Did Disney+ doing good in S,Korea after launch? As someone who only like to watch the series after it complete,…
Their first was Snowdrop and it was filled with controversies. The company behind Snowdrop is currently suing everyone who spread lies about the show (probably backed by Disney too … you simply don't mess with Disney, they have money to waste going after anyone).
Fair warning: this is very long. I compiled the Q&A in the previous thread, updated what needs updating, I re-watched all 10 episodes and jotted down notes (and dialogues), and kept on re-analysing the whole series.
I had to rewrite the entire article 4 times because just when I was ready to publish it, EUREKA! There is a better explanation.
Things that changed since my last reply in the comments below: 1. Sae Ha survived. This is 100% solid!
2. Corrected the birth date of the Ghost. She did not come from 2091, she was born in 2091. This have important implications: (a) Byeori is more likely not her mother but her grandmother; and (b) her 13% DNA match with Ma Nok makes even more sense (backed by real science) … he is the Ghost's great grand uncle on her paternal side. Yes, you read that right.
3. There are two Blue Time Travelers (although 1 actor)
4. The question "if there is no Grid then the Founder/Ghost would not exist so there is no one to install the Grid" dilemma is also answered. There are 7 versions of May 18, 1997.
5. The Ghost did appear at the same time in 6 laboratories around the world, she visited one after another. However, it does not mean it is not possible … when she showed up in IRR (7th laboratory she visited), she overlapped her appearance in 3 other laboratories.
So … what is the science behind it? Care to explain for those of us who are not science students?
No, no. I don't mean it that way. Apologies for the confusion.
I just meant to please do share because your perspective will be different. Just pointing out that you are a science student and we're not, which means, you'll see things differently and have more knowledge, possibly read more papers, than most of us. ^_^
So … what is the science behind it? Care to explain for those of us who are not science students?
Because my explanations doesn't mean it's correct. If you have something that we the community doesn't know about, it's best to share it, especially since you are a "science student" and I am not. ^_^
But again, it's your choice. Just offering up that option.
1. I think I figured out who the Ghost's father is. - I'm 99% sure on this one.
2. I think I found out why the DNA of the Ghost was corrupted. - I'm 50-50 on this one currently.
3. I think I found the answer to the dilemma of the Grid == if the Grid doesn't exist, there is no Ghost. If there is no Ghost, there is no Grid. So how was the Grid installed?
It was not a time loop. It was not a time bubble.
There is a perfect answer. ^_^ It's somewhere in the last few episodes but can be very easily missed.
I'll have the 1st and 3rd items in my article tomorrow. The 2nd item, I hope I can include it.
Probably some were answered already. If you have questions which were not answered yet, or something is still confusing, feel free to ask in that thread. ^_^
I'm also two-thirds done compiling all the questions, I'll have it published in my blog tomorrow.
If you were reading my earlier analyses of the show, I mentioned that sometime after 2021 the Grid stopped working,…
Good points!
Yeah, it appears that she's around in 2021 for a very deep reason. While it appears she failed the distraction of the Grid in 2022, she now have a team of time travelers instead of working alone.
Bigger chance of preventing the Grid's destruction … or, they can build backup systems and support for the Grid those who are against it doesn't know.
I think this drama use the Growing Block Universe Theory.
Oooh, yeah, that's a very good point.
Initially, I was thinking that it can't be the Growing Block because the Ghost already exists. For it to apply, we'll need to identity what is the "present".
But now that you explained it, it makes more sense, especially if Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is applied: time is relative to the observer.
Combined, the future is yet to be relative to the origin time of a time traveler.
The Ghost can exist because her origin time is 2091 but she herself can not travel beyond her origin time.
Lol i have one more question. Why Kim Manok had 13% matched DNA with Ghost? If the existence of Kim Manok just…
In a way, yes, there are many. It's just that they can not be in proximity with each other because the "latest" (or "older") version will always trump the earlier version.
There are only multiple copies of himself as far as time travel is concerned. Let's say the Ghost met an earlier version of Sae Ha, that's one version of Sae Ha. Later, the Ghost meets up with the Sae Ha in 2022 who picked up Sae Byeok, her daughter, and Eo Jin, that's another version of Sae Ha.
But, technically speaking, there will always be only one Sae Ha, who will always need to die in 2021 by the hands of Man Ok.
Is it possible to have a totally different version of Sae Ha? I believe it is.
Let's say the time traveling Sae Ha did not visit the year 2002 after he changed reality. That means, the Sae Ha of that reality still exists.
Sometime later, that Sae Ha acquired a time traveling device and started to time travel.
Now, we have two independent Sae Ha, with different pasts and experiences.
Can they meet? What will happen if they do, who will replace who, if the other Sae Ha also came from 2021?
That, we can not answer because the show did not touch on that. We can try but it's going to be "fan fiction".
But, it is indeed possible. (I think I saw this setup in another show or book.)
1- why did Ki Hong Lee ( the ghost with the blue device) is saving Saeha? 2- why did he say "it's not me, can't…
Q1- why did Ki Hong Lee ( the ghost with the blue device) is saving Saeha?
A: Two plausible reasons: a. This version of the time traveler is the same as the time traveler who attacked the Ghost but this version had a changed of heart. From his relative time, it is posisble that a year or two already passed. b. The other possibility is, he is not the same guy as the one who attacked the Ghost.
Q2- why did he say "it's not me, can't you see it?" to the ghost? A: Same as above. Since he is wearing the same clothes and holding a blue time travel device, the Ghost misidentified him.
If the scenario is (a), see above, then he's telling the Ghost that he is not the version of himself who attacked her. That was his much earlier, younger self before he had a change of heart.
If the scenario is (b), then he was simply telling her, "I'm not him, do I look like him?"
Q3- I didn't understand the last five minutes of the episode, which version is this Saeha? and why he's with the ghost? if she killed him why was he with her when they took Byeori? and what's this building they entered?
A: The Sae Ha sometime between May 18, 1997 (the one chatting with the Ghost) and before his death.
As long as Sae Ha has a time travel device, he can travel any where and any time for as long as he wants before that death.
Q4- Did future Saebyeok travelled to the past (2022) and asked Eojin to go to her and ask her to leave the house with Byeori to save their life? or Is that a future Eojin went back to the past (2022)?
A: Future Sae Byeok, at least as far as Eo Jin's dialogue is concerned when he was asked how he knew her daughter's name, "you told me". It is a clue that a future Sae Byeok convinced Eo Jin of 2022 to fetch her and her daughter because someone else is about to visit them (probably kidnap or murder).
>> There is someone told me that she was considering a sequal for the drama.
== If that's true, then I hope it does happen. ^_^
Thank you for all the questions. You also helped in the process. Because you all kept asking, I was able to remember…
If you were reading my earlier analyses of the show, I mentioned that sometime after 2021 the Grid stopped working, which resulted in the Ghost traveling back in time, to 1997.
Initially, my assumption was the Grid simply failed, so the Ghost is trying to find a way to make the AB install a better version.
However, as of episode 10, it is only partly true. The Grid failing was not the cause, they were attacked in 2022, completely destroyed.
The future the Ghost came from, 2091, is no different from the "No Grid Reality" Sae Ha witnessed after the first solar flare.
Remember how Sae Ha asked the Ghost in episode 10 if her time period were also full of people sick because of the Solar Flare? At first I did not understand why because in the "No Grid Reality", The Ghost was never born.
Now it makes sense. Again, sometime in 2022 the Grid was destroyed. So from 2022 to 2091, there was another solar flare which devastated the world. Without the Grid, the world is at the mercy of the Solar Flare.
Because of this, the weird scene about the old guy and his assistant mentioning that the Grid was destroyed from all the times and all layers, also finally makes sense. They were not talking about the 1997 Grid, they were talking about the destruction of the Grid in 2022.
It is still unclear if their faction is for or against the Grid because at some point, the old guy said "will it ever stop?" There's no way to know their faction's stance. Also, no one is still asking this, the camera panned showing a sleeping (or dead?) body of the Ghost. I don't have an answer for that. (A clone? A cyborg? Or, her dead body? No idea.)
Anyway, this is why Sae Ha asked the Ghost if in her time people were suffering and the Ghost confirmed it. The Grid was destroyed and there was no way for them to bring it back online.
Which eventually led to the Ghost traveling back to May 18, 1997 from 2091.
Why?
Because the inventors of time travel, the factions who are trying to control different realities, also need the 1997 Grid to exist. If that doesn't exist, they won't exist.
They all need the 1997 Grid to exist, for unselfish and selfish reasons. Unfortunately for them, they also need the Ghost to be born because without her, there is no 1997 Grid. It simply is a fixed point. There is no way to change that.
(Which made me realize just now, maybe the faction we were shown in Episode 10 with the body of the Ghost lying on a table, is indeed a clone or a cyborg. Their faction probably found a way to remove the Ghost from the equation by replacing her with a fake one. The 1997 Grid will still be created with one important change, they don't need the Ghost to be born. Sae Ha's father still needs to die. Man Ok's father doesn't need to die. Sae Ha doesn't need to die.)
These factions are probably politicians and businessmen who South Korea controlled when they scared them about a time traveler, since SoKor made these nations and businesses shut up, SoKor was able to declare Sae Ha's father as the inventor of the Grid (even though he wasn't, he was just working on it).
These nations, labs, businesses, probably loathed South Korea. Once they found a way to time travel themselves, they destroyed the Grid in 2022 while ensuring they have control of the world between 2022 and 2091 even without the Grid. To hell with billions of people suffering as long as they're in control.
They also don't like the No 1997 Grid Reality because in that reality, The R&D company of Sae Ha's parents is the number 1 in the world, which means, South Korea is powerful. So, they need the 1997 Grid in place because it ensures Sae Ha's father dies.
Then they can destroy the Grid in 2022.
I'm starting to think we need a Season 2. I want to know how they are going to fight the factions who agreed to destroy the Grid in 2022.
Thank you for all the questions. You also helped in the process. Because you all kept asking, I was able to remember additional scenes and also able to make new connections, I wouldn't have made otherwise.
Why did the main guy have to die again? So that the main girl will be depressed and have a baby with her ex-husband?…
As for the Grid "gets destroyed eventually anyway", that's just why the Ghost existed in the first place. In her time, 2091, the Grid was destroyed. So she went back to May 18, 1997 to install the first Grid and find a way to stop it being destroyed in 2022.
Why did the main guy have to die again? So that the main girl will be depressed and have a baby with her ex-husband?…
The ML dying is a fixed point in time. When something is a fixed point, it must happen no matter what, otherwise, everything will unravel.
As the Ghost explained, if he doesn't die by the hands of Man Ok, she and her mother would never be born. Without her, the Grid will not be finished by May 18, 1997.
The ML doesn't want to see a world without the Grid, with people suffering from various diseases and degenerative DNA damages.
If you've heard of the adage "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", that is exactly what the ML realized. Saving his own life, and giving her mother a happy life, is nothing compared to the suffering billions upon billions of people will have to go through without the Grid.
The ML already witnessed a reality without the Grid. Sure, they became rich because his father built the number one company involved developing medicine and continually researching a way to cure the disease they all got from the solar flare.
It's good and all. For him and his parents. But not for the billions of people affected and are suffering.
If you were in his position, what would your decision be?
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Re: Father … it changed a little bit. Instead of father, it's direct ancestor (who was shown in one of the episode). Definitely not Ma Nok though ;)
Do refresh the main page of Grid, I posted a new comment with the link. (I'm avoiding re-posting the link but trigger some anti-spam script.)
Fair warning: this is very long. I compiled the Q&A in the previous thread, updated what needs updating, I re-watched all 10 episodes and jotted down notes (and dialogues), and kept on re-analysing the whole series.
I had to rewrite the entire article 4 times because just when I was ready to publish it, EUREKA! There is a better explanation.
Things that changed since my last reply in the comments below:
1. Sae Ha survived. This is 100% solid!
2. Corrected the birth date of the Ghost. She did not come from 2091, she was born in 2091. This have important implications: (a) Byeori is more likely not her mother but her grandmother; and (b) her 13% DNA match with Ma Nok makes even more sense (backed by real science) … he is the Ghost's great grand uncle on her paternal side. Yes, you read that right.
3. There are two Blue Time Travelers (although 1 actor)
4. The question "if there is no Grid then the Founder/Ghost would not exist so there is no one to install the Grid" dilemma is also answered. There are 7 versions of May 18, 1997.
5. The Ghost did appear at the same time in 6 laboratories around the world, she visited one after another. However, it does not mean it is not possible … when she showed up in IRR (7th laboratory she visited), she overlapped her appearance in 3 other laboratories.
And many, many more!
I hope it's all worth it. ^_^
Enjoy reading!
(original thread of QnA: https://mydramalist.com/690687-zero#comment-9405843 )
I just meant to please do share because your perspective will be different. Just pointing out that you are a science student and we're not, which means, you'll see things differently and have more knowledge, possibly read more papers, than most of us. ^_^
I think you will all love this new version. ^_^
But again, it's your choice. Just offering up that option.
1. I think I figured out who the Ghost's father is. - I'm 99% sure on this one.
2. I think I found out why the DNA of the Ghost was corrupted. - I'm 50-50 on this one currently.
3. I think I found the answer to the dilemma of the Grid == if the Grid doesn't exist, there is no Ghost. If there is no Ghost, there is no Grid. So how was the Grid installed?
It was not a time loop.
It was not a time bubble.
There is a perfect answer. ^_^ It's somewhere in the last few episodes but can be very easily missed.
I'll have the 1st and 3rd items in my article tomorrow. The 2nd item, I hope I can include it.
For Grid ==> My "Grid Explained" post will be up before Sunday ends globally (UTC-12).
Probably some were answered already. If you have questions which were not answered yet, or something is still confusing, feel free to ask in that thread. ^_^
I'm also two-thirds done compiling all the questions, I'll have it published in my blog tomorrow.
Yeah, it appears that she's around in 2021 for a very deep reason. While it appears she failed the distraction of the Grid in 2022, she now have a team of time travelers instead of working alone.
Bigger chance of preventing the Grid's destruction … or, they can build backup systems and support for the Grid those who are against it doesn't know.
Initially, I was thinking that it can't be the Growing Block because the Ghost already exists. For it to apply, we'll need to identity what is the "present".
But now that you explained it, it makes more sense, especially if Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is applied: time is relative to the observer.
Combined, the future is yet to be relative to the origin time of a time traveler.
The Ghost can exist because her origin time is 2091 but she herself can not travel beyond her origin time.
OOh, I love that. Perfectly fits!
There are only multiple copies of himself as far as time travel is concerned. Let's say the Ghost met an earlier version of Sae Ha, that's one version of Sae Ha. Later, the Ghost meets up with the Sae Ha in 2022 who picked up Sae Byeok, her daughter, and Eo Jin, that's another version of Sae Ha.
But, technically speaking, there will always be only one Sae Ha, who will always need to die in 2021 by the hands of Man Ok.
Is it possible to have a totally different version of Sae Ha? I believe it is.
Let's say the time traveling Sae Ha did not visit the year 2002 after he changed reality. That means, the Sae Ha of that reality still exists.
Sometime later, that Sae Ha acquired a time traveling device and started to time travel.
Now, we have two independent Sae Ha, with different pasts and experiences.
Can they meet? What will happen if they do, who will replace who, if the other Sae Ha also came from 2021?
That, we can not answer because the show did not touch on that. We can try but it's going to be "fan fiction".
But, it is indeed possible. (I think I saw this setup in another show or book.)
A: Two plausible reasons:
a. This version of the time traveler is the same as the time traveler who attacked the Ghost but this version had a changed of heart. From his relative time, it is posisble that a year or two already passed.
b. The other possibility is, he is not the same guy as the one who attacked the Ghost.
Q2- why did he say "it's not me, can't you see it?" to the ghost?
A: Same as above. Since he is wearing the same clothes and holding a blue time travel device, the Ghost misidentified him.
If the scenario is (a), see above, then he's telling the Ghost that he is not the version of himself who attacked her. That was his much earlier, younger self before he had a change of heart.
If the scenario is (b), then he was simply telling her, "I'm not him, do I look like him?"
Q3- I didn't understand the last five minutes of the episode, which version is this Saeha? and why he's with the ghost? if she killed him why was he with her when they took Byeori? and what's this building they entered?
A: The Sae Ha sometime between May 18, 1997 (the one chatting with the Ghost) and before his death.
As long as Sae Ha has a time travel device, he can travel any where and any time for as long as he wants before that death.
Q4- Did future Saebyeok travelled to the past (2022) and asked Eojin to go to her and ask her to leave the house with Byeori to save their life? or Is that a future Eojin went back to the past (2022)?
A: Future Sae Byeok, at least as far as Eo Jin's dialogue is concerned when he was asked how he knew her daughter's name, "you told me". It is a clue that a future Sae Byeok convinced Eo Jin of 2022 to fetch her and her daughter because someone else is about to visit them (probably kidnap or murder).
>> There is someone told me that she was considering a sequal for the drama.
== If that's true, then I hope it does happen. ^_^
Initially, my assumption was the Grid simply failed, so the Ghost is trying to find a way to make the AB install a better version.
However, as of episode 10, it is only partly true. The Grid failing was not the cause, they were attacked in 2022, completely destroyed.
The future the Ghost came from, 2091, is no different from the "No Grid Reality" Sae Ha witnessed after the first solar flare.
Remember how Sae Ha asked the Ghost in episode 10 if her time period were also full of people sick because of the Solar Flare? At first I did not understand why because in the "No Grid Reality", The Ghost was never born.
Now it makes sense. Again, sometime in 2022 the Grid was destroyed. So from 2022 to 2091, there was another solar flare which devastated the world. Without the Grid, the world is at the mercy of the Solar Flare.
Because of this, the weird scene about the old guy and his assistant mentioning that the Grid was destroyed from all the times and all layers, also finally makes sense. They were not talking about the 1997 Grid, they were talking about the destruction of the Grid in 2022.
It is still unclear if their faction is for or against the Grid because at some point, the old guy said "will it ever stop?" There's no way to know their faction's stance. Also, no one is still asking this, the camera panned showing a sleeping (or dead?) body of the Ghost. I don't have an answer for that. (A clone? A cyborg? Or, her dead body? No idea.)
Anyway, this is why Sae Ha asked the Ghost if in her time people were suffering and the Ghost confirmed it. The Grid was destroyed and there was no way for them to bring it back online.
Which eventually led to the Ghost traveling back to May 18, 1997 from 2091.
Why?
Because the inventors of time travel, the factions who are trying to control different realities, also need the 1997 Grid to exist. If that doesn't exist, they won't exist.
They all need the 1997 Grid to exist, for unselfish and selfish reasons. Unfortunately for them, they also need the Ghost to be born because without her, there is no 1997 Grid. It simply is a fixed point. There is no way to change that.
(Which made me realize just now, maybe the faction we were shown in Episode 10 with the body of the Ghost lying on a table, is indeed a clone or a cyborg. Their faction probably found a way to remove the Ghost from the equation by replacing her with a fake one. The 1997 Grid will still be created with one important change, they don't need the Ghost to be born. Sae Ha's father still needs to die. Man Ok's father doesn't need to die. Sae Ha doesn't need to die.)
These factions are probably politicians and businessmen who South Korea controlled when they scared them about a time traveler, since SoKor made these nations and businesses shut up, SoKor was able to declare Sae Ha's father as the inventor of the Grid (even though he wasn't, he was just working on it).
These nations, labs, businesses, probably loathed South Korea. Once they found a way to time travel themselves, they destroyed the Grid in 2022 while ensuring they have control of the world between 2022 and 2091 even without the Grid. To hell with billions of people suffering as long as they're in control.
They also don't like the No 1997 Grid Reality because in that reality, The R&D company of Sae Ha's parents is the number 1 in the world, which means, South Korea is powerful. So, they need the 1997 Grid in place because it ensures Sae Ha's father dies.
Then they can destroy the Grid in 2022.
I'm starting to think we need a Season 2. I want to know how they are going to fight the factions who agreed to destroy the Grid in 2022.
Here's one example (see below).
Oh, and if you have questions, I'll try to answer them in this thread: https://mydramalist.com/690687-zero#comment-9405843
As the Ghost explained, if he doesn't die by the hands of Man Ok, she and her mother would never be born. Without her, the Grid will not be finished by May 18, 1997.
The ML doesn't want to see a world without the Grid, with people suffering from various diseases and degenerative DNA damages.
If you've heard of the adage "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", that is exactly what the ML realized. Saving his own life, and giving her mother a happy life, is nothing compared to the suffering billions upon billions of people will have to go through without the Grid.
The ML already witnessed a reality without the Grid. Sure, they became rich because his father built the number one company involved developing medicine and continually researching a way to cure the disease they all got from the solar flare.
It's good and all. For him and his parents. But not for the billions of people affected and are suffering.
If you were in his position, what would your decision be?