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Exactly!
You'd think that after planning for so long she would have make sure to have controle over everything but no. So many things can happen that could make whatever plan she has go south. And I'm just left thinking "all those years of planning for it to still be a plan in the making?". If you plan for years, I'd expect no room for errors, no room for the "victims" to change their fate. And why have everyone believe Myeong did it just to let them all know it was her like 2 days after?

" I don't get why she had to insert herself into Do Young's life with Go"
I honestly have a lot of questions myself but since part 2 hasn't aired, I wanted to wait to see what explanations they will give us on some part of the plot, but yeah, that's one of those. If your point was to send him a picture of the two of you (for what?) just to tell him your story, you didn't have to learn to play Go for that. And again, the point of Myeong here ? To mess with the others maybe, but him? He doesn't even know him. It's anticlimatic. To let us believe that learning the game for years was for like this great purpose just for it to be over after 3 meetings ??
My problem is that they showed us years of planning for very disapointing results so far.

Don't take it the wrong way but I haven't read all of it because like I said in my first comment, I'm not saying there are not explanation to those things, I watched the drama so I know how the writters explained them.
But it doesn't change the fact that a lot of her plan falls on convenience.
The plot was written that way.
Like, the tattooed guy, we know why she went to him, he was the most likely to betray them but it was out of convenience that they wrote a character that could break so easily. But what if he didn't? What if the main bully changed her daughter from school in the middle of the school year, which she can because they have money, then what? She might not find leverage on the next director, then what? Like I said, what if the daughter was indeed the husband's, then what? If the mother of the steward's boyfriend didn't take a liking in her, then what ? The revenge plan and how it's going is too smooth to me and relies a lot on external variables that could or not go her way. There shouldn't be any "ifs". If there are, things should go south at some point. If not, then it's luck. The plot is just written that way and it's not a preference of mine. Explaning something by plot doesn't mean it's not luck. If there is always someone to save a hero, the plot explains it but it still makes the hero lucky. You have different ways of writting a story. I thing they made it easy for her is all.
I'm not saying there should be no luck in someone's revenge plan, I do aknowledge a certain level of luck in TKOP for exemple, but the plot was straightforward, they were bullies, so they died, period. You can't mess that sort of easy revenge plot.

"I am not saying that she is unlucky but it feels like your post didn't acknowledge how much she plan everything and stand through the hardship to get where she is right now."

I didn't say she didn't plan everything. She even did it for years so that's remarkable, but years of planing, again, should have no contingencies imo. Maybe it's because she planned for years that I expected her to have more control over her plan ? Maybe that's why I'm disapointed a bit. But I still enjoyed the show, don't get me wrong haha.

She worked hard to get to the same school as the daughter, had they changed her school there is nothing she could have done. Yes she told the mother to not do it beause she would follow but that's not sure.
She got the tattooed guy on her side when he could have said no and tell the others. The daughter not being the husband's biological is all luck, it's the main piece of her plan I think and had he been the father, then what?
She got lucky that the husband didn't stop going to that game place she met him and didn't stop playing all together. It's also convenient that she was so good at it even though she played against people who played all their lives.
She was lucky that she got caught snooping by a woman who needed something too and didn't tell on her.
I'm not saying there are not explanation to those things, obivously the writters made it so that way, but it's very convenient for her plan that a lot of "external" variables go her way.
In the king of pigs there is little place for luck, everything is made so that things go exactly how they are suppose to go. The main leaves no room to luck or external help that hasn't been there for a long time. So I couldn't help but compare.

lmao he said "all in"

So far, in term of revenge for bullying, The king of pigs did it way better. In the glory, a lot of the main lead's plan relies on her luck.

Here to remind you to go watch the grown up (and better) version of this show that the The King of pigs is!

The CGI in part 2 was a bit off so I assumed the budget might not have increased from part 1 to part 2.
There were a lot of unnecessary scenes so I think they could have squeezed other important things, one episode lasts more than one hour. But they focused a lot on the love story because that was the main plot. The rest was extra and it shows. I think they didn't want to go too far away from yor typical kdramas love story concept.

Exatcly! They find ways to build a lot of expectations around a lot of plot points and characters and did not deliver, the endig felt flat.

I agree, and a lot of discussions, things that have been implied, hints etc... have never been brought up again. What was the point of pointing out the fact that Jang Uk had the power to make Naksu stay if it's never explored again? It's feels like they led us into thinking a lot was going to happen when nothing happend.

"then you don't want anyone to produce a fantasy drama that isn't from the west"
where did I say that? You can't make people forget the other productions from other countries they watch. You opinions are based on everything you watch. I can't lower my standards just because I'm watching something from another part of the world lol.
Making a beautiful show is not enough, the plot has to follow and imo it didn't. Fantasy is a hard genre to write in the west or in asia, it doesn't matter. If it's bad, it's bad.
You're also acting like fantasy belongs to the west, talking about "korea learning" when the problem is just the writters doing something that they were not ready for.

The reality is, if one puts the beautiful decor and outfits and CGI aside...the plot is actually pretty weak. I won't be talking about everything that was wrong because there is too much and I'm tired.
Jin mu deserved to be a better antagonist than they let him be. It seems like all of his escapes in both parts were due to luck when he had the potential to be such a good vilain with enough brain to get away with everything he did through cunning and planning, and yet they just made him lucky and ridiculous some times.

Then the fire bird thing was...laughable honestly lol. They wanted to do something very epic (as one would expected in fantasy) but...what was that ? So anticlimatic. They just don't know how to do fantasy right imo and it showed. Then and also at other times honestly.
The way Naksu kept on coming back/not dying was also anticlimatic, and let's not talk about the 3 dead that were in fact not dead in the end. What was the point ??
I feel like anticlimatic is the word to describe this part 2.


I'm sorry but you can't just ignore the bad way this fantasy drama was written. It was amazing to watch because the cinematography was really nice (apart from when the assembly was burning in the flames, lmao what was that?), but the plot was all over the place. Fantasy is a real work of world and plot building, not everyone can do it. I get that they wanted to do something different and that's nice because I'm one to enjoy new directions for kdramas, but to come right after those big fantasy shows that the west gave us at the end of 2022 really didn't do them any service. The writing just is not at the same level and there is too much to just be able to ignore it.

Can it get more boring and cliché ??

The ending would have been perfect had he gone to prison to actually repent.

I don't mind the last episode focusing on YHW, it actually make sense, JDJ was always suppose to die and the point was for YHW to get his revenge so no surprise here.
The whole plot being repentence is really really good, except that it wasn't until he was backed into a corner (being framed and his attempted murder not getting justice) that he decided to reveal everything and even so, there was no consequences for him.
It would have been better if he decided to turn against SN with no other incentive than just repent after he woke up from a random accident instead of attempted murder.
If YHW ends up doing everything to get revenge on himself, how he is repenting towards JDJ by revealing everything if the point is to serve himself?

It was a good drama nonetheless

I mean, he knew who did it and didn't confess for 20 years, he's an accomplice here. Maybe he got off with probation? But no way can he just walk free.

It's the first time I see a show with plot armour literally having an explanation and being justified lol
So many time was I like "there is NO way they could have survived this"

Is there a part 3 ?
If not, couldn't they write the main plot as Jung Uk taking down Jin Mu and exposing him for... idk, everything ? Since they didn't feel like actually doing something smart about it in the first part ?
Like, dude is the main vilain of the show, we barely get to see him and no one is doing anything to bring him down. "It was Jin mu", no shit ?! You've known for 3 years, hello? Care to do something about it ?
Wtf is this thing about explaining the drought just for the queen to get a new body. Obviously the main reason is for Jin Mu to benefit from the new stone but it's barely adressed. Or at least, the way it's adressed is like it's not the main focus of the plan.
Now Jung Uk is going to war with him over Seo Yul who are both unknowingly involved with each other ? Sorry but it's too much lazy writting for me. What's the point of introducing such an interesting and smart and manipulating vilain as Jin Mu, and not have him be the main focus of the plot ?

I thought they at least would have the crown prince figure Jin Mu out in the 3 years, secretly working to bring him down, but nope. No character growth AT ALL. "Oh, let's give him a turtle"....?? It's frustrating. He was the only one to have his doubts about Jin Mu in the first part, but they wrote him to be his puppet for the next 3 years, because what ? leverage of knowledge? "yOu gO aNd tEll jUng Uk" well yeah go, idk do the right thing. I hope he will.

If the love story is the only thing you focus then sure, it's cute (and that's only if they get their happy ending, otherwise that would be useless), but everything around it is flat.

It kinda look like it though, no? main actress has screen time with the same three men in the same way than in the first season

It all comes down to preferences in the end, hope we'll both be satisfied!

Because it's an unoriginal narrative to have him fall for her twice. It's like those dramas where the two leads fall in love and then "oh we were childhood friend but forgot each other". It's lazy plot.
If it gets resolved quickly he won't have time to fall in love with her so that's fine.

omg, the "we don't recognize her" trope is going to be annoying, I can feel it. It's like the twin sister of the miscommunication trope.
I swear if he falls for her and then learns she is Naksu and they have that "omg, that was you all along" conversation, I'm going to off myself.
And the once again love triangle with the same men? please