Funny how it's only a problem with female characters... lol
Gender bias definitely plays a small role in it though. People would 100% let some of Ah-Jin's actions slide (romanticizing/minimizing) if she were a guy and I know that lol. Or feel pity for her... but overall, she's not meant to be sympathetic, anyways. Just cold-blooded and ruthless. Like Ju Da-Hae from Queen of Ambition.
Like I said, I don't think it's an issue that people support her since she's fictional, and she's the protagonist (+ a villain, à la Light Yagami or Macbeth), so it's up to the audience to determine how *they* feel about her. Justifying her actions might be a bit of a stretch though...
I put this drama on hold because I got busy, but I’m curious to know your general thoughts about this daily.…
It's definitely worth it! There's plot twists in every episode, the FL is complex (anti-heroine/villainous), and all the characters are morally grey and complicated somehow. Plus the rich folks here actually feel rich, which is something I personally like. Also, the cliffhangers are really good too, they make you anticipate what's coming next.
Glad I'm not the only one who dislikes Ha-Neul lol
Do-Yun and Jae-In had an enemies-to-lovers relationship, so his development made quite some sense, plus I definitely rooted for them because they had an established/interesting connection. This does not exist between 2nd ML Ha-Neul and the FL Jung-Won.
Contrary to what most commenters seem to think to me Joo Da-hae was not a compelling or interesting character…
This was definitely one of my minor issues, but you could see that she definitely had some level of regret at times. It was insatiable ambition too. Both of them mixed and created this crazy thirst for greed. Ultimately, she's a psychopath.
For example: Baek Do-Hun in the car bombing. I think she genuinely felt sorry for it and possibly, some part of her truly loved him. But she was blinded by the money. Ha Eun-Byul's death. Should she have left her alone? Hell no! Was she devastated after seeing her poor daughter die? Definitely. I feel like Eun-Byul was her last tether to humanity, in a way.
I think overall, she just hated being broke. I do think that this is an issue I have with villain FLs usually- they come off as 1-dimensional and without much depth. This is a 2013 drama so I don't expect incredible writing for female characters in particular lol. Anywho, I do wish that they showed Da-Hae's internal conflict more. I also feel like she somewhat jumped into villainy a bit fast, but it was still a gradual unraveling, nonetheless. I like that she was truly evil, in a way, though.
Another villain FL who I think is kinda similar is Shin Hwa-Kyung from Secrets and Lies. This one's a daily drama, but she also has that thirst for greed because of a complex background. Same with Min Hee-Kyung from Red Shoes (abusive relationship/ex-husband), or Moon Jung-In from Snow White's Revenge (groomed and basically pimped out by her older husband. It's a long story lol) Again these are both daily dramas. You make some great points, nonetheless.
Ep 45 was REALLY good! First of all, kudos to Jung-Won for holding her own against the 2 main villains: Chairman Two-Face and Gangsta Mama. Oh, and Young-Chae. The way Jung-Won knocked that cup outta her hand was hilarious, I had to rewind it twice. 😂
One thing I love about Jung-Won is that she's locked in. She ain't letting nobody stop her from getting her revenge, I love it. Also, that kiss between her and Ha-Neul disgusted me... no chemistry between them at all. It looked like she was kissing sandpaper! Speaking of YC, I knew that her seducing Se-Hun wouldn't work... I said it first, and I was right! I also like that SH is sticking by JW no matter what, but I can see him becoming more obsessed with her down the line. Now he went to Gangsta Mama's house...
Did NOT see JW revealing herself as Su-A to Hye-Ra coming. If HR doesn't believe that JW is SA next week, I'm gonna flip out! At this point, she's an idiot! With KB, I'm convinced now more than ever that he's gonna die, especially with that scene on the swings and him telling JW (most of) the truth about why HR never came back to get her. I can't wait to see what happens this week!
What strategy do you suggest for JW to fight back? I feel she does need to lose a bit, since our villainess can't…
It would be messy if things become public with SH/JW & SA. Gunhyang Group's stocks are dropping right now...
I do think SH loves JW, but JW doesn't seem to love him so much. Maybe she'll develop feelings for him someday... right now, she's like, "Yeah, I guess he's okay."
Ha-Neul would be helpful if he stopped acting like a schoolboy and actually got his head in the game. He's incredibly boring at the moment.
The teaser was AWESOME!!!! It doesn't even look like a daily drama!
Right, right. Even the writing for KBS2 dailies have improved. I think MBC dailies have always been fairly "lower" than KBS or SBS dailies ratings & success-wise. KBS2 came out of their "flop era" with Cinderella Game, so to speak... but SBS dailies do need to be brought back, yes lol IMMEDIATELY!!!
What strategy do you suggest for JW to fight back? I feel she does need to lose a bit, since our villainess can't…
Agree with the husband part, but I'm somewhat neutral on Hye-Ra. If she believes that Jung-Won is really her daughter... what will happen then? How does she explain this to people?
Ha-Neul definitely needs to step his game up... but I don't need him with Jung-Won at all. 😂
What strategy do you suggest for JW to fight back? I feel she does need to lose a bit, since our villainess can't…
My comment got Thanos snapped thanks to my laptop, so I'll write it again...
The dad NEEDS to die- because stakes need to go up.
Let me explain... in revenge dramas (in general, not just k-dramas), the protagonist usually suffers a personal loss, whether it's in the beginning of it or in the middle of it. This either starts the revenge or strengthens it. Also, no major characters have died yet in this drama. Daily dramas like this need a major death (or a few) that permanently changes everything. Things would be too boring if no one died. Also, today's episode and his character being such a major victim + holding some of the biggest secrets? That man's a goner. Jung-Won does need more motivation for her revenge, and KB dying is the perfect way to do it!
Did they ever explain why Yeon-Hee is so obsessed with Myung-Jun, or did I forget something? Because this lady is craaaazyyyyy! Also, Hwa-Kyung, Hwa-Kyung... I love this FL. "The truth won't put food on the table." Why is she lowkey right? 😭
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Like I said, I don't think it's an issue that people support her since she's fictional, and she's the protagonist (+ a villain, à la Light Yagami or Macbeth), so it's up to the audience to determine how *they* feel about her. Justifying her actions might be a bit of a stretch though...
For example:
Baek Do-Hun in the car bombing. I think she genuinely felt sorry for it and possibly, some part of her truly loved him. But she was blinded by the money.
Ha Eun-Byul's death. Should she have left her alone? Hell no! Was she devastated after seeing her poor daughter die? Definitely. I feel like Eun-Byul was her last tether to humanity, in a way.
I think overall, she just hated being broke. I do think that this is an issue I have with villain FLs usually- they come off as 1-dimensional and without much depth. This is a 2013 drama so I don't expect incredible writing for female characters in particular lol. Anywho, I do wish that they showed Da-Hae's internal conflict more. I also feel like she somewhat jumped into villainy a bit fast, but it was still a gradual unraveling, nonetheless. I like that she was truly evil, in a way, though.
Another villain FL who I think is kinda similar is Shin Hwa-Kyung from Secrets and Lies. This one's a daily drama, but she also has that thirst for greed because of a complex background. Same with Min Hee-Kyung from Red Shoes (abusive relationship/ex-husband), or Moon Jung-In from Snow White's Revenge (groomed and basically pimped out by her older husband. It's a long story lol) Again these are both daily dramas. You make some great points, nonetheless.
One thing I love about Jung-Won is that she's locked in. She ain't letting nobody stop her from getting her revenge, I love it. Also, that kiss between her and Ha-Neul disgusted me... no chemistry between them at all. It looked like she was kissing sandpaper! Speaking of YC, I knew that her seducing Se-Hun wouldn't work... I said it first, and I was right! I also like that SH is sticking by JW no matter what, but I can see him becoming more obsessed with her down the line. Now he went to Gangsta Mama's house...
Did NOT see JW revealing herself as Su-A to Hye-Ra coming. If HR doesn't believe that JW is SA next week, I'm gonna flip out! At this point, she's an idiot! With KB, I'm convinced now more than ever that he's gonna die, especially with that scene on the swings and him telling JW (most of) the truth about why HR never came back to get her. I can't wait to see what happens this week!
I do think SH loves JW, but JW doesn't seem to love him so much. Maybe she'll develop feelings for him someday... right now, she's like, "Yeah, I guess he's okay."
Ha-Neul would be helpful if he stopped acting like a schoolboy and actually got his head in the game. He's incredibly boring at the moment.
I DID NOT EXPECT THAT ENDING IN EPISODE 86??? OMG
I agree with the Semi part. I don't think she'll be antagonistic.
Facts! I still don't think she'll back down, though. Maybe she'll start coming after Tae-seok instead (especially if/when Ki-bum dies.)
Ha-Neul definitely needs to step his game up... but I don't need him with Jung-Won at all. 😂
The dad NEEDS to die- because stakes need to go up.
Let me explain... in revenge dramas (in general, not just k-dramas), the protagonist usually suffers a personal loss, whether it's in the beginning of it or in the middle of it. This either starts the revenge or strengthens it. Also, no major characters have died yet in this drama. Daily dramas like this need a major death (or a few) that permanently changes everything. Things would be too boring if no one died. Also, today's episode and his character being such a major victim + holding some of the biggest secrets? That man's a goner. Jung-Won does need more motivation for her revenge, and KB dying is the perfect way to do it!