There is a 19 year age difference between Kim Hee Sun & Rowoon. But I say hey why not, let's not have a double…
For one, it's fiction. Secondly, the characters they play is rarely close to their actual age.
For example, when Hee Sun was in Alice, she played an older version, a college version, and a girlfriend version.
I think the issue is not with their age gap but with the audience who can not separate fact from fiction. I remember reading an article where Hee Sun was asked if she's okay to play the girlfriend role in Alice because of their age gap IRL, and that there will be a kissing scene, she said for her it's fine.
Try to reverse the situation. Let's say the actors are in the same age range but the characters they played have a huge gap. Then they have a kissing scene, the girl is 20+ years senior to the guy, and the girl was made to look old in a very obvious way … now that would more likely be okay for audiences who can not separate fact from fiction.
As far as they are concerned, they are watching their favourite actors kissing __not__ the characters they are playing.
Why so many actresses and actors have a mole on their face? ^^
Hahaha. For a Nation and culture obsessed with beauty and with technologies to remove it, they don't. But in nations not obsessed with beauty, and where procedures are very expensive and specialized, it's common removed.
Hee Sun's acting and voice here are very different. I can't imagine she was the FL in Alice; and she was in Smile, Again.
While Rowoon is very much identifiable with his previous projects. It's different but you can still his style, his movements, his expressions, his signature.
When actors with a huge gap acting careers are paired up, it really shows who is a veteran and who is practically a 'newbie'. What makes this show interesting, as far as the two leads are concerned, Hee Sun is more of a support actress to Rowoon. It is a good balance because the veteran is not overshadowing the younger actor, and at the same time, the signature of Rowoon is supplemented with the veteran's experience.
Good job in picking the lead actors. They mesh well.
At first, since everything was new, I thought the balance between the episodic plots and the main plot was good.…
At least based on episode 8, it's time to reveal the main plot. The ML finally started asking questions and the past past of FL and JG is finally partially revealed.
So far we know that something regrettable happened to FL as well as JG. Now we know they lived at the same time and they probably have forgotten it.
Then the mysterious "goal" of the original RM team.
Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter? what is the meaning of the last scene when Sae Ha meets…
Re: "looks like they are hugging"
- They were stopping Sae Byeok from getting inside the storehouse.
Unfortunately, it was too quick. I would even say that part was a bad edit or the scene should not have been included … because the next scene was they were all inside the storehouse anyway (so what's the point of stopping her).
I think, since those scenes were included, so that meant it is canon, Sae Byeok was getting emotional. Knowing her, once she sets something on her mind, she'll do it. So they stopped her to get her to calm down. They probably explained to her something, then she understood. That was when they all entered the storehouse.
Q: Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter? A: That possibility is very slim.
There are no scenes which supports that Sae Ha and Sae Byeok became romantic, not in the original 2021 (his mother is sick) and not in the new 2021 (his mother is healthy).
But compare that to Eo Jin and Sae Byeok in episode 10. Even though they're divorced and does not want to have anything to do with each other, there was no doubt they comforted each other and slept together. (It usually happens, especially between ex'es who became friends.)
Also, Sae Ha appeared to have no time for romantic relationships. He does not like the idea that his father's death, the janitor's, and his, are fixed points in time. That's like saying, you don't have free will. And since at this point, they still had no idea they can trick time, Sae Ha's mind is more likely focused on finding a way and how to say goodbye with everyone.
Third, Sae Byeok not telling Eo Jin her daughter's name means she is his as well. It also happens in real-life. When a mother gives birth and they don't want to have anything to do with their ex (who is the father), they don't tell the father they gave birth, and if they found out, they don't give the child's name.
The idea there is because once the father knows the name, the child will no longer become a stranger for him. Since the father is suspecting the child is also his, once he learns the child's name, he will definitely feel responsible and will start sending support, protection, and everything else, even if the mother doesn't want it. At least for fathers who are not a j*rk.
This is especially true for Eo Jin. Eo Jin's name means "kind". And his character actually showed that despite him trying to hold back showing his kindness. If he learns his daughter's name, he will definitely start giving support and probably try to convince Sae Byeok that they get back together.
Which is what happened.
That was the meaning behind "You told me" when she asked him who told him Byeori's name.
A future Sae Byeok no doubt told him that her daughter is his (which he probably already suspecting) and her name is Byeori. Because of this … he felt responsible. The child is no longer a stranger. He felt close. He is a father. So he went to fetch the 2022 Sae Byeok.
Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter? what is the meaning of the last scene when Sae Ha meets…
Re: "looks like they are hugging"
- They were stopping Sae Byeok from getting inside the storehouse.
Unfortunately, it was too quick. I would even say that part was a bad edit or the scene should not have been included … because the next scene was they were all inside the storehouse anyway (so what's the point of stopping her).
I think, since those scenes were included, so that meant it is canon, Sae Byeok was getting emotional. Knowing her, once she sets something on her mind, she'll do it. So they stopped her to get her to calm down. They probably explained to her something, then she understood. That was when they all entered the storehouse.
Q: Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter? A: That possibility is very slim.
There are no scenes which supports that Sae Ha and Sae Byeok became romantic, not in the original 2021 (his mother is sick) and not in the new 2021 (his mother is healthy).
But compare that to Eo Jin and Sae Byeok in episode 10. Even though they're divorced and does not want to have anything to do with each other, there was no doubt they comforted each other and slept together. (It usually happens, especially between ex'es who became friends.)
Also, Sae Ha appeared to have no time for romantic relationships. He does not like the idea that his father's death, the janitor's, and his, are fixed points in time. That's like saying, you don't have free will. And since at this point, they still had no idea they can trick time, Sae Ha's mind is more likely focused on finding a way and how to say goodbye with everyone.
Third, Sae Byeok not telling Eo Jin her daughter's name means she is his as well. It also happens in real-life. When a mother gives birth and they don't want to have anything to do with their ex (who is the father), they don't tell the father they gave birth, and if they found out, they don't give the child's name.
The idea there is because once the father knows the name, the child will no longer become a stranger for him. Since the father is suspecting the child is also his, once he learns the child's name, he will definitely feel responsible and will start sending support, protection, and everything else, even if the mother doesn't want it. At least for fathers who are not a j*rk.
This is especially true for Eo Jin. Eo Jin's name means "kind". And his character actually showed that despite him trying to hold back showing his kindness. If he learns his daughter's name, he will definitely start giving support and probably try to convince Sae Byeok that they get back together.
Which is what happened.
That was the meaning behind "You told me" when she asked him who told him Byeori's name.
A future Sae Byeok no doubt told him that her daughter is his (which he probably already suspecting) and her name is Byeori. Because of this … he felt responsible. The child is no longer a stranger. He felt close. He is a father. So he went to fetch the 2022 Sae Byeok.
High quality article, I salute your dedication. Half of it was useless to write, if the screenwriter had done…
Yeah, I think they assumed most would grasp it.
To add two more reasons: 1. Having limited it to 10 episodes only restricted them. Maybe they originally planned 16 episodes then they had to compressed it to 10? For a complex plot, definitely going to be hit and miss. Unfortunately, more on that latter.
2. They way it was setup was for a novel series, usually a trilogy. The first book mainly on character development, less on the hard sciences, which is then followed up by the book 2 where the author takes the audience deeper into the world and the plot. Then finally the last book where the bigger plot finally takes place and everything is put together.
re: brain ache … for sure … especially the theories they chose to turn into fiction. In other time travel stories, when there's continuity error, it was obvious they lost track of their jumping around time … they probably gave up. But in Grid … looks like they closely tracked everything and then was not able to perfectly translate it into a live-action show. It was good in paper but once its on the screen it's broken.
Here's what I am thinking: So we are observing a single timeline but with different 'layers'. I am using the term…
WOW!
Yeah, that makes a lot sense now. You're way better in articulating your ideas than I do.
Yes, exactly like that when the Growing Block Universe and Relative Time are combined. There is the "relative origin time" and "relative personal time". Indeed, each is a block, what is "past" to a traveler is also their present which is also affecting other blocks.
I love how you fit in the "layers" in there. Perfect fit!
You should create a blog. ^_^ Your explanation should live and be part of history.
High quality article, I salute your dedication. Half of it was useless to write, if the screenwriter had done…
"'Healing' temporal field"? The one wherein the blood reversed time? Or another one? What scene was it?
The 'looking at his device', I only noticed it after I re-watched the series. Since I already have questions I'm searching, I focused more on finding answers than the entertainment value--and also I took down notes of the interesting parts so I don't have to return again. I've always wondered what he was referring to and … lols, eureka moment when I noticed him looking down at his device.
Still I mistook it to mean there was something in the light. I eventually took screengrabs of the two devices but can not find anything. I was about to give up when it hit me, the devices are not the same. LOLs.
I went back and forth, looked at it side-by-side, yeah, definitely not the same!
I agree, the clues are deeply hidden and too fast for anyone to notice. They got carried away with hiding stuff. I think I wasted 40 minutes just for that device analysis, and what he meant by "it's not me, can't you see".
They did focus on the devices but who would've thought to pay attention to it. LOLs.
Still, I don't get why Sae Ha said "blue light" in that 9-year old Sae Ha scene. If everything they included in the show is a clue for something, that one is very elusive.
But yeah, "bad 'show don't tell'" in a lot of areas. I just dedicated time to find the answers because they used theories rarely used in fiction, and I want to find answers too. If it was a time travel story based on the usual theories, I won't even re-watch it and be content with what we have already.
Here's what I am thinking: So we are observing a single timeline but with different 'layers'. I am using the term…
I actually like this part: "The Ghosts DNA is corrupted in the first layer because in that layer her future is not yet confirmed. We are observing what we perceive as the 'present' and the future is unknown. By the time we reach the final layer in the last few episodes, the Ghosts existence is solidified. She will be birthed in the 'future. However, this is because at this point we are actually observing what we know to be the 'past' where the 'present' is actually the time the ghost comes from. She is able to change events throughout time because 'time does not flow'. The 'past' is her 'future'. "
As for the "layers" … it sounds like timelines but not. I can't put it into words but you are getting somewhere. Thank you for sharing.
I'll try to think it over and see if I can understand it more. ^_^
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For example, when Hee Sun was in Alice, she played an older version, a college version, and a girlfriend version.
I think the issue is not with their age gap but with the audience who can not separate fact from fiction. I remember reading an article where Hee Sun was asked if she's okay to play the girlfriend role in Alice because of their age gap IRL, and that there will be a kissing scene, she said for her it's fine.
Try to reverse the situation. Let's say the actors are in the same age range but the characters they played have a huge gap. Then they have a kissing scene, the girl is 20+ years senior to the guy, and the girl was made to look old in a very obvious way … now that would more likely be okay for audiences who can not separate fact from fiction.
As far as they are concerned, they are watching their favourite actors kissing __not__ the characters they are playing.
While Rowoon is very much identifiable with his previous projects. It's different but you can still his style, his movements, his expressions, his signature.
When actors with a huge gap acting careers are paired up, it really shows who is a veteran and who is practically a 'newbie'. What makes this show interesting, as far as the two leads are concerned, Hee Sun is more of a support actress to Rowoon. It is a good balance because the veteran is not overshadowing the younger actor, and at the same time, the signature of Rowoon is supplemented with the veteran's experience.
Good job in picking the lead actors. They mesh well.
So far we know that something regrettable happened to FL as well as JG. Now we know they lived at the same time and they probably have forgotten it.
Then the mysterious "goal" of the original RM team.
Keep holding on, it's about to start. :)
- They were stopping Sae Byeok from getting inside the storehouse.
Unfortunately, it was too quick. I would even say that part was a bad edit or the scene should not have been included … because the next scene was they were all inside the storehouse anyway (so what's the point of stopping her).
I think, since those scenes were included, so that meant it is canon, Sae Byeok was getting emotional. Knowing her, once she sets something on her mind, she'll do it. So they stopped her to get her to calm down. They probably explained to her something, then she understood. That was when they all entered the storehouse.
Q: Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter?
A: That possibility is very slim.
There are no scenes which supports that Sae Ha and Sae Byeok became romantic, not in the original 2021 (his mother is sick) and not in the new 2021 (his mother is healthy).
But compare that to Eo Jin and Sae Byeok in episode 10. Even though they're divorced and does not want to have anything to do with each other, there was no doubt they comforted each other and slept together. (It usually happens, especially between ex'es who became friends.)
Also, Sae Ha appeared to have no time for romantic relationships. He does not like the idea that his father's death, the janitor's, and his, are fixed points in time. That's like saying, you don't have free will. And since at this point, they still had no idea they can trick time, Sae Ha's mind is more likely focused on finding a way and how to say goodbye with everyone.
Third, Sae Byeok not telling Eo Jin her daughter's name means she is his as well. It also happens in real-life. When a mother gives birth and they don't want to have anything to do with their ex (who is the father), they don't tell the father they gave birth, and if they found out, they don't give the child's name.
The idea there is because once the father knows the name, the child will no longer become a stranger for him. Since the father is suspecting the child is also his, once he learns the child's name, he will definitely feel responsible and will start sending support, protection, and everything else, even if the mother doesn't want it. At least for fathers who are not a j*rk.
This is especially true for Eo Jin. Eo Jin's name means "kind". And his character actually showed that despite him trying to hold back showing his kindness. If he learns his daughter's name, he will definitely start giving support and probably try to convince Sae Byeok that they get back together.
Which is what happened.
That was the meaning behind "You told me" when she asked him who told him Byeori's name.
A future Sae Byeok no doubt told him that her daughter is his (which he probably already suspecting) and her name is Byeori. Because of this … he felt responsible. The child is no longer a stranger. He felt close. He is a father. So he went to fetch the 2022 Sae Byeok.
^_^
- They were stopping Sae Byeok from getting inside the storehouse.
Unfortunately, it was too quick. I would even say that part was a bad edit or the scene should not have been included … because the next scene was they were all inside the storehouse anyway (so what's the point of stopping her).
I think, since those scenes were included, so that meant it is canon, Sae Byeok was getting emotional. Knowing her, once she sets something on her mind, she'll do it. So they stopped her to get her to calm down. They probably explained to her something, then she understood. That was when they all entered the storehouse.
Q: Is there a possibility if Byeori is Sae Ha's daughter?
A: That possibility is very slim.
There are no scenes which supports that Sae Ha and Sae Byeok became romantic, not in the original 2021 (his mother is sick) and not in the new 2021 (his mother is healthy).
But compare that to Eo Jin and Sae Byeok in episode 10. Even though they're divorced and does not want to have anything to do with each other, there was no doubt they comforted each other and slept together. (It usually happens, especially between ex'es who became friends.)
Also, Sae Ha appeared to have no time for romantic relationships. He does not like the idea that his father's death, the janitor's, and his, are fixed points in time. That's like saying, you don't have free will. And since at this point, they still had no idea they can trick time, Sae Ha's mind is more likely focused on finding a way and how to say goodbye with everyone.
Third, Sae Byeok not telling Eo Jin her daughter's name means she is his as well. It also happens in real-life. When a mother gives birth and they don't want to have anything to do with their ex (who is the father), they don't tell the father they gave birth, and if they found out, they don't give the child's name.
The idea there is because once the father knows the name, the child will no longer become a stranger for him. Since the father is suspecting the child is also his, once he learns the child's name, he will definitely feel responsible and will start sending support, protection, and everything else, even if the mother doesn't want it. At least for fathers who are not a j*rk.
This is especially true for Eo Jin. Eo Jin's name means "kind". And his character actually showed that despite him trying to hold back showing his kindness. If he learns his daughter's name, he will definitely start giving support and probably try to convince Sae Byeok that they get back together.
Which is what happened.
That was the meaning behind "You told me" when she asked him who told him Byeori's name.
A future Sae Byeok no doubt told him that her daughter is his (which he probably already suspecting) and her name is Byeori. Because of this … he felt responsible. The child is no longer a stranger. He felt close. He is a father. So he went to fetch the 2022 Sae Byeok.
^_^
I guess they made it that way because the episode is too deep. It worked.
"You are Maze Runner. I am Grid Runner". ROFLOL! Perfect!
To add two more reasons:
1. Having limited it to 10 episodes only restricted them. Maybe they originally planned 16 episodes then they had to compressed it to 10? For a complex plot, definitely going to be hit and miss. Unfortunately, more on that latter.
2. They way it was setup was for a novel series, usually a trilogy. The first book mainly on character development, less on the hard sciences, which is then followed up by the book 2 where the author takes the audience deeper into the world and the plot. Then finally the last book where the bigger plot finally takes place and everything is put together.
re: brain ache … for sure … especially the theories they chose to turn into fiction. In other time travel stories, when there's continuity error, it was obvious they lost track of their jumping around time … they probably gave up. But in Grid … looks like they closely tracked everything and then was not able to perfectly translate it into a live-action show. It was good in paper but once its on the screen it's broken.
Interesting. It did not occur to me to look at it that way. Thank you very much for sharing. ^_^
Yeah, that makes a lot sense now. You're way better in articulating your ideas than I do.
Yes, exactly like that when the Growing Block Universe and Relative Time are combined. There is the "relative origin time" and "relative personal time". Indeed, each is a block, what is "past" to a traveler is also their present which is also affecting other blocks.
I love how you fit in the "layers" in there. Perfect fit!
You should create a blog. ^_^ Your explanation should live and be part of history.
The 'looking at his device', I only noticed it after I re-watched the series. Since I already have questions I'm searching, I focused more on finding answers than the entertainment value--and also I took down notes of the interesting parts so I don't have to return again. I've always wondered what he was referring to and … lols, eureka moment when I noticed him looking down at his device.
Still I mistook it to mean there was something in the light. I eventually took screengrabs of the two devices but can not find anything. I was about to give up when it hit me, the devices are not the same. LOLs.
I went back and forth, looked at it side-by-side, yeah, definitely not the same!
I agree, the clues are deeply hidden and too fast for anyone to notice. They got carried away with hiding stuff. I think I wasted 40 minutes just for that device analysis, and what he meant by "it's not me, can't you see".
They did focus on the devices but who would've thought to pay attention to it. LOLs.
Still, I don't get why Sae Ha said "blue light" in that 9-year old Sae Ha scene. If everything they included in the show is a clue for something, that one is very elusive.
But yeah, "bad 'show don't tell'" in a lot of areas. I just dedicated time to find the answers because they used theories rarely used in fiction, and I want to find answers too. If it was a time travel story based on the usual theories, I won't even re-watch it and be content with what we have already.
As for the "layers" … it sounds like timelines but not. I can't put it into words but you are getting somewhere. Thank you for sharing.
I'll try to think it over and see if I can understand it more. ^_^
Re: Father … it changed a little bit. Instead of father, it's direct ancestor (who was shown in one of the episode). Definitely not Ma Nok though ;)