This #JoseonExorcist issues has cause public’s concern on the dramas relate to historical figures, Chinese investment,…
I wonder what will JYP Entertainment do with their partnership with Tencent. They can also be targeted if the Korean government can not even control their "anonymous keyboard warriors".
Actually this issue get more heated because recently some Cnetzs claiming Korean kimichi, historical clothes and…
That's the problem. The "Chinese" issue is understandable and can be rectified, which was what Mr. Queen, The King: Eternal Monarch, and other past shows did.
But them whining about the use of historical figures in a way far too different from historical facts is illogical because that is called "Alternate History" and they produced a lot of dramas with alternative history in the past.
The writers pitched this story, the powers-that-be approved it, and the sponsors and whoever else gave them a budget because they all assumed that their own people are matured thinking individuals. I can't even begin to imagine how disappointed they all are right now that their assumption about their own countrymen is false.
Do not compare western works with this drama. Free speech, free media, and views towards historical figures work…
So you are saying that alternate history works wherein Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won World War II is "different" and that the Jews who were systematically killed by a genocidal maniac are not "patriotic" nor are the Koreans (and Filipinos for that matter) who were raped by Japanese soldiers?
If your logic is correct, then I guess the Jews are not patriotic because they didn't whine about works where Nazi Germany won. I guess Koreans (and Filipinos) who were raped by the Japanese soldiers were fine with it when they did not react to works wherein Imperial Japan won.
Here's another "sensitive" example of Alternate History but no one whined about it.
Kingsley Amis set his novel, The Alteration (1976), in the 20th century, but major events in the Reformation did not take place, and Protestantism is limited to the breakaway Republic of New England. Martin Luther was reconciled to the Roman Catholic Church and later became Pope Germanian I.
The Collins English Dictionary defines alternative history as "a genre of fiction in which the author speculates on how the course of history might have been altered if a particular historical event had had a different outcome."
Here's the thing, they incorrectly labeled this series as "Historical Fiction" hence they're all going crazy about it. The correct genre for this show is "Alternate History".
Quoting: Alternate history, alternative history, or simply althist, sometimes abbreviated as AH, is a genre of speculative fiction consisting of stories in which one or more historical events occur differently. These stories usually contain "what if" scenarios at crucial points in history and present outcomes other than those in the historical record. The stories are conjectural but are sometimes based on fact. Alternate history has been seen as a subgenre of literary fiction, science fiction, or historical fiction; alternate history works may use tropes from any or all of these genres. Another term occasionally used for the genre is "allohistory".
If this was work of fiction, they could've used fake kings. Why use real name, when it's clearly not related to…
> If this was work of fiction, they could've used fake kings. Why use real name, when it's clearly not related to your plot?
Familiar with "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter"? No one cried foul because they used the "greatest President of the United States of America" and turned him into a Vampire Hunter.
Yep, like I said last week, the hammer hit on his dead definitely awakened something in him -- his psychopath and/or genius side. This was already observed before in real life and they're using it in this show.
Secondly, that was an interesting twist, the Doctor died without clarifying anything if he was indeed a psychopath and/or genius.
Third, it appears that the real "son" is Ba Reum. In a way it makes sense, he is the titular character of the show and he is even in the promotional poster. Ba Reum is the mouse, not the cat as I previously assumed -- which makes sense why he killed the cat and the bird, both animals hunt mice.
I guess where they are going with this is to prove that we can never really determine who will become a psychopath and/or a genius because there are other factors that plays into how a person develops and grow. A good way to speak out against what's happening that the media isn't covering is to make a statement through fiction. ;)
I can already tell this drama is going to be full of stupid characters and plots. The king allucinating and killing…
The people standing there is fine. They were already being controlled by the Fallen Angel Azazel and it was only a matter of time they are possessed. Remember, this is not a zombie show, this is a show about demon possession, and an invasion of Joseon led by the Fallen Angel Azazel. In other words, those humans already under the control of Azazel remained humans because Azazel is playing a game with the king.
Noticed how he kept telling himself that he was only stopping any new undead? He fully understands what is at stake. This was later confirmed when he was willing to end the life of his youngest son.
Also, note that they are using a "disease" as the form of possession. A "disease" that can be transferred if one gets contaminated through blood. It was why even the scratch from his youngest son was enough to turn him into something else.
As for the son just standing there doing nothing is also understandable. He is a pamphered kid after all. I've seen first-hand what it is like for pamphered kids when they go out to the world.
However, what was stupid was the eunuchs doing nothing but beg. Their job was to protect the prince with their lives, if his life is in obvious danger, all social norms and palace rules are thrown out the window to keep the prince safe. Those dumb eunuchs should've carried or dragged him out of danger.
Them being afraid for their lives because they "touched" the prince doesn't make any sense because they'll be killed by the very strict king even if they survived. It even makes no sense at all because they eventually threw themselves to be killed by the undead soldier. There just is no justification with those eunuchs. It simply was the writer using stupidity and unrealistic scenarios to setup a plot, just how what happened in L.U.C.A. when an experienced detective foolishly called the police station that's hunting her.
> Second, I don't know why but I find that a lot of western actors in Asian dramas their acting are tend to be…
Yeah, when I saw it, I was surprised too. It is also weird for Joseon to be involved in it considering how the dynasty is strictly Confucianism.
Sure, at first they were tolerant and it was only later that they removed all non-Confucianism religions but in this show, they seem to be playing a very active role.
In a way, if this "invasion" is being led by the Fallen Angel Azazel, then I guess it does make sense to have the Vatican involved. If you've read the books of Rick Riordan, the author behind the Percy Jackson series, he also used a similar approach into mashing-up different "religions". Even Neil Gaiman, author of The American Gods, used the same: angels, fallen angels, demon, rituals, etc. only applies to within that same religion, their believers, and exorcism and other rituals must be done by the same religion. Since Azazel is a Fallen Angel mentioned in the Book of Enoch, then only the believers of that religion will work against him.
Also … totally not related to the story … I've noticed how recent Korean dramas are using Catholicism a lot, especially those filmed in 2020 and 2021. Prior to that, they used Buddhism (reincarnation) frequently. I don't know what's happening in the entertainment industry but trends doesn't happen this way--it was forced or influenced by something (or someone). I'd probably attribute this series's use of the Vatican priests, and Azazel, to that.
My biggest pet peeve in this drama is the priest. First, why does he have sleek and short hair? Doesn't he suppose…
> Second, I don't know why but I find that a lot of western actors in Asian dramas their acting are tend to be stiff (and even cringe-worthy somehow).
It's not easy to find an experienced foreign actor in your own country. In addition to that, they are depicting what people from the Joseon Era would have thought of Westerners.
Remember, the story is being told from the perspective of Joseon people not Westerners. If you've seen the film "The Great Wall", even though they hired veteran Western actors, their characters were still depicted from the viewpont of ancient Chinese, to the point that modern Westerners hated the Western actors for "agreeing" to such roles.
If the setting was set in recent eras or the modern day, then that's when we're going to have issues. I for one wouldn't agree to such depiction. :)
But again, it's set in the distant past where everyone had to travel great distances and spend months to years to travel just to see other cultures and people.
My biggest pet peeve in this drama is the priest. First, why does he have sleek and short hair? Doesn't he suppose…
First, the notion that ancient men had long hairs is actually a stereotype. There were and are men with long hairs just as there were and are women with short hairs, however, the most common for men then and now is short (while for women is long), this is especially true the farther you go West. There are actually few cultures wherein it is culturally "required" for men to have long hairs, like for example in China, Japan, and Korea.
Secondly, Vatican is in Rome, the seat of the old Roman Empire. The Roman Empire (and the Greek Empire before it, if I remember correctly), it is respectable and customary for men to have short hairs. Of course, the priests of the Vatican will adopt what their ancestors practiced.
(Oh, and before you say that the Hebrew people like Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles had long hairs, it's not true either. The long haired "Jesus Christ" that is common was actually based on someone's son who had long-hair as a model. If you study history, real Hebrew men had short hairs, especially since having a long hair for men is a mark that they are doing their vows (I'm not going to go deep about this topic).)
Third, the setting of the drama is in Joseon Dynasty which was between 1392 and 1897. All the more reason long hair for men is less common especially if you are in a position.
Since the screenwriter for Joseon Exorcist is the same main screenwriter for Mr Queen, when I read that Knetz…
> And I realized this is the second time the screenwriter, Park Kye Ok use the real royal Korean historical figures and twist their real historical life. First one was King Cheoljong in Mr Queen, second one is Prince Yangnyeong in Joseon Exorcist LOL
"twist their historical life"? So, writers are not allowed to use historical figures to write FICTION?
Have you read the book or watched the live-action adaptation entitled "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter"? Did the writer make a mistake in "twisting" the historical life of Abraham Lincoln?
What's with the inaction of the eunuchs to protect the prince? Their ultimate job is to protect the prince, in situations where his life is in obvious and crystal clear danger, his safety is the priority and not social/palace norms.
It was even made more unrealistic when the king was very strict and willing to kill his own. The more reason that the prince's safety matters more than social/palace rules. In addition to that, they are willing to die anyway, so what were they afraid of if they break social norms and palace rules if it was keeping the prince safe?
That scene doesn't make any sense at all.
I hate it when writers use stupidity to setup a plot. Reminded me of L.U.C.A. when they used stupidity to move forward the story.
But them whining about the use of historical figures in a way far too different from historical facts is illogical because that is called "Alternate History" and they produced a lot of dramas with alternative history in the past.
The writers pitched this story, the powers-that-be approved it, and the sponsors and whoever else gave them a budget because they all assumed that their own people are matured thinking individuals. I can't even begin to imagine how disappointed they all are right now that their assumption about their own countrymen is false.
If your logic is correct, then I guess the Jews are not patriotic because they didn't whine about works where Nazi Germany won. I guess Koreans (and Filipinos) who were raped by the Japanese soldiers were fine with it when they did not react to works wherein Imperial Japan won.
Kingsley Amis set his novel, The Alteration (1976), in the 20th century, but major events in the Reformation did not take place, and Protestantism is limited to the breakaway Republic of New England. Martin Luther was reconciled to the Roman Catholic Church and later became Pope Germanian I.
--> Philip K. Dick's novel, The Man in the High Castle (1962), is an alternate history in which Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won World War II.
Did people whine about it? It even inspired an Amazon series, it had 4 seasons!
The Collins English Dictionary defines alternative history as "a genre of fiction in which the author speculates on how the course of history might have been altered if a particular historical event had had a different outcome."
Quoting: Alternate history, alternative history, or simply althist, sometimes abbreviated as AH, is a genre of speculative fiction consisting of stories in which one or more historical events occur differently. These stories usually contain "what if" scenarios at crucial points in history and present outcomes other than those in the historical record. The stories are conjectural but are sometimes based on fact. Alternate history has been seen as a subgenre of literary fiction, science fiction, or historical fiction; alternate history works may use tropes from any or all of these genres. Another term occasionally used for the genre is "allohistory".
Familiar with "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter"? No one cried foul because they used the "greatest President of the United States of America" and turned him into a Vampire Hunter.
Secondly, that was an interesting twist, the Doctor died without clarifying anything if he was indeed a psychopath and/or genius.
Third, it appears that the real "son" is Ba Reum. In a way it makes sense, he is the titular character of the show and he is even in the promotional poster. Ba Reum is the mouse, not the cat as I previously assumed -- which makes sense why he killed the cat and the bird, both animals hunt mice.
I guess where they are going with this is to prove that we can never really determine who will become a psychopath and/or a genius because there are other factors that plays into how a person develops and grow. A good way to speak out against what's happening that the media isn't covering is to make a statement through fiction. ;)
Noticed how he kept telling himself that he was only stopping any new undead? He fully understands what is at stake. This was later confirmed when he was willing to end the life of his youngest son.
Also, note that they are using a "disease" as the form of possession. A "disease" that can be transferred if one gets contaminated through blood. It was why even the scratch from his youngest son was enough to turn him into something else.
As for the son just standing there doing nothing is also understandable. He is a pamphered kid after all. I've seen first-hand what it is like for pamphered kids when they go out to the world.
However, what was stupid was the eunuchs doing nothing but beg. Their job was to protect the prince with their lives, if his life is in obvious danger, all social norms and palace rules are thrown out the window to keep the prince safe. Those dumb eunuchs should've carried or dragged him out of danger.
Them being afraid for their lives because they "touched" the prince doesn't make any sense because they'll be killed by the very strict king even if they survived. It even makes no sense at all because they eventually threw themselves to be killed by the undead soldier. There just is no justification with those eunuchs. It simply was the writer using stupidity and unrealistic scenarios to setup a plot, just how what happened in L.U.C.A. when an experienced detective foolishly called the police station that's hunting her.
Sure, at first they were tolerant and it was only later that they removed all non-Confucianism religions but in this show, they seem to be playing a very active role.
In a way, if this "invasion" is being led by the Fallen Angel Azazel, then I guess it does make sense to have the Vatican involved. If you've read the books of Rick Riordan, the author behind the Percy Jackson series, he also used a similar approach into mashing-up different "religions". Even Neil Gaiman, author of The American Gods, used the same: angels, fallen angels, demon, rituals, etc. only applies to within that same religion, their believers, and exorcism and other rituals must be done by the same religion. Since Azazel is a Fallen Angel mentioned in the Book of Enoch, then only the believers of that religion will work against him.
Also … totally not related to the story … I've noticed how recent Korean dramas are using Catholicism a lot, especially those filmed in 2020 and 2021. Prior to that, they used Buddhism (reincarnation) frequently. I don't know what's happening in the entertainment industry but trends doesn't happen this way--it was forced or influenced by something (or someone). I'd probably attribute this series's use of the Vatican priests, and Azazel, to that.
It's not easy to find an experienced foreign actor in your own country. In addition to that, they are depicting what people from the Joseon Era would have thought of Westerners.
Remember, the story is being told from the perspective of Joseon people not Westerners. If you've seen the film "The Great Wall", even though they hired veteran Western actors, their characters were still depicted from the viewpont of ancient Chinese, to the point that modern Westerners hated the Western actors for "agreeing" to such roles.
If the setting was set in recent eras or the modern day, then that's when we're going to have issues. I for one wouldn't agree to such depiction. :)
But again, it's set in the distant past where everyone had to travel great distances and spend months to years to travel just to see other cultures and people.
Secondly, Vatican is in Rome, the seat of the old Roman Empire. The Roman Empire (and the Greek Empire before it, if I remember correctly), it is respectable and customary for men to have short hairs. Of course, the priests of the Vatican will adopt what their ancestors practiced.
(Oh, and before you say that the Hebrew people like Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles had long hairs, it's not true either. The long haired "Jesus Christ" that is common was actually based on someone's son who had long-hair as a model. If you study history, real Hebrew men had short hairs, especially since having a long hair for men is a mark that they are doing their vows (I'm not going to go deep about this topic).)
Third, the setting of the drama is in Joseon Dynasty which was between 1392 and 1897. All the more reason long hair for men is less common especially if you are in a position.
I hope it helped. ^_^
"twist their historical life"? So, writers are not allowed to use historical figures to write FICTION?
Have you read the book or watched the live-action adaptation entitled "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter"? Did the writer make a mistake in "twisting" the historical life of Abraham Lincoln?
It was even made more unrealistic when the king was very strict and willing to kill his own. The more reason that the prince's safety matters more than social/palace rules. In addition to that, they are willing to die anyway, so what were they afraid of if they break social norms and palace rules if it was keeping the prince safe?
That scene doesn't make any sense at all.
I hate it when writers use stupidity to setup a plot. Reminded me of L.U.C.A. when they used stupidity to move forward the story.