after reading the comments i'm so happy to find out that chang min and jeong hyun are still going strong and my…
Still going strong ? Don't know what was written in the comments but they officially announced that they didn't dated after the show and the reasons why. And they are not dating now either, but they seem to be good friends.
The production is a bit sloppy as some moments and the acting not always the best for me, but the story is interesting and the actors combinations for the characters look nice. I look forward to the next episodes.
Your "prude" comment is actually funny considering your profile picture and all the potential implications behind…
Well, you can have your own opinion regarding the adult/minor relationship thing, but please learn the meaning of the words you use before, because there is nothing referring to pedophilia in that drama and nobody liking this drama here is defending pedophilia.
By definition paedophilia is attraction towards prebubescent kids or kids in their early puberty. Don't throw…
You seems to definitely have your own standards (if at 24 years old you can't consider a relationship with someone who is only 4 years younger), but it’s far different for others and I don’t think most of people would think the same. Objectively, when you’re in your twenties, there is nothing surprising to be attracted to a 17 year old person (or someone between 35/45 years too by the way). Many people in that age look (and/or are) very mature, so there is nothing wrong or illogical with that. I get your point though, and honestly I myself don’t like big age gap relationships in real life, as I find it weird and potentially problematic. But that's just my own conception of relationships. And I don’t mind it here in this BL as it is fictional, neither the adult/minor thing, because to me it’s just a social norm. A 17 year old and a 19 old together wouldn’t represent a big age gap problem, but based on some countries laws and social norms it’d still be wrong. Which I find totally stupid. I don’t say that adult/minor relationships is totally acceptable in Japan either, but I think they are more open and comprehensive towards it (and many other things not accepted elsewhere) than other cultures. Which is one of the reasons I personally like their productions. They are not afraid to show and question things that are totally taboos in other countries. I guess I’m okay with the plot of the drama because it’s purely fictional to me. It might or might not be a realistic depiction of reality. But I don’t see the point to get fired up by it. If I don’t like or feel uncomfortable with a drama/movie plot I will just watch something else. It’s not like this drama is promoting pedophilia, so there isn’t anything morally wrong with it (but of course that depends on one's moral). Artistic creation doesn’t have to always be consensual. If there was only the same endless rom/com everywhere it would be very boring to watch dramas. It’s interesting to have plots that are a little controversial too, it also reflects reality. You're right to express your opinion here and it's always interesting to debate things, but if people are coming on you strong it's maybe also because you don't seems to accept others opinions and are harsh too in the way you express yours.
By definition paedophilia is attraction towards prebubescent kids or kids in their early puberty. Don't throw…
Your reasoning makes no sense to me because you mixed two different things and it's not logical. You speak about moral (which can be understandable depending on one's background), but use a legal argument for that. However, adult/minor differentiation is an abstract concept that is different based on the country and the cultures, and it's also different than sexual consent (legally or morally). And you speak about the fact that puberty hit people differently, which is an objective and biological reality, but in the end you don't accept the reality of that in humans relationships outside of social norms. Biologically speaking, a human being is not a kid anymore at 15 in general. Your points on the plot and development are yours and I don't argue with that. But your fixation on the adult/minor thing is just a social conception that is not an objective thing. If that drama is allowed in Japan it's because it's nothing wrong in there. Either accept the different culture with his particularities or move on I would suggest.
I lost hope in Ji Chang Wook he don't know anymore how to choose a good script. After Healer and K2 he's projects…
What do you rely on objectively to say that "7 First Kisses", "Suspicious Partner", "Fabricated City", "Melting Me Softly", "Backstreet Rookie", "Lovestruck in the City", "Hard Hit" and "The Sound of Magic" are failures ? Don't state something like a general fact to express your personal feelings, that's totally different.
That pregnant woman at the back of the truck was the most stupid thing of this drama seriously... The latest hot scene was as boring as the previous ones (even Chahub's body couldn't drawn me in). And that ending was just a relief of freedom because I still don't understand why I kept watching until the end even after I realised that drama was already a disaster after episode 1.
Very excited for this sageuk. Three great actors as the Queen Dowager, the King and the Queen and a nice cast for the five princes too. I look especially forward to Moon Sang Min first big main role. But once again, the original title is better.
I really want Jeongho and Hyeokjun relationship to blossom. I think Jeongho is very sincere in finding love whereas…
Well, they sure seem close even after all this months, which is nice, but nothing official regarding their relationship status yet. They might have just become good friends.
I'm not very fond of the actors (they are good though) and the characters honestly, but still, it's a good and refreshing drama and I like that it's a BL with a real relationship since the start. Also, the bluntness it has regarding the physical desires compared to the usual Japanese BLs is interesting. It feels more realistic.
Euh... no. Not "everyone" was focus on Chang Min even though it is true that he was the star of the show for the…
I don't agree, it can also be interesting without heavy sexual references. Heterosexual or homosexual, it doesn't matter. Sex is a part of relationships (not for everybody actually), but there are far more in relationships than that. As for the "everyone", I was quoting you. Not all 7 other men where focused on Chang Min, there were other interests and bonds too.
Ok, I'm piecing together from other people's comments why this show doesn't work. It would have been possible…
Euh... no. Not "everyone" was focus on Chang Min even though it is true that he was the star of the show for the obvious reasons you mentioned. But more importantly, because it's about homosexuals it has to be sexual ? What a bad cliché, and such a degrading way to view people based on their sexuality only, not as human beings. You can just watch porn for that.
What a disappointment. An episode for (almost) nothing. As I was thinking last week, half of the episode is focus on secondary characters this week. I like the character of Sakurako, and Asuka a lot too, he is very cute and deserves his own drama. But we have gone nowhere with Akira and Shin, and next episode preview doesn't seems to show a lot of progress either so we are good for them being together only in the last episode. That's really a shame, it could have been better. It's only getting frustrating. Like every time Akira finally want to settle things with Sakuma-sensei there is something happening (it's not even funny after all this time), and he can't just take 30 seconds to just clear Shin's delusions about him still liking Sakuma-sensei. How stupid is that ? The actors are really great but the story is really losing his charm of the first episodes unfortunately.
I think they are now talking about ep 9 when he AGAIN chose someone entirely else.
I understand and agree with you actually. And I believe it could have really been different with a longer format. Yes, you can create a bond within a week when living with someone, but you can't expect much though. It has to develop after. So that's why I don't think it should be taken too seriously. Also, you mentioned something important at the end. Jeong Hyun could have (and should have actually) speaks up about the room thing at the camp site if he really didn't want to miss the chance to spend more time with him. Blaming Chang Min only doesn't feel right because passiveness is equaly annoying for me. Yes Chang Min seems either genuinely clueless or playing dumb about some of his behaviours, which can be annoying (and it is for me too, I'd have loved to see them share the room for their final night), but if his behaviour is genuine, which I still want to believe, well, the other party is to blame too for not saying anything and just being jealous and disheartened by himself. To me Chang Min just went with the flow because he wanted to surf, he didn't really choose Hyeon, he just followed. I don't think his potential feelings must be doubted based on that, he was pretty honest and straightforward with Jeong Hyun before so the latter should put some faith in it too. There is no perfection here, just two people with their personalities and flaws.
I love the idea of this show, but damn...it's just badly planned and executed.First, who can truly develop strong…
Yes, that's summarise it. The idea of the show is good but it would have been better with a budget allowing a one month shooting. With a week, nothing serious or "real" can be expected.
I get your point though, and honestly I myself don’t like big age gap relationships in real life, as I find it weird and potentially problematic. But that's just my own conception of relationships. And I don’t mind it here in this BL as it is fictional, neither the adult/minor thing, because to me it’s just a social norm. A 17 year old and a 19 old together wouldn’t represent a big age gap problem, but based on some countries laws and social norms it’d still be wrong. Which I find totally stupid.
I don’t say that adult/minor relationships is totally acceptable in Japan either, but I think they are more open and comprehensive towards it (and many other things not accepted elsewhere) than other cultures. Which is one of the reasons I personally like their productions. They are not afraid to show and question things that are totally taboos in other countries.
I guess I’m okay with the plot of the drama because it’s purely fictional to me. It might or might not be a realistic depiction of reality. But I don’t see the point to get fired up by it. If I don’t like or feel uncomfortable with a drama/movie plot I will just watch something else. It’s not like this drama is promoting pedophilia, so there isn’t anything morally wrong with it (but of course that depends on one's moral). Artistic creation doesn’t have to always be consensual. If there was only the same endless rom/com everywhere it would be very boring to watch dramas. It’s interesting to have plots that are a little controversial too, it also reflects reality. You're right to express your opinion here and it's always interesting to debate things, but if people are coming on you strong it's maybe also because you don't seems to accept others opinions and are harsh too in the way you express yours.
Your points on the plot and development are yours and I don't argue with that. But your fixation on the adult/minor thing is just a social conception that is not an objective thing. If that drama is allowed in Japan it's because it's nothing wrong in there. Either accept the different culture with his particularities or move on I would suggest.
Don't state something like a general fact to express your personal feelings, that's totally different.
The latest hot scene was as boring as the previous ones (even Chahub's body couldn't drawn me in).
And that ending was just a relief of freedom because I still don't understand why I kept watching until the end even after I realised that drama was already a disaster after episode 1.
But once again, the original title is better.
As for the "everyone", I was quoting you. Not all 7 other men where focused on Chang Min, there were other interests and bonds too.
As I was thinking last week, half of the episode is focus on secondary characters this week. I like the character of Sakurako, and Asuka a lot too, he is very cute and deserves his own drama. But we have gone nowhere with Akira and Shin, and next episode preview doesn't seems to show a lot of progress either so we are good for them being together only in the last episode.
That's really a shame, it could have been better. It's only getting frustrating. Like every time Akira finally want to settle things with Sakuma-sensei there is something happening (it's not even funny after all this time), and he can't just take 30 seconds to just clear Shin's delusions about him still liking Sakuma-sensei. How stupid is that ? The actors are really great but the story is really losing his charm of the first episodes unfortunately.
Also, you mentioned something important at the end. Jeong Hyun could have (and should have actually) speaks up about the room thing at the camp site if he really didn't want to miss the chance to spend more time with him. Blaming Chang Min only doesn't feel right because passiveness is equaly annoying for me. Yes Chang Min seems either genuinely clueless or playing dumb about some of his behaviours, which can be annoying (and it is for me too, I'd have loved to see them share the room for their final night), but if his behaviour is genuine, which I still want to believe, well, the other party is to blame too for not saying anything and just being jealous and disheartened by himself. To me Chang Min just went with the flow because he wanted to surf, he didn't really choose Hyeon, he just followed. I don't think his potential feelings must be doubted based on that, he was pretty honest and straightforward with Jeong Hyun before so the latter should put some faith in it too. There is no perfection here, just two people with their personalities and flaws.