

LOL, they played a mindf*ck on fans. The actual sequence of events at the end is made clear in the ending of the Special Edition (that has the plot streamlined and included a few longer scenes than the original. Very few).

So the original ending goes like this: LWJ ends up leading the Clans (he doesn't really, LOL), and LWJ goes Night Hunting because censorship. Later on, some time has passed and WWX is playing his flute (obviously WangXian) when LWJ calls his name from behind - he turns and smiles that special smile he has for LWJ. The End. (They're together again.)

The SE ending goes like this: no separation at all. They solve all that needs to be solved, A-Yuan remembers his mom, errr, WWX, then the juniors go Night Hunting with Wen Ning and LWJ takes WWX back to Cloud Recesses much to the dismay of all clan members minus LXC who, poor guy, is now secluded and trying to recover from what happened. They have the little threatening small talk with NHS, then they BOTH go to that rock in the middle of the river, play their instruments together (if that's not an euphemism I don't know what it is LOL), then they praise each other some more and remain smiling at each other while the focus is panning out. The End. (And this is the closest to the novel's ending, minus the racy scenes).

Proof of how it goes, LOL - their outfits for one. Look at what WWX is wearing in the final scene and then on the rock. Look at what he's wearing on that mountain ridge. And the fact that the SE gets it right while keeping it censored (but well, the actual final scene wouldn't have made it into the drama anyway LOL).

TBH I LIKE the original ending. I knew it won't end with them separated, and it's just sweeter to imagine LWJ wouldn't go after/to WWX ASAP. And his voice calling out to WWX completes the circle (the first scene with the two of them together opens with WWX calling out his name, and the last scene ends with LWJ calling out to WWX. Perfection.) Yes he's not in the picture, but that's his voice and no, WWX isn't imagining it.

Also - that final scene with them on the rock is in the ED sequence LOL. It's long been established that OPs and EDs spoil parts of a cdrama. And they included the ending on the ED LOL, just that nobody realised it's the actual ending :D

Okay, now you know everything (in the drama). Here's a short plot summary of TU, with images so you don't get it wrong, LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVNMEcPXws

What do you think of our little kitty cat porcelain doll now? :D

No, it's still 33 whips in the drama, or it should be (the Discipline Whip is the heaviest whip they have, the scars will never fade. The intention was to mark him forever.) Bed rest for three years after (presumably with treatment, LOL).

It wasn't that he didn't get the flute, he didn't want that flute, he wanted WWX. But WWX was gone and it seemed he'd never return, so he wanted to get a mark to fix him in his memory forever. A similar brand as WWX's. (And he was drunk, so it made sense to him at the time). His pain was so clear even Lan QiRen didn't scold him for it.

One of the fan discussions was about how LWJ never raised a memorial for WWX and he might've spent a lot of time playing the song or Recollection, trying to contact WWX's spirit or summon him from wherever he went. I don't remember it in the novel, but it made it's way into the chibi donghua - MDZS Q (and it's so sweet). LWJ yearned for him for all the years he'd been missing.

Lan Zhan deserves him. They deserve each other.

But yeah. That ep. (And LWJ stealing along with him, LOL).