I don't understand JHK's goodwill towards ki jun at all. Not even a little bit. She kept calling him a good person,…
It is not "dumb shit". It does happen in real-life far more frequently than society wants you to believe.
Society, mass media, and social media, wants you to believe that exes can never be friends. That is a complete fat lie.
Exes becoming friends is actually very common. Again, as I've said earlier, mature adults.
Some say, if you are friends with your ex, then you have not moved on. The truth is, it is the other way around.
If you can not stomach seeing your ex's shadow or hear your ex's voice, then YOU have NOT moved on at all. A person who truly moved on will no longer have any emotional reaction when they cross paths with their ex. Because … they moved on. There is nothing. There is no anger. There is no romantic love. There is no jealousy. There is no bitterness. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
A mature adult knows that full well. A mature adult knows that they can be friends with their ex'es if they so choose. Or, be colleagues if not friends. If one asks for advice, they can to, again if they so choose.
Did you notice how SW and YJ tried to stop their better halves from talking to their ex'es? AND YET they themselves talk behind their backs? That is a sign of an adult who hasn't matured yet.
Eventually, SW matured himself. He even started listening to KJ instead of him shutting him down. He slowly learned that KJ is only looking after them two. Yes, KJ was jealous, KJ was suspicious of SW, KJ was a total jerk trying to break them up, but KJ eventually supported them, and SW himself realized this.
It's too bad they did not how YJ matured herself. It would've been interesting seeing YJ and HK. At least on HK's side, she was happy when KJ showed her a recording of their baby's heart beat. We can deduce that she let go of her anger towards YJ. But on YJ's side, we weren't given even the slightest hint that she moved on, I wish they did even for just one scene or a passing dialogue. Instead they focused on YJ's maturity as a mother (which itself is very good).
Again, as I've said before, this is not about rape, physical and mental abuse, bullying, or any very traumatic experiences. Those are not relationships.
I don't understand JHK's goodwill towards ki jun at all. Not even a little bit. She kept calling him a good person,…
Welcome to being a matured adult. ;)
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm not mocking or patronizing you. It just what it is. When you go through the same experience in life, you learn these things.
Her ex-fiancee is a good person. He was a fool. He made a mistake. He cheated on her. That is all true, no one is denying that, no one is erasing that. She knows it full well herself, after all, she's the one who experienced it. But beyond all that, he is a good person.
He learned from it. He continually makes an effort to be a better person, especially for his wife. He himself matured by letting go of HK and supporting her relationship with SW. He is even a good friend afterwards, giving good advices but without pushing himself. He is just there as a friend, as a support.
That is a good person. That is a mature adult. And they both are. She let go of their past. She has forgiven him. She herself is a friend to him. She and his wife may not see eye-to-eye, there probably will be animosity between them, after all, she stole him from her, but as a mature adult, she can be a supportive friend to him.
That's what life is. That's what relationships are. That's what being a mature adult is all about.
Special note: We are not talking about rape, murder, bullying, physical and mental abuse, and any very traumatic experiences.
Even though they chose the "and they ALL lived happily ever after", the road to that was well-written. They did not just jump into that conclusion, they still went through and highlighted the trials and tribulations of each relationship (romantic, family, parent-children, work). They avoided the common pitfall in the "they lived happily ever after" ending.
Episode 16 will be about how they eventually went their separate ways.Noticed how in Episode 15 Hee Do said her…
His father is not a criminal. They filed their bankruptcy properly. Just like in any bankruptcy, not all employees receive anything. Even if they all did, only a small fraction is given … because well … the company is bankrupt.
His father is hiding because in Korea, they love to invade a person's personal space, and even get physical. It is rare to see that kind of "reaction" in other countries where bankruptcies happened--people know they shouldn't cross the line. But in Korea, at least as far as this show has demonstrated, they will cross the line, forget about anti-trespassing and privacy laws … give us back our money or die.
These are the surname rules in Korea: 1. Both husband and wife retain their maiden names. 2. The children will inherit their father's surname UNLESS it was agreed during marriage of their parents that they will use their mother's surname. 3. You can not change your surnames
In January 1, 2008, children were given the right to adopt their mother's surname, even their step-parent's surname. I am not sure how easy it is to change your surname (again, surname … changing your given name is very, very, very, easy in Korea since 2005).
Going back, everyone knew who Baek Yi Jin is in the late 90s and early 2000s. When he became a full-pledged reporter, he still uses that name.
If he did change his name, again the January 1, 2008 law, then sure, it is a possibility, since Hee Do was married sometime early 2009 (or late 2008).
However, again, Hee Do's daughter doesn't know who Baek Yi Jin is (or was). She would've reacted or have realized the Yi Jin in the diaries was/is her father.
Again, I'm not saying it's not possible. Just that, things point to them going their separate ways before the 2009 San Francisco fencing tournament.
Gaaaah.... I can 't take it anymore. Episode 15 is too much!!!!
The Madrid match itself is TOO MUCH already, then they add even more after that.
- It's so hard to watch if you understand the story. - It's so hard to watch if you can relate. - It's so hard to watch if you know how to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
As Hee Do said, "only them knows how hard it was for them to meet at the finals on the opposing sides". That is BEYOND friendship. That is LOVE. That is UNDERSTANDING. That alone, that match alone, even though it was all fiction, the emotions, the hardships, it all happens in real life, all of it were REAL.
How the media and the public controlled their narrative. How they tried to break them apart, to the point that they had to keep things to themselves.
Yu Rim's decision to stop reading Hee Do's emails and to stop replying … that too was her being professional because they are unintentionally slipping things your competitor shouldn't know. She had to make a choice and she had to do it first AND she can't make herself to explain it to Hee Do because it hurts so much.
Most people wouldn't understand that, they say "she could've explained it" but it isn't easy. Sometimes not explaining something, sometimes just keeping quiet and disappearing, is the best method … believe it or not, it hurts less that way.
And it made them both stronger.
The pain, they used it as a drive, as a force, so they can meet in the finals.
It was also right for Hee Do to have refused to meet Yu Rim before the semi-finals. She was right in thinking "because I have to win". If they have met, it will definitely break their resolve and it wouldn't be fair for them as athletes (forget about the the countries they represent and the fans).
Some probably thought it was "revenge". Not at all. Yu Rim had to be the stronger person during their email-ing days. This time, it was Hee Do who had to be the stronger person.
It hurts but it must be that way. They will never resolve their rivalry, since they were kids, unless they face each other as complete rivals for one last time. Remember how they suddenly became friends? Their rivalry in fencing was never resolved. Even though they've met already once, they both represented the same flag -- and it was personal.
They need to close their professional rivalry.
After the match, that saga of their lives finally ended. So even if they once again meet representing different countries, all the tension, all the pressure, everything that they went through, it will all be gone. They'll be meeting as "friends" … finally. Two human beings who share their love and passion for the sports, and enjoying meeting each other in the finals.
--- Sorry, I need to get all the emotions out. I can't stop crying during that Madrid match … and it's freaking fiction.
Are the new preview clip misleading us or they are into something...It can be in two ways of viewing..Which one…
Episode 16 will be about how they eventually went their separate ways.
Noticed how in Episode 15 Hee Do said her support is no longer reaching him? That was the moment they started to drift apart.
Actually, it's earlier than that but I won't give clues :p watch it again haha.
Anyway, recall that in episode 14, during the San Francisco medal interview, Hee Do said, in two versions: she'll continually support Yi Jin no matter where he may be. The first version was the "interview" version wherein it's "neutral" but the two them understands. The second version was a very personal message that Hee Do only articulated in her mind.
In that interview, and in those moments, both of them were sad. Very sad. It was clear that there was something they regret, a "what if". On Yi Jin's part, it was something like "I wish I chose you before my career" and on Hee Do's part "I wish I did more to reach out to you".
They even both tried to smile. That in itself is meaningful. They were both thinking about their 25-21 moments, their happy memories. Memories that would have been but did not last because of their choices in life. If you've ever experienced something like this, you'll understand the feeling and how hard it is to smile because reality is slamming against it instantly. You want to live in that moment but reality is crashing you that that moment is gone, forever.
That interview was epic because the world no doubt thought it was just another interview of two people who've known each other for a long time BUT the whole interview was full of regrets and memories that only the two of them understands and can relate. They were sending messages, "support"/hope, to each other, while being reminded that they're over and can never go back.
Updated: corrected the year 2049 to 2091 (also corrected Section 6). I remembered incorrectly the year the Ghost…
>> Even if that was the case they would be able to fix it because they had already advanced the technology that the Ghost gave them back in 1997. Sae Ha said upon arriving the first time in 1997 and saw her typing the code in the pc that they didn't use anymore this software. And the manager in the lab ( that one that was killed ) said the same. That they had advanced the technology in between. So it wasn't like they didn't have the means to fix the Grid and at the end of the day they didn't have a reason to update that much that technology as the solar flare didn't change. The Grid was there to protect them from the same thing probably a collapse of the Earth's magnetic shield.
>> In less than a century...?
== Yes. It only took us less than half a century to advance our computer technology. Now imagine how far advance a society can became between 2021 and 2091.
== The first mobile phone was made by Motorola in 1973. In 1992, IBM released the first smartphone, that is a difference of 19 years only. 2002 Blackberry released their first smartphone. 2007, the first iPhone was released by Apple. 2008, the first commercially available Android smartphone was released by HTC.
== Yes, science & technology improves very fast. We normally do not realise it because we are taking these advancements for granted (not to mention, mass media and social media does not concentrate on the history of S&T, only the features). Between 2021 and 2091, that's 70 years worth of S&T advancement.
== Eventually, humanity will forget how old stuff works.
== For those native in 1997 and 2021, yes, "we are no longer using this". However, from someone who came from 2091, they have no idea because they no longer use and know what technology were used in 1997. They simply assumed, dug up historical records, studied it, sent the Ghost back, hoping her training of "old tech" would be enough.
>> No this can't be the case as I explained above. She was born way to late. The failure to install the Grid and her followed disappearance means that she or her parents were affected by the solar flare. She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation.
== It doesn't matter when the Ghost was born. She disappeared because she failed to finish the Grid within the time window/bubble because she was distracted by SH. Because she did not finish it, then reality returned back to the 'no grid reality'. Why she did not return is also not important. For all we know, she was born but there was no time travel technology yet. She was simply erased as a time traveler because her 'grid reality' no longer exist.
>> Why? Any time prior to the collapse of the Earth's magnetic field would have been just fine. She could travel at any time she wanted with the device.
== Again, there is only a fixed time window/bubble the grid can be installed. This was proven in episode 7 when she was distracted. She was supposed to finish the code within the time window/bubble but she failed.
== For example, if the time window/bubble to install the grid code is between 13:10 and 13:20 (UTC) then, if she fails to install it by 13:20, everything will return to the 'no grid reality'. This is what happened in episode 7, this is why she disappeared.
== This is also the reason why all the time of her appearance in various labs around the world was exactly the same time in UTC. This is her only window. She can not do it before or after the window.
== "Why?" We do not know, at least not yet. But the time window/bubble is established. Otherwise, why would she bother to appear in various labs around the world at exactly the same time in UTC? Remember, in that CCTV episode, the characters realized the time stamp on the CCTV tapes are all the same when converted to UTC.
== If there is no time window/bubble, then why did she disappear? Why did she not disappear the first time, the second time, the third time, the fourth time? Why did she disappear only after she was distracted by SH? Why was it the Ghost was so focused on finishing the code?
== The answer is, there is a fixed window to do it. She needs to finish it. But when SH distracted her, she stopped typing. She turned. She listened. It was too late when she realized what she had done, she knew it herself that if the window passes without finishing the code, reality will return to the 'no grid reality'.
>> That among other things but what I'm saying is that if she doesn't exist in the " no grid " reality then she can't go back in time to give them the Grid. But she does exist in the "no grid" time line, and that is her motive to go back to give them the Grid and when she fails to do so she just disappears! This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality.
== I honestly do not know anymore what you are getting at because you are contradicting yourself. For example, you said and I quote, "She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation", then a paragraph later you said and I quote, "This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality." Then later in another reply, you said and again I quote, "she was born in an non destroyed world. Because in the no Grid world she simply doesn't exist".
== So, what exactly are you getting at? Does she exist in the 'no grid reality' or not? It's hard to continue the discussion if you are switching back and forth.
>> I don't think that this works this way because in order for SH to get the device she should exist in the first place in the "no Grid" world. But the writer showed us in this episode that she doesn't because when she failed to install the Grid she just disappeared. If she doesn't exist in destroyed world she can't go back in the past to give him the device.
== If it doesn't work that way, then how can you explain SH time traveling with the portable time travel device?
== It does work that way. Science fiction writers have used these tropes a lot. It's not unique to the Grid. The only explanation currently, unless you can provide a better one, is that objects do not disappear even if the time traveler who brought it is erased (as a time traveler).
>> I 've mentioned that in my previous comment. The device didn't came from the non destroyed world, by the time that the Ghost lady manage to install the Grid once. From this point and on they had the technology to save the world. The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid. But on the other hand she doesn't exist in the destroyed world either in order to have the motive to use the device and go back to teach them how to make the Grid. That is the paradox no 2.
== Let's break it down.
>> 1. "The device didn't came from the non destroyed world" >> 2. After installing the Grid: "The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid" >> 3. "She doesn't exist in the destroyed world" so "in order to have the motive to use the device and go back"
There is a contradiction in what you said. == a. In #3 you said that the Ghost does not exist in the 'no grid reality'. == b. In #3 you said that 'in order to have the motive to use the device'. == c. But in #1 you said that the device did not come from the 'no grid reality'. == d. And if she does not exist in the 'no grid reality' (see #3), then who needs a "motive to use the device and go back"?
== Again, the only plausible explanation why the device still exists even after the Ghost disappeared was because: (1) time travel devices do not disappear; or (2) non-living things do not disappear; or (3) the time travel device also exist in the "new" reality; or any combination of those.
== As I've said, these are common tropes in time travel scifi. Even Star Trek itself used each of those tropes before. In the K-drama Sisyphus: The Myth, they used the (2) non-living things trope. In the Western film "The Adam Project" they used the (2) non-living things trope too.
== Until we know what will be revealed in episodes 8, 9, and 10, these are the only plausible explanations currently.
== Here's the thing. If the Ghost exists in the 'no grid reality' and the Ghost was sent to 1997 from 2091, then she wouldn't disappear in the first place because the time loop is still intact. However, the mere fact that she disappeared means that the time loop was broken. It can only be broken if the Ghost was not born in the 'no grid reality' or time travel was not yet invented during the lifetime of the Ghost in the 'no grid reality'. If it is the latter, then it means someone else will travel back to 1997 to install the first iteration of the grid.
== In episode 7, we later saw SH finishing the Grid code. If he can do that, then the 'grid reality' will return and the time loop will resume. I already saw the preview of episode 8 and well … spoiler. I also have a theory about the relationship of the Ghost and SH and what their connection is as far as time travel is concerned (one hint: episode 1), if this is correct--we'll hopefully find out in episode 8--then I'll share it.
== Anyway, we need to operate based on what we've seen from episodes 1 to 7 and then fill in the gaps based on what are the existing tropes and real-world theories. The show is not yet over so jumping to "it's a paradox" or "it is a plot hole" or "the writer made a mistake" or "it's a continuity error" is a disservice to the writer at this point. We need to approach this by trying to understand what the writer have in mind by explaining things, first and foremost "in-universe", and secondly by using existing tropes and real-world theories.
== The process is always, especially if the series is not yet over: 1. Try to explain it based on the information revealed from the entire series. This is called "in-universe explanation". 2. Try to explain it using existing tropes and real-world theories. 3. If #1 and #2 fails, then and only then can we conclude it was a paradox, a plot hole, a writer error, or a continuity error.
Yeah. I myself is having a hard time reconciling episode 7 with what were revealed from the first 6 episodes.I…
True. Once a story becomes too hard to follow, it loses its appeal too, no point continuing.
There is depth and there is no depth. They reveal something, establish it, then suddenly leaves us with contradictions. Crazy lols. You won't even see this style of storytelling in the West.
I think the last time I saw this style was from a Japanese movie or anime.
Hmm… I think it was Battle Royale?
The anime Serial Experiments Lain also fits. You won't understand it unless you finished all 13 episodes. Then if you keep on re-watching it, you will understand it more and more.
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Society, mass media, and social media, wants you to believe that exes can never be friends. That is a complete fat lie.
Exes becoming friends is actually very common. Again, as I've said earlier, mature adults.
Some say, if you are friends with your ex, then you have not moved on. The truth is, it is the other way around.
If you can not stomach seeing your ex's shadow or hear your ex's voice, then YOU have NOT moved on at all. A person who truly moved on will no longer have any emotional reaction when they cross paths with their ex. Because … they moved on. There is nothing. There is no anger. There is no romantic love. There is no jealousy. There is no bitterness. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
A mature adult knows that full well. A mature adult knows that they can be friends with their ex'es if they so choose. Or, be colleagues if not friends. If one asks for advice, they can to, again if they so choose.
Did you notice how SW and YJ tried to stop their better halves from talking to their ex'es? AND YET they themselves talk behind their backs? That is a sign of an adult who hasn't matured yet.
Eventually, SW matured himself. He even started listening to KJ instead of him shutting him down. He slowly learned that KJ is only looking after them two. Yes, KJ was jealous, KJ was suspicious of SW, KJ was a total jerk trying to break them up, but KJ eventually supported them, and SW himself realized this.
It's too bad they did not how YJ matured herself. It would've been interesting seeing YJ and HK. At least on HK's side, she was happy when KJ showed her a recording of their baby's heart beat. We can deduce that she let go of her anger towards YJ. But on YJ's side, we weren't given even the slightest hint that she moved on, I wish they did even for just one scene or a passing dialogue. Instead they focused on YJ's maturity as a mother (which itself is very good).
Again, as I've said before, this is not about rape, physical and mental abuse, bullying, or any very traumatic experiences. Those are not relationships.
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm not mocking or patronizing you. It just what it is. When you go through the same experience in life, you learn these things.
Her ex-fiancee is a good person. He was a fool. He made a mistake. He cheated on her. That is all true, no one is denying that, no one is erasing that. She knows it full well herself, after all, she's the one who experienced it. But beyond all that, he is a good person.
He learned from it. He continually makes an effort to be a better person, especially for his wife. He himself matured by letting go of HK and supporting her relationship with SW. He is even a good friend afterwards, giving good advices but without pushing himself. He is just there as a friend, as a support.
That is a good person. That is a mature adult. And they both are. She let go of their past. She has forgiven him. She herself is a friend to him. She and his wife may not see eye-to-eye, there probably will be animosity between them, after all, she stole him from her, but as a mature adult, she can be a supportive friend to him.
That's what life is. That's what relationships are. That's what being a mature adult is all about.
Special note: We are not talking about rape, murder, bullying, physical and mental abuse, and any very traumatic experiences.
Well done. Touching. Memorable.
Best of all
Full of LIFE LESSONS!
This is an investment, I hope it will turn out good along the way.
His father is hiding because in Korea, they love to invade a person's personal space, and even get physical. It is rare to see that kind of "reaction" in other countries where bankruptcies happened--people know they shouldn't cross the line. But in Korea, at least as far as this show has demonstrated, they will cross the line, forget about anti-trespassing and privacy laws … give us back our money or die.
These are the surname rules in Korea:
1. Both husband and wife retain their maiden names.
2. The children will inherit their father's surname UNLESS it was agreed during marriage of their parents that they will use their mother's surname.
3. You can not change your surnames
In January 1, 2008, children were given the right to adopt their mother's surname, even their step-parent's surname. I am not sure how easy it is to change your surname (again, surname … changing your given name is very, very, very, easy in Korea since 2005).
Going back, everyone knew who Baek Yi Jin is in the late 90s and early 2000s. When he became a full-pledged reporter, he still uses that name.
If he did change his name, again the January 1, 2008 law, then sure, it is a possibility, since Hee Do was married sometime early 2009 (or late 2008).
However, again, Hee Do's daughter doesn't know who Baek Yi Jin is (or was). She would've reacted or have realized the Yi Jin in the diaries was/is her father.
Again, I'm not saying it's not possible. Just that, things point to them going their separate ways before the 2009 San Francisco fencing tournament.
Oh, and, he suddenly asked her for money afterwards … so … yeah … don't judge the book by its cover.
If it is set to end on "2022-04-03 21:30:00 KST" their timer ends it once it is "2022-04-03" instead of waiting for "21:30:00 KST".
We'll probably be surprised.
But based on what we've seen in episodes 12 to 14, the the surname of Hee Do's daughter, it is pointing that way.
There is also the Prague, Czech Republic match before the 2009 San Francisco match. They will probably show that too.
The break up will probably happen after that. Then she'll get married.
- It's so hard to watch if you understand the story.
- It's so hard to watch if you can relate.
- It's so hard to watch if you know how to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
As Hee Do said, "only them knows how hard it was for them to meet at the finals on the opposing sides". That is BEYOND friendship. That is LOVE. That is UNDERSTANDING. That alone, that match alone, even though it was all fiction, the emotions, the hardships, it all happens in real life, all of it were REAL.
How the media and the public controlled their narrative. How they tried to break them apart, to the point that they had to keep things to themselves.
Yu Rim's decision to stop reading Hee Do's emails and to stop replying … that too was her being professional because they are unintentionally slipping things your competitor shouldn't know. She had to make a choice and she had to do it first AND she can't make herself to explain it to Hee Do because it hurts so much.
Most people wouldn't understand that, they say "she could've explained it" but it isn't easy. Sometimes not explaining something, sometimes just keeping quiet and disappearing, is the best method … believe it or not, it hurts less that way.
And it made them both stronger.
The pain, they used it as a drive, as a force, so they can meet in the finals.
It was also right for Hee Do to have refused to meet Yu Rim before the semi-finals. She was right in thinking "because I have to win". If they have met, it will definitely break their resolve and it wouldn't be fair for them as athletes (forget about the the countries they represent and the fans).
Some probably thought it was "revenge". Not at all. Yu Rim had to be the stronger person during their email-ing days. This time, it was Hee Do who had to be the stronger person.
It hurts but it must be that way. They will never resolve their rivalry, since they were kids, unless they face each other as complete rivals for one last time. Remember how they suddenly became friends? Their rivalry in fencing was never resolved. Even though they've met already once, they both represented the same flag -- and it was personal.
They need to close their professional rivalry.
After the match, that saga of their lives finally ended. So even if they once again meet representing different countries, all the tension, all the pressure, everything that they went through, it will all be gone. They'll be meeting as "friends" … finally. Two human beings who share their love and passion for the sports, and enjoying meeting each other in the finals.
--- Sorry, I need to get all the emotions out. I can't stop crying during that Madrid match … and it's freaking fiction.
Noticed how in Episode 15 Hee Do said her support is no longer reaching him? That was the moment they started to drift apart.
Actually, it's earlier than that but I won't give clues :p watch it again haha.
Anyway, recall that in episode 14, during the San Francisco medal interview, Hee Do said, in two versions: she'll continually support Yi Jin no matter where he may be. The first version was the "interview" version wherein it's "neutral" but the two them understands. The second version was a very personal message that Hee Do only articulated in her mind.
In that interview, and in those moments, both of them were sad. Very sad. It was clear that there was something they regret, a "what if". On Yi Jin's part, it was something like "I wish I chose you before my career" and on Hee Do's part "I wish I did more to reach out to you".
They even both tried to smile. That in itself is meaningful. They were both thinking about their 25-21 moments, their happy memories. Memories that would have been but did not last because of their choices in life. If you've ever experienced something like this, you'll understand the feeling and how hard it is to smile because reality is slamming against it instantly. You want to live in that moment but reality is crashing you that that moment is gone, forever.
That interview was epic because the world no doubt thought it was just another interview of two people who've known each other for a long time BUT the whole interview was full of regrets and memories that only the two of them understands and can relate. They were sending messages, "support"/hope, to each other, while being reminded that they're over and can never go back.
It makes it fun too in trying to unlock the mind of the writer, only to be dumbfounded in the next episode. LOLs.
Shows like this is rare these days.
>> In less than a century...?
== Yes. It only took us less than half a century to advance our computer technology. Now imagine how far advance a society can became between 2021 and 2091.
== The first mobile phone was made by Motorola in 1973. In 1992, IBM released the first smartphone, that is a difference of 19 years only. 2002 Blackberry released their first smartphone. 2007, the first iPhone was released by Apple. 2008, the first commercially available Android smartphone was released by HTC.
== Yes, science & technology improves very fast. We normally do not realise it because we are taking these advancements for granted (not to mention, mass media and social media does not concentrate on the history of S&T, only the features). Between 2021 and 2091, that's 70 years worth of S&T advancement.
== Eventually, humanity will forget how old stuff works.
== For those native in 1997 and 2021, yes, "we are no longer using this". However, from someone who came from 2091, they have no idea because they no longer use and know what technology were used in 1997. They simply assumed, dug up historical records, studied it, sent the Ghost back, hoping her training of "old tech" would be enough.
>> No this can't be the case as I explained above. She was born way to late. The failure to install the Grid and her followed disappearance means that she or her parents were affected by the solar flare. She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation.
== It doesn't matter when the Ghost was born. She disappeared because she failed to finish the Grid within the time window/bubble because she was distracted by SH. Because she did not finish it, then reality returned back to the 'no grid reality'. Why she did not return is also not important. For all we know, she was born but there was no time travel technology yet. She was simply erased as a time traveler because her 'grid reality' no longer exist.
>> Why? Any time prior to the collapse of the Earth's magnetic field would have been just fine. She could travel at any time she wanted with the device.
== Again, there is only a fixed time window/bubble the grid can be installed. This was proven in episode 7 when she was distracted. She was supposed to finish the code within the time window/bubble but she failed.
== For example, if the time window/bubble to install the grid code is between 13:10 and 13:20 (UTC) then, if she fails to install it by 13:20, everything will return to the 'no grid reality'. This is what happened in episode 7, this is why she disappeared.
== This is also the reason why all the time of her appearance in various labs around the world was exactly the same time in UTC. This is her only window. She can not do it before or after the window.
== "Why?" We do not know, at least not yet. But the time window/bubble is established. Otherwise, why would she bother to appear in various labs around the world at exactly the same time in UTC? Remember, in that CCTV episode, the characters realized the time stamp on the CCTV tapes are all the same when converted to UTC.
== If there is no time window/bubble, then why did she disappear? Why did she not disappear the first time, the second time, the third time, the fourth time? Why did she disappear only after she was distracted by SH? Why was it the Ghost was so focused on finishing the code?
== The answer is, there is a fixed window to do it. She needs to finish it. But when SH distracted her, she stopped typing. She turned. She listened. It was too late when she realized what she had done, she knew it herself that if the window passes without finishing the code, reality will return to the 'no grid reality'.
>> That among other things but what I'm saying is that if she doesn't exist in the " no grid " reality then she can't go back in time to give them the Grid. But she does exist in the "no grid" time line, and that is her motive to go back to give them the Grid and when she fails to do so she just disappears! This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality.
== I honestly do not know anymore what you are getting at because you are contradicting yourself. For example, you said and I quote, "She disappeared because she wasn't born because her parents were killed or became sterilized due to radiation", then a paragraph later you said and I quote, "This doesn't make sense because it is certain that she does exist in the "no Grid " reality." Then later in another reply, you said and again I quote, "she was born in an non destroyed world. Because in the no Grid world she simply doesn't exist".
== So, what exactly are you getting at? Does she exist in the 'no grid reality' or not? It's hard to continue the discussion if you are switching back and forth.
>> I don't think that this works this way because in order for SH to get the device she should exist in the first place in the "no Grid" world. But the writer showed us in this episode that she doesn't because when she failed to install the Grid she just disappeared. If she doesn't exist in destroyed world she can't go back in the past to give him the device.
== If it doesn't work that way, then how can you explain SH time traveling with the portable time travel device?
== It does work that way. Science fiction writers have used these tropes a lot. It's not unique to the Grid. The only explanation currently, unless you can provide a better one, is that objects do not disappear even if the time traveler who brought it is erased (as a time traveler).
>> I 've mentioned that in my previous comment. The device didn't came from the non destroyed world, by the time that the Ghost lady manage to install the Grid once. From this point and on they had the technology to save the world. The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid. But on the other hand she doesn't exist in the destroyed world either in order to have the motive to use the device and go back to teach them how to make the Grid. That is the paradox no 2.
== Let's break it down.
>> 1. "The device didn't came from the non destroyed world"
>> 2. After installing the Grid: "The Ghost lady had no reason to travel back to teach them how to operate the Grid"
>> 3. "She doesn't exist in the destroyed world" so "in order to have the motive to use the device and go back"
There is a contradiction in what you said.
== a. In #3 you said that the Ghost does not exist in the 'no grid reality'.
== b. In #3 you said that 'in order to have the motive to use the device'.
== c. But in #1 you said that the device did not come from the 'no grid reality'.
== d. And if she does not exist in the 'no grid reality' (see #3), then who needs a "motive to use the device and go back"?
== Again, the only plausible explanation why the device still exists even after the Ghost disappeared was because: (1) time travel devices do not disappear; or (2) non-living things do not disappear; or (3) the time travel device also exist in the "new" reality; or any combination of those.
== As I've said, these are common tropes in time travel scifi. Even Star Trek itself used each of those tropes before. In the K-drama Sisyphus: The Myth, they used the (2) non-living things trope. In the Western film "The Adam Project" they used the (2) non-living things trope too.
== Until we know what will be revealed in episodes 8, 9, and 10, these are the only plausible explanations currently.
== Here's the thing. If the Ghost exists in the 'no grid reality' and the Ghost was sent to 1997 from 2091, then she wouldn't disappear in the first place because the time loop is still intact. However, the mere fact that she disappeared means that the time loop was broken. It can only be broken if the Ghost was not born in the 'no grid reality' or time travel was not yet invented during the lifetime of the Ghost in the 'no grid reality'. If it is the latter, then it means someone else will travel back to 1997 to install the first iteration of the grid.
== In episode 7, we later saw SH finishing the Grid code. If he can do that, then the 'grid reality' will return and the time loop will resume. I already saw the preview of episode 8 and well … spoiler. I also have a theory about the relationship of the Ghost and SH and what their connection is as far as time travel is concerned (one hint: episode 1), if this is correct--we'll hopefully find out in episode 8--then I'll share it.
== Anyway, we need to operate based on what we've seen from episodes 1 to 7 and then fill in the gaps based on what are the existing tropes and real-world theories. The show is not yet over so jumping to "it's a paradox" or "it is a plot hole" or "the writer made a mistake" or "it's a continuity error" is a disservice to the writer at this point. We need to approach this by trying to understand what the writer have in mind by explaining things, first and foremost "in-universe", and secondly by using existing tropes and real-world theories.
== The process is always, especially if the series is not yet over:
1. Try to explain it based on the information revealed from the entire series. This is called "in-universe explanation".
2. Try to explain it using existing tropes and real-world theories.
3. If #1 and #2 fails, then and only then can we conclude it was a paradox, a plot hole, a writer error, or a continuity error.
Shalom! ^_^
There is depth and there is no depth. They reveal something, establish it, then suddenly leaves us with contradictions. Crazy lols. You won't even see this style of storytelling in the West.
I think the last time I saw this style was from a Japanese movie or anime.
Hmm… I think it was Battle Royale?
The anime Serial Experiments Lain also fits. You won't understand it unless you finished all 13 episodes. Then if you keep on re-watching it, you will understand it more and more.
Good catch, I did not notice it until you mentioned it.