Cdramas (webdrama) tend to have these cliche romance plots (low budgets, plotholes, etc), because people like…
Of course not, even when it applies to any character, it needs to dealt with correctly. Point being, you are not that invested in secondary characters, the drama does not make or break due to them. If some one else wants to take up the secondary characters consistency, you won't see me objecting to it. Does not mean I should be forced to doing it.
This is not about just this drama showing the FL weeping over a guy. this is about significant Asian dramas with this same trope.
I am yet to see a ML crying over a girl like a wimp in front the FL. have watched dozens where the FL cries in front of the ML over a guy, never the other way around. When this is an established pattern, it points to a misogynistic thinking in whoever is making these dramas.
Cdramas (webdrama) tend to have these cliche romance plots (low budgets, plotholes, etc), because people like…
So, you are perfectly OK with these sexist tropes repeated in these dramas?!
'forecasting' dramas is adult themed, the emotions are different and the trauma of relationship is shown on the man and the woman - not just the woman alone.
If you don't like my comments, you are welcomed to not read them & even if you read, I am not forcing you to respond. and what's this objection on a forum discussing dramas to me posting about the drama? Do they always have to positive? If you find something deeply disturbing in a drama, you don't want to share it?
Cdramas (webdrama) tend to have these cliche romance plots (low budgets, plotholes, etc), because people like…
Let me guess, you don't like it because the ML is not a CEO.
It's a drama geared at adults and not 10 year old's, so I am pretty certain it's not to the taste of a lot of usual asian drama viewers, unsurprisingly.
having adult themes and uncomfortable topics as driving force of a drama does not make it bad. It just makes the drama different.
What's bad is BP. Have had enough of asian dramas that project their FL so pathetic. You never see asian drama ML weepy over girls in front the FL. This trope where only the girl always is shown as crying is so regressive. projecting these women as some one who can't live without men, especially men who never cared for them or loved them...does anyone not find watching this uncomfortable? What's worse, these FL's always cry and weep in front of another man. my god, this is so pervertedly regressive that I am surprised not more people find it offensive at all!!
Cdramas (webdrama) tend to have these cliche romance plots (low budgets, plotholes, etc), because people like…
I don't mind the cliche CEO-employee romances. They can be light and entertaining, if done right. The immediate one that comes to my mind would be 'whats wrong with secretary kim'. It had all the cliches but they did it right for the most part. Looking at the ML and FL, you can easily guess they cared for each other and eventually developed feelings for each other. On their own, FL and ML were likable and since the main focus was romance, they did most things right, including the love triangle.
BP took the worst possible cliches and some how made it even worse. The webtoon was very good, the author showed the progression of characters in way as readers you could see and understand. The first half of the webtoon was mostly the FL journey from getting over her crush to falling in love with the ML. In that journey the FL falls in love, doubts herself and eventually realizes she was as pathetic as her crush & decides to be brave to fight for her love of ML. The drama messes this up. Where is the FL journey that shown in the webtoon? She is weeping over her crush one day and the next day she is jealous over another. That's just not what happens in the webtoon. The drama just murders this part and includes the worst possible cliches. This in turn makes the FL look absolutely horrible. it makes her look like she is with the ML since her first choice of love is not available.
been watching '2521' 'crazy love' and 'forecasting love and weather', all of them are pretty good. '2521' is not primarily romance but it does romance 100 times better than this crap. You could actually see their journey, why they fell in love and why they cared for each other. It's like eating a nice french 5 course dinner with fine wine. BP on the other hand is like eating mcdonalds burger made by a guy who didn't wash his hands after taking a dump.
This Cdrama which is currently running alongside BP has same story line & exactly same leads.
the Pathetic FL who weeps in front of the ML over her lost love. The cold hearted rich and successful ML looks at the crying pathetic FL and finally hits puberty.
Could not get past 20 mins of the first episode of this shit.
dear lord, why are most Asian romances so shitty?! I thought it was unique thing to Cdramas. Now I see it is common in Kdramas as well. Don't know about other asian dramas....are the FL and ML so pathetic and cold in most asian countries dramas?!
Drama poses some interesting questions through 4 couples.
With main couple, the ML is not ready to marry and the FL does not want to give it all because of her fears. Both are red flags when looking for a partner. Unless these 2 are willing to be upfront about these red-flags, they have no business dating anyone. The character growth for these two probably would be in this area.
With second couple, it's broken trust, regret and not meeting the expectations. This relationship is pretty much doomed. They don't match each other in any sense. There is really no bridging that.
The guy who has never been with his family is getting more and more exposed. The wife is imagining things BUT it's that guy who has never made an effort to be with his family. No one pushed him away for years, he chose to stay away. He comes back years later and unsurprisingly all he seems are couple of strangers and decides to bail again. Worse, he goes to another woman's house to stay, which basically is a punch in the gut for his wife. He really needs to buckle up and grovel.
The guy who want's to study is toxic. At his age responsibility triumphs everything else. His wife is an angel. She was willing to go through tough times to support his ambitions and he pulls a crapper on her. The guy needs a beating.
Somebody please enlighten as to why people are going crazy for Business proposal? I mean damn here crazy love…
BP is absolute shitFest. The only reason I continue to watch it to see how these guys can make that drama more cringy and more shitty.
The FL is pathetic with little growth & the ML comes across as a creep. The show is just about romance & nothing else. There is absolutely no other plot to this story. but the progression of romance for FL and ML make little sense.
It's hard to swallow that the FL was weeping over her crush in front of ML and then few days later is deeply in love with him. The FL in BP is possibly the most pathetic FL I have seen in Cdramas. These FL's are fairly common in Cdramas though. It hard to see why any bloke would fall for a girl like that. Would anyone believe a guy who has been crying over a girl pathetically suddenly falls in love with the hot sexy female CEO of his company?!!
Crazy Love is much better, it's not even comparison.
BP at best seems like fantasy of a 10 year old girls who want's a prince to simp them no matter what. No matter how disgusting they are and how pathetic they are, the prince will fall in love and stay with them - don't ask why though.
Why the hell is ML so forceful with the FL I get it that he found her not boring than the other blind dates ladies,…
Well, this drama is shit.
the webtoon is much better. Except for the names of the characters, there is very little in the drama from the webtoon.
The drama is a bundle of vomit inducing cliches, perhaps liked by 10 year old girls with fantasies of a prince coming to sweep them off their feet to happiness - and the drama can't even do that right.
The ML has more make up on his face than the rest of the cast combined has on theirs. It's hard to look at his face with heavy make up and tell yourself this man is CEO and still spends hours each day to cover his face in heavy makeup. Worse is how his character is portrayed & the TRAUMA that every Asian male CEO's seems to have.
Watching the drama one does not know why the ML who is 30 year old, been around the world, having met girls from different cultures and walks of life finds only the FL attractive and decides to finally enter puberty.
The FL is unconvincing in how she went from wailing over failed love of 7 years to the ML. The only explanation is rebound. frankly the FL is absolutely pathetic.
As a feminist, one just needs to swap the gender roles to see how utterly disgustingly pathetic the FL is.
PS: I think we should start a petition to have all male CEO's in asia to go to a group therapy session for their trauma, which they all seem to have.
2PS: we should also have centers for love failure asian girls to go to so that cry in front of CEO's. May be the weepy girls and traumatized CEO's can meet at the center to exchange tears for comfort. As added bonus since all these traumatized CEO's seem to have a thing for weepy girls in failed love, it would be a win a win for all if they fall in love.
GC is perhaps worst simp in whole of Asian dramaland.
He has a drunk one night stand like 100 years ago with KYA and he is still pathetically waiting on the same girl who happily got married to another guy.
The way the drama is going, he is going to end up with KYA because she will be dumped by the ML and will have no one to go to. Yeah GC, swoop in on the girl on the rebound and has no other option. but you. That's screaming love.
Asian dramas do simps so well. Forget backbone, these simpy men have no bones at all.
YG does not deserve Dan Dan even in his wildest dreams. That guy is a gutless coward and an idiot. Not remotely convinced he loves her. The big gesture he made in the last episode reeks of showing off his money than his love. Given his track record of bailing out on DD at the earliest signs of trouble, why would this girl decides to be with him is beyond anyone at this point.
I don’t find Minwoo annoying but his gf is sure a green eyed monster
Well, the FL keeps allowing the guy with a girlfriend to keep showing unusual interest in her.
Any girl with IQ over 10 would have drawn a line and told the "friend" to be mindful and keep distance since he already has a girlfriend. but since it's the FL pulling this shit, we need to pretend it is ok since we see her crying about him.
Hari in the drama is pathetic, unlike the webtoon. She has not shown a single inclination to stand up for her self or stand up to the shit being pulled by her crush who already has a girl. What self-esteem? This pathetic woman was weeping over a guy in front of another guy she barely knew as if her crush was the love of her life in multiple lives.
MinWoo was not being disrespectful?! He is the most disgusting of the lot. In fact among the FL, ML, MinWoo and his girlfriend, only the girlfriend is likable. She is standing up for herself and is not taking the bullshit being pulled by her boyfriend and the FL who is crushing on him.
let's be frank, anyone watching this drama would find the ML, FL and her crush to be absolutely pathetic. All of them are for various reasons.
I don’t find Minwoo annoying but his gf is sure a green eyed monster
Yeah, that girl's boyfriend is showing unusual interest in the love life of his female friend yet the girl is the monster and the guy is not annoying. That man is crap.
His girlfriend should dump him sorry disgusting ass and get away.
Wow why are some people still bashing Hari? I don't understand but they should try to be in her shoes. Like I…
Well, both the leads are pretty much crap.
Like you stated, ML is pretty much a pathetic wimp.
Good that some one else is saying the same about the ML.
There is a reason why the drama should stay true to source material & this drama is a proof of what happens when the drama makers creativity makes the leads look like a bunch of losers.
Point being, you are not that invested in secondary characters, the drama does not make or break due to them. If some one else wants to take up the secondary characters consistency, you won't see me objecting to it. Does not mean I should be forced to doing it.
This is not about just this drama showing the FL weeping over a guy.
this is about significant Asian dramas with this same trope.
I am yet to see a ML crying over a girl like a wimp in front the FL. have watched dozens where the FL cries in front of the ML over a guy, never the other way around.
When this is an established pattern, it points to a misogynistic thinking in whoever is making these dramas.
rest of your points are fair. At this point I am just lashing out because I liked the webtoon and I feel the drama turned it into a turd.
'forecasting' dramas is adult themed, the emotions are different and the trauma of relationship is shown on the man and the woman - not just the woman alone.
If you don't like my comments, you are welcomed to not read them & even if you read, I am not forcing you to respond.
and what's this objection on a forum discussing dramas to me posting about the drama?
Do they always have to positive? If you find something deeply disturbing in a drama, you don't want to share it?
It's a drama geared at adults and not 10 year old's, so I am pretty certain it's not to the taste of a lot of usual asian drama viewers, unsurprisingly.
having adult themes and uncomfortable topics as driving force of a drama does not make it bad. It just makes the drama different.
What's bad is BP.
Have had enough of asian dramas that project their FL so pathetic.
You never see asian drama ML weepy over girls in front the FL. This trope where only the girl always is shown as crying is so regressive. projecting these women as some one who can't live without men, especially men who never cared for them or loved them...does anyone not find watching this uncomfortable?
What's worse, these FL's always cry and weep in front of another man.
my god, this is so pervertedly regressive that I am surprised not more people find it offensive at all!!
They can be light and entertaining, if done right. The immediate one that comes to my mind would be 'whats wrong with secretary kim'.
It had all the cliches but they did it right for the most part. Looking at the ML and FL, you can easily guess they cared for each other and eventually developed feelings for each other. On their own, FL and ML were likable and since the main focus was romance, they did most things right, including the love triangle.
BP took the worst possible cliches and some how made it even worse.
The webtoon was very good, the author showed the progression of characters in way as readers you could see and understand.
The first half of the webtoon was mostly the FL journey from getting over her crush to falling in love with the ML. In that journey the FL falls in love, doubts herself and eventually realizes she was as pathetic as her crush & decides to be brave to fight for her love of ML.
The drama messes this up.
Where is the FL journey that shown in the webtoon? She is weeping over her crush one day and the next day she is jealous over another. That's just not what happens in the webtoon. The drama just murders this part and includes the worst possible cliches. This in turn makes the FL look absolutely horrible. it makes her look like she is with the ML since her first choice of love is not available.
been watching '2521' 'crazy love' and 'forecasting love and weather', all of them are pretty good.
'2521' is not primarily romance but it does romance 100 times better than this crap. You could actually see their journey, why they fell in love and why they cared for each other. It's like eating a nice french 5 course dinner with fine wine.
BP on the other hand is like eating mcdonalds burger made by a guy who didn't wash his hands after taking a dump.
20 mins of first episode, I puked and stopped watching it.
This Cdrama which is currently running alongside BP has same story line & exactly same leads.
the Pathetic FL who weeps in front of the ML over her lost love.
The cold hearted rich and successful ML looks at the crying pathetic FL and finally hits puberty.
Could not get past 20 mins of the first episode of this shit.
dear lord, why are most Asian romances so shitty?! I thought it was unique thing to Cdramas. Now I see it is common in Kdramas as well. Don't know about other asian dramas....are the FL and ML so pathetic and cold in most asian countries dramas?!
With main couple, the ML is not ready to marry and the FL does not want to give it all because of her fears. Both are red flags when looking for a partner. Unless these 2 are willing to be upfront about these red-flags, they have no business dating anyone. The character growth for these two probably would be in this area.
With second couple, it's broken trust, regret and not meeting the expectations. This relationship is pretty much doomed. They don't match each other in any sense. There is really no bridging that.
The guy who has never been with his family is getting more and more exposed. The wife is imagining things BUT it's that guy who has never made an effort to be with his family. No one pushed him away for years, he chose to stay away. He comes back years later and unsurprisingly all he seems are couple of strangers and decides to bail again.
Worse, he goes to another woman's house to stay, which basically is a punch in the gut for his wife. He really needs to buckle up and grovel.
The guy who want's to study is toxic.
At his age responsibility triumphs everything else. His wife is an angel. She was willing to go through tough times to support his ambitions and he pulls a crapper on her.
The guy needs a beating.
The only reason I continue to watch it to see how these guys can make that drama more cringy and more shitty.
The FL is pathetic with little growth & the ML comes across as a creep.
The show is just about romance & nothing else. There is absolutely no other plot to this story. but the progression of romance for FL and ML make little sense.
It's hard to swallow that the FL was weeping over her crush in front of ML and then few days later is deeply in love with him. The FL in BP is possibly the most pathetic FL I have seen in Cdramas. These FL's are fairly common in Cdramas though.
It hard to see why any bloke would fall for a girl like that.
Would anyone believe a guy who has been crying over a girl pathetically suddenly falls in love with the hot sexy female CEO of his company?!!
Crazy Love is much better, it's not even comparison.
BP at best seems like fantasy of a 10 year old girls who want's a prince to simp them no matter what. No matter how disgusting they are and how pathetic they are, the prince will fall in love and stay with them - don't ask why though.
She would have made a mean lawyer.
the webtoon is much better.
Except for the names of the characters, there is very little in the drama from the webtoon.
The drama is a bundle of vomit inducing cliches, perhaps liked by 10 year old girls with fantasies of a prince coming to sweep them off their feet to happiness - and the drama can't even do that right.
The ML has more make up on his face than the rest of the cast combined has on theirs.
It's hard to look at his face with heavy make up and tell yourself this man is CEO and still spends hours each day to cover his face in heavy makeup.
Worse is how his character is portrayed & the TRAUMA that every Asian male CEO's seems to have.
Watching the drama one does not know why the ML who is 30 year old, been around the world, having met girls from different cultures and walks of life finds only the FL attractive and decides to finally enter puberty.
The FL is unconvincing in how she went from wailing over failed love of 7 years to the ML. The only explanation is rebound.
frankly the FL is absolutely pathetic.
As a feminist, one just needs to swap the gender roles to see how utterly disgustingly pathetic the FL is.
PS: I think we should start a petition to have all male CEO's in asia to go to a group therapy session for their trauma, which they all seem to have.
2PS: we should also have centers for love failure asian girls to go to so that cry in front of CEO's. May be the weepy girls and traumatized CEO's can meet at the center to exchange tears for comfort. As added bonus since all these traumatized CEO's seem to have a thing for weepy girls in failed love, it would be a win a win for all if they fall in love.
The writers absolutely massacred his character without any possibility of redemption.
Since we all like happy endings, we need to forget how incompetent & stupid the guy is.
He has a drunk one night stand like 100 years ago with KYA and he is still pathetically waiting on the same girl who happily got married to another guy.
The way the drama is going, he is going to end up with KYA because she will be dumped by the ML and will have no one to go to. Yeah GC, swoop in on the girl on the rebound and has no other option. but you. That's screaming love.
Asian dramas do simps so well. Forget backbone, these simpy men have no bones at all.
YG does not deserve Dan Dan even in his wildest dreams.
That guy is a gutless coward and an idiot.
Not remotely convinced he loves her.
The big gesture he made in the last episode reeks of showing off his money than his love. Given his track record of bailing out on DD at the earliest signs of trouble, why would this girl decides to be with him is beyond anyone at this point.
Any girl with IQ over 10 would have drawn a line and told the "friend" to be mindful and keep distance since he already has a girlfriend.
but since it's the FL pulling this shit, we need to pretend it is ok since we see her crying about him.
Hari in the drama is pathetic, unlike the webtoon.
She has not shown a single inclination to stand up for her self or stand up to the shit being pulled by her crush who already has a girl.
What self-esteem? This pathetic woman was weeping over a guy in front of another guy she barely knew as if her crush was the love of her life in multiple lives.
MinWoo was not being disrespectful?!
He is the most disgusting of the lot.
In fact among the FL, ML, MinWoo and his girlfriend, only the girlfriend is likable. She is standing up for herself and is not taking the bullshit being pulled by her boyfriend and the FL who is crushing on him.
let's be frank, anyone watching this drama would find the ML, FL and her crush to be absolutely pathetic. All of them are for various reasons.
That man is crap.
His girlfriend should dump him sorry disgusting ass and get away.
In return he dumps her on the street..literally.
In return he dumps her on the street..literally.
but she is forcing her colleague to give up on his daughter.
it's very easy to give advise as long as you don't have to follow it.
Like you stated, ML is pretty much a pathetic wimp.
Good that some one else is saying the same about the ML.
There is a reason why the drama should stay true to source material & this drama is a proof of what happens when the drama makers creativity makes the leads look like a bunch of losers.