I'm really curious about their connection too. Not sure if she is blood related though but it is not yet completely…
I'm not sure if it was a mistranslation or it was intentional.
I am opting that it was intentional. She and her father practiced it because people are listening. It is possible that in the future the Organisation have agents embedded in the Resistance so they need to let them hear that she's going back to the past to escape their harsh reality.
In fact, it was not hinted that she's a trained agent. We only know she's a soldier because we've read the synopsis and saw the teaser for episode 2.
Basically, let them hear what they want to hear … that the police officer's daughter is simply escaping to the past because he loves her so much. She even kept repeating "go with me" as is expected of a child to say. Yet when she woke up in the past, she never acted like an ordinary citizen, she always knew what she had to do. She even escaped the Organisation in that train scene and mocked them by sitting at the top of the train.
This is a time travel story, so the photographs are likely from the future. My guess is that the woman will either…
Not exactly.
If you noticed how the ML traveled into different versions of the past, he also realised in one episode that those pasts he traveled to were from a different timeline or universe ("timeline" and "universe" are actually just the same thing according to Quantum Physics). Later, in the confrontation between the ML and his "future self", he also realised that he can actually change everything by killing his future alter-ego.
That's where the problem was, the Book made them believed that if the ML dies, time travel will stop. But what the Book actually said was the timeloop will end if the "future version" is killed by the "present version".
It was him but at the same time it wasn't him.
But why does he need to kill his future self for them to get out of the timeloop? It was because it is his future self who is corrupting him and setting him to the exact same path as his future version. Hence the timeloop.
When they first met, his future version kept saying that everything is happening exactly the same as it did before. Things started to change when their mother, their actual mother--not their mother in another timeline/universe--killed herself. The "future version" was surprised and reacted that it was not supposed to happen that way. His "young self" should've been the one to shoot their mother.
It's why "it was not him" at the same time.
The next question then, why was how their mother died very important? It's because, again, corruption. If the ML killed their mother, it will set him on a path of desperation and everything will happen all over again. He'll control Alice. He'll become old. He'll wait to meet his younger self and say the exact same things all over again. This was hinted in the ML's accidental travels back in the past where he witnessed the different ways his mother died. That no matter what, his mother always die.
How did their mother knew she must die by her own hands? I doubt she knew but she probably realised what the Book actually meant … for the first time ever.
The thing with timeloops … again in fiction since no one can actually test timeloops not even mathematically … all it takes is one small change to unravel it. Whenever timeloops are used in stories, always look for that small thing that must change.
It's him but at the same it wasn't him. If we want to get philosophical, his insane "future self" is actually his past.
This is a time travel story, so the photographs are likely from the future. My guess is that the woman will either…
If you like a mindboggling scifi, then watch Alice. Otherwise, it will probably confuse you. ;)
It's actually a very good show. I qualify it as a hard scifi, meaning, a science fiction story which strictly observed to follow the current scientific facts and theories. They even tried to explain in layman's terms some of the terminologies they used which was a brilliant move.
But if you really want an answer to your question regarding Alice, the answer is no.
The premise of Alice is that they travel back in time to help the grieving get over their loss. However, there is an internal group who's doing it beyond that, letting some clients replace their counterparts.
From the get-go, it appeared that they were traveling back in time. However, in the latter episodes, it was explained that they were not just traveling back in time but they were traveling to a different timeline.
This is based on the long established scientific fact that "space" and "time" are inseparable, it should be "spacetime". When we travel in space, we are also traveling in time. So when you walk from point A to point B, you actually also traveled in time--forward in this case.
If so, then when we travel through time, we are also traveling through space. If you want to travel to the past (or the future), you are also traveling in space. In Alice's case, they traveled back to the past of a different timeline.
Are you with me so far?
That is where the answer to your question lies.
The FL is not the mother of the ML. Yes, the FL looks exactly like the mother of the ML, however, they are two completely different people from two different timelines or universes (if you will).f
The FL is not the "past" of the ML's mother. This was proven in almost every episode. The biggest clue is actually in episodes 1 and 2, the "mother" does not remember anything at all even though she met her kid-self. This is because they are completely two different persons from two different timelines or universes.
Second clue is, the "mother" was from a far future where "spacetime" travel was pretty much a normal thing. The FL was a kid sometime in the 80s (I can't remember the exact year). Simply, the "mother" and the FL can not be the same person because the time gap is hundreds of years.
Since Alice was a Korean show, and they usually add "reincarnation", one can argue that the "mother" was the reincarnation of the FL. That's true. However, if reincarnation is part of the story, then it would throw out every effort they did to stick to current scientific facts and theories. So, personally, I strongly doubt any "reincarnation" is part of the plot.
But in the last few episodes, it was revealed that the memories of the "mother" became one with the memories of the FL. Sort of like they "merged". This was explained in the series as well and in Quantum Physics, this is called quantum entanglement. In other words, it is possible. The "mother" and the FL did not merge physically, it's just that they were able to quantum entangle themselves after they met, talked, and touched. So no, still no reincarnation involved.
I'll end it here. There are a lot of stuff in Alice. If you decide to watch it and you have questions, drop my a private message and I'll explain it. I think some of those questions I already answered in the forums, just look for my replies.
I've noticed kdramas are no good with Science fiction or action, they're better at doing melodramas, romance,…
That's interesting to hear.
IRIS, IRIS 2, Athena: Goddess of War, were Korea's first successful series in the action, mystery, and scifi genres from my point-of-view. It wasn't followed until recently with shows like Alice, Vagabond, The K2, L.U.C.A., and now this, Sisyphus, and they're doing quite well today than back in the IRIS-era.
I'm a huge fan of Star Trek, StarGate, Babylon 5, Time Cop, 12 Monkeys, Fringe, and other Western scifi franchises, and yet I find Korean scifi very refreshing because of their different approach into it and making sure they add their "Korean touch".
So, now I'm curious, what's with Korean action, mystery, and scifi shows that you don't like? Were you trying to compare it wiht Western shows by any chance? Because, you know, Western and Korean styles are worlds apart, if Koreans will copy the Western style … well …
Ok, this seems to be more sci-fantasy comedy than a serious sci-fi.
It's soft "science fiction" not "science fantasy".
Soft scifi is defined as science fiction with less regard on scientific facts. Majority of time travel stories are soft scifi. There are hard scifi time travel stories but it is rare because it's not easy to keep a time travel plot grounded in _current_ scientific knowledge -- Alice is one such hard scifi KDrama which is why most people were confused about it.
"Science fantasy" or to be more exact "scifi-fantasy" is a genre where there are elements of fantasy, like dragons and elves, while at the same time incorporating scientific facts and theories, and is usually set in an industrial era or modern day.
I doubt there will be dragons, elves, and knights in shining armour in Sisyphus. :P
Also, what did you find that made it a "comedy" for you? Did I miss anything?
Lastly, how can you judge the show as "already quite a mess" when you've only seen 1 episode out of 16?
Sure. It could be her brother, cousin, friend, neighbour …But …It is possible she got over him and have a…
Yep. They failed to connect properly because they chose not to talk about their "dislikes" and "hopes" for each other. Definitely a formula for a disaster.
They still can get back together … but I guess for the show it's open-ended for these two.
Correct. That's how it is in real life. As I've said, this series takes on the various real life experiences and…
------- Netflix: What do you think romance is? Lee Eun Oh: A journey to finding my true self. Park Jae Won: I've finally learned how it feels to truly love someone. It was very miserable and painful. That's why it's more precious and more cherishable. -------
I guess you never heard about the original series? The original one is called Mr.queen and it's about a guy who…
True, the premise is overused. However this isn't your typical "boy suddenly is living inside a girl's body" story. This is matured and adult. No typical pervert "o-m-g what is this, I better take advantage of her body" sh*t.
Yes, it is a very funny series but there is depth behind the comedy. It isn't just a drama--like that Thai drama where they also switched bodies--this one have deep lessons hidden.
Haha… people, that's how it is to be truly in love with someone, you don't know what the heck you are doing.I've…
You quoted something that goes against your stand. :p
"If you think you're in love, then you're not in love" yet you claimed "just because you are in love does not mean you don't know what the eff you are doing".
If you know what you are doing then you are not in love. I know because I fooled myself that way for the last fifteen years. "I am in love because I know what I am doing."
Oh, and what's "obsession" has to do with the series? Park Jae Won isn't obsessed. He was trapped in a break-up without proper closure. If you watched the previous episodes, he made it crystal clear. Lee Eun Oh left him hanging, leaving him with a lot of questions.
I wouldn't even be surprised if in the last three episodes they end up separating.
Haha… people, that's how it is to be truly in love with someone, you don't know what the heck you are doing.I've…
Well, there is no happiness in life without imperfection. You can only claim you truly love someone if you love them for who they are no matter how silly their excuses are, no matter how selfish they might be in your eyes, no matter what and who they were, are, and will become.
Park Jae Won realised it in ep 13. Ep 14 is about Lee Eun Oh. These two characters are growing and learning what it means to truly love someone.
Will they live happily ever after? That's not guaranteed. I wouldn't even be surprised if they went their separate ways later on. (I explained this in another comment.)
If this show is unrealistic for you, it simply means you were either "very lucky" to have not experienced any of it, or you haven't truly loved someone the way these characters did.
I've been there myself. I know people who have been in similar situations.
Crazy show? You have no idea what people do when they're truly in-love and have fears at the same time.
They have not shown a single scenario which was unrealistic. Not one.
So again, you either haven't truly loved someone or you were "very lucky" to have not experienced nor met these type of people. But to say it is unrealistic is an insult to all of us who have been in their shoes.
If this was a realistic drama,the FL should have healed ,realised the ML value and then returned back to Jae won.But…
Oh, it is definitely realistic. I've been there and I know people who've been there too.
The story of this show is not even unique or new. This show actually deserves a "true-to-life" label because they presented various situations and cases which actually happens in real life, especially to people who truly love someone and have fears as well.
idk i just think it's hard to get over someone who broke up with you over a voice message with no closure. lee…
re: "selfish" -- nope. It was explained from all the previous episodes why she decided it … she is/was afraid, deeply afraid to make her "fantasy" a reality because her alter ego was her complete opposite.
I have an ex who was like that. Even though it was too late for us … and even though it was so obvious … for years she denied everything. She was afraid to face the reality of her feelings and the reality of our situation (that there's no more chance for us legally). Eventually, back in 2011, she finally admitted everything and faced the reality.
It was only then that we both truly moved on completely. It was only then that we truly started to see each other as friends. A real closure for us. Even though we sometimes cross paths, even though the spark is still there, we have complete control over ourselves and perfectly know our boundaries.
In this show, I hope they don't end up the same way we did after the girl finally faced her fears and embraced the reality. There is still the possibility they'll go their separate ways in ep 15 and 16.
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I am opting that it was intentional. She and her father practiced it because people are listening. It is possible that in the future the Organisation have agents embedded in the Resistance so they need to let them hear that she's going back to the past to escape their harsh reality.
In fact, it was not hinted that she's a trained agent. We only know she's a soldier because we've read the synopsis and saw the teaser for episode 2.
Basically, let them hear what they want to hear … that the police officer's daughter is simply escaping to the past because he loves her so much. She even kept repeating "go with me" as is expected of a child to say. Yet when she woke up in the past, she never acted like an ordinary citizen, she always knew what she had to do. She even escaped the Organisation in that train scene and mocked them by sitting at the top of the train.
If you noticed how the ML traveled into different versions of the past, he also realised in one episode that those pasts he traveled to were from a different timeline or universe ("timeline" and "universe" are actually just the same thing according to Quantum Physics). Later, in the confrontation between the ML and his "future self", he also realised that he can actually change everything by killing his future alter-ego.
That's where the problem was, the Book made them believed that if the ML dies, time travel will stop. But what the Book actually said was the timeloop will end if the "future version" is killed by the "present version".
It was him but at the same time it wasn't him.
But why does he need to kill his future self for them to get out of the timeloop? It was because it is his future self who is corrupting him and setting him to the exact same path as his future version. Hence the timeloop.
When they first met, his future version kept saying that everything is happening exactly the same as it did before. Things started to change when their mother, their actual mother--not their mother in another timeline/universe--killed herself. The "future version" was surprised and reacted that it was not supposed to happen that way. His "young self" should've been the one to shoot their mother.
It's why "it was not him" at the same time.
The next question then, why was how their mother died very important? It's because, again, corruption. If the ML killed their mother, it will set him on a path of desperation and everything will happen all over again. He'll control Alice. He'll become old. He'll wait to meet his younger self and say the exact same things all over again. This was hinted in the ML's accidental travels back in the past where he witnessed the different ways his mother died. That no matter what, his mother always die.
How did their mother knew she must die by her own hands? I doubt she knew but she probably realised what the Book actually meant … for the first time ever.
The thing with timeloops … again in fiction since no one can actually test timeloops not even mathematically … all it takes is one small change to unravel it. Whenever timeloops are used in stories, always look for that small thing that must change.
It's him but at the same it wasn't him. If we want to get philosophical, his insane "future self" is actually his past.
It's actually a very good show. I qualify it as a hard scifi, meaning, a science fiction story which strictly observed to follow the current scientific facts and theories. They even tried to explain in layman's terms some of the terminologies they used which was a brilliant move.
But if you really want an answer to your question regarding Alice, the answer is no.
The premise of Alice is that they travel back in time to help the grieving get over their loss. However, there is an internal group who's doing it beyond that, letting some clients replace their counterparts.
From the get-go, it appeared that they were traveling back in time. However, in the latter episodes, it was explained that they were not just traveling back in time but they were traveling to a different timeline.
This is based on the long established scientific fact that "space" and "time" are inseparable, it should be "spacetime". When we travel in space, we are also traveling in time. So when you walk from point A to point B, you actually also traveled in time--forward in this case.
If so, then when we travel through time, we are also traveling through space. If you want to travel to the past (or the future), you are also traveling in space. In Alice's case, they traveled back to the past of a different timeline.
Are you with me so far?
That is where the answer to your question lies.
The FL is not the mother of the ML. Yes, the FL looks exactly like the mother of the ML, however, they are two completely different people from two different timelines or universes (if you will).f
The FL is not the "past" of the ML's mother. This was proven in almost every episode. The biggest clue is actually in episodes 1 and 2, the "mother" does not remember anything at all even though she met her kid-self. This is because they are completely two different persons from two different timelines or universes.
Second clue is, the "mother" was from a far future where "spacetime" travel was pretty much a normal thing. The FL was a kid sometime in the 80s (I can't remember the exact year). Simply, the "mother" and the FL can not be the same person because the time gap is hundreds of years.
Since Alice was a Korean show, and they usually add "reincarnation", one can argue that the "mother" was the reincarnation of the FL. That's true. However, if reincarnation is part of the story, then it would throw out every effort they did to stick to current scientific facts and theories. So, personally, I strongly doubt any "reincarnation" is part of the plot.
But in the last few episodes, it was revealed that the memories of the "mother" became one with the memories of the FL. Sort of like they "merged". This was explained in the series as well and in Quantum Physics, this is called quantum entanglement. In other words, it is possible. The "mother" and the FL did not merge physically, it's just that they were able to quantum entangle themselves after they met, talked, and touched. So no, still no reincarnation involved.
I'll end it here. There are a lot of stuff in Alice. If you decide to watch it and you have questions, drop my a private message and I'll explain it. I think some of those questions I already answered in the forums, just look for my replies.
^_^
IRIS, IRIS 2, Athena: Goddess of War, were Korea's first successful series in the action, mystery, and scifi genres from my point-of-view. It wasn't followed until recently with shows like Alice, Vagabond, The K2, L.U.C.A., and now this, Sisyphus, and they're doing quite well today than back in the IRIS-era.
I'm a huge fan of Star Trek, StarGate, Babylon 5, Time Cop, 12 Monkeys, Fringe, and other Western scifi franchises, and yet I find Korean scifi very refreshing because of their different approach into it and making sure they add their "Korean touch".
So, now I'm curious, what's with Korean action, mystery, and scifi shows that you don't like? Were you trying to compare it wiht Western shows by any chance? Because, you know, Western and Korean styles are worlds apart, if Koreans will copy the Western style … well …
Care to explain?
Soft scifi is defined as science fiction with less regard on scientific facts. Majority of time travel stories are soft scifi. There are hard scifi time travel stories but it is rare because it's not easy to keep a time travel plot grounded in _current_ scientific knowledge -- Alice is one such hard scifi KDrama which is why most people were confused about it.
"Science fantasy" or to be more exact "scifi-fantasy" is a genre where there are elements of fantasy, like dragons and elves, while at the same time incorporating scientific facts and theories, and is usually set in an industrial era or modern day.
I doubt there will be dragons, elves, and knights in shining armour in Sisyphus. :P
Also, what did you find that made it a "comedy" for you? Did I miss anything?
Lastly, how can you judge the show as "already quite a mess" when you've only seen 1 episode out of 16?
They still can get back together … but I guess for the show it's open-ended for these two.
But …
It is possible she got over him and have a new boyfriend.
I've been there. 15 years relationship. Ended August 16, 2020, she already have a replacement.
Or …
It could be …
As expected, Seo Rin Yi and Choi Gyung Joon will break up. :p
Netflix: What do you think romance is?
Lee Eun Oh: A journey to finding my true self.
Park Jae Won: I've finally learned how it feels to truly love someone. It was very miserable and painful. That's why it's more precious and more cherishable.
-------
Don't be afraid of "true love". You haven't truly lived, you haven't truly loved, if there were no pains, hurts, bumps, and trials and tribulations.
Welcome to real life.
Yes, it is a very funny series but there is depth behind the comedy. It isn't just a drama--like that Thai drama where they also switched bodies--this one have deep lessons hidden.
"If you think you're in love, then you're not in love" yet you claimed "just because you are in love does not mean you don't know what the eff you are doing".
If you know what you are doing then you are not in love. I know because I fooled myself that way for the last fifteen years. "I am in love because I know what I am doing."
Oh, and what's "obsession" has to do with the series? Park Jae Won isn't obsessed. He was trapped in a break-up without proper closure. If you watched the previous episodes, he made it crystal clear. Lee Eun Oh left him hanging, leaving him with a lot of questions.
I wouldn't even be surprised if in the last three episodes they end up separating.
Park Jae Won realised it in ep 13. Ep 14 is about Lee Eun Oh. These two characters are growing and learning what it means to truly love someone.
Will they live happily ever after? That's not guaranteed. I wouldn't even be surprised if they went their separate ways later on. (I explained this in another comment.)
^_^
I've been there myself. I know people who have been in similar situations.
Crazy show? You have no idea what people do when they're truly in-love and have fears at the same time.
They have not shown a single scenario which was unrealistic. Not one.
So again, you either haven't truly loved someone or you were "very lucky" to have not experienced nor met these type of people. But to say it is unrealistic is an insult to all of us who have been in their shoes.
The story of this show is not even unique or new. This show actually deserves a "true-to-life" label because they presented various situations and cases which actually happens in real life, especially to people who truly love someone and have fears as well.
Welcome to the real world everyone. ^_^
I have an ex who was like that. Even though it was too late for us … and even though it was so obvious … for years she denied everything. She was afraid to face the reality of her feelings and the reality of our situation (that there's no more chance for us legally). Eventually, back in 2011, she finally admitted everything and faced the reality.
It was only then that we both truly moved on completely. It was only then that we truly started to see each other as friends. A real closure for us. Even though we sometimes cross paths, even though the spark is still there, we have complete control over ourselves and perfectly know our boundaries.
In this show, I hope they don't end up the same way we did after the girl finally faced her fears and embraced the reality. There is still the possibility they'll go their separate ways in ep 15 and 16.
;)
I've been there.
Ep. 14 showed us the real deal. ;)