Don't count her crush out yet, they definitely had something between them, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes…
Sorry but the ML in toon and drama at this point, does not make the FL feel safe. That's basically one of the biggest plot drivers for half the drama. She constantly feels fearful, insecure and add her growing feeling for the guy, she is a mess.
At this moment, the FL does not want anything to do with ML. He literally is the cause of her nightmares. Her life is at stake and the last thing she would feel with the ML is 'safe'. This is shown in the webtoon. Keep watching and you will see trust being an issue for the FL as well, unless they change that as well in the drama.
These crying scenes are so out of place with reality and character growth that one needs to scratch their heads to understand their intent or purpose.
This is the problem with this drama. She is hiding her identity, she wants to have as minimal interactions with him as possible, she is basically trying to end her fake relationship with him and then we see this.
While reading the toon, you could see the authors love for all 4 main leads. there was care given to each of them and their growth. Their individual journeys of falling in love was endearing and logical. The fears and consequently the actions made sense in the toon. The drama basically crapped on it in the 3rd episode.
Don't count her crush out yet, they definitely had something between them, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes…
Men and Women both cry over their love failures - in front of their nearest and dearest ones and even amongst the nearest and dearest, rarely in front of opposite sex.
That's not what's happening in Asian dramaland. in Asian dramaland. women cry about their love failures in front of men whom they barely know. That's really pathetic, unless the guy is an undercover therapist.
Like you said, it's probably a cultural thing and in Asia heart-broken women do share their sadness in front of men they barely know. Been in few countries all over the world and both men and women would be very embarrassed at letting others (not so near/dear ones) know their love failures and sobbing about it.
We are digressing and it's probably a personal choice. Some people may like these kinds of sobbing scenes but it makes me cringe because it's a pathetic cliche trope being shown in every other Asian drama.
Don't count her crush out yet, they definitely had something between them, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes…
What has her crying in front of ML got to do with anything you said?
I have seen dozens of Cdramas with the FL crying over men in front of the ML. It just feels so unrealistic and out of place, especially when in none of these dramas the men never do the same.
Forget weak, any drama where the FL is weeping over men in front of other men makes her pathetic, especially since the men are never shown doing it. Are asian men mentally strong than their women?!!
May be it's a cultural thing and I am not getting it. In Asia is it common for women who have love failures to cry in front of other men describing their lost love in detail? Is it only women who cry over failed love OR do men also weep in front of random women about the crushes that did not choose them?
trying to get a cultural perspective here.
Why would anyone feel jealous over a woman wailing over a guy who did not choose or dumped her?!
The webtoon does jealous ML and it does it pretty spectacularly.
Don't count her crush out yet, they definitely had something between them, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes…
Then there was really no point of the FL weeping so much about it while ML is being a witness to it. Whenever I watch this trope in asian drama now a days, it just makes me think of the FL as pathetic and it's so bad cringy. Wait, it is super bad stupid cringy.
I disagree with the statement that Tae Mu will be chosen as the second choice now. So basically even if it wasn't…
The webtoon addresses this perfectly. The drama messed it up.
The whole concept of rebound is exactly what we are seeing in the drama. That's why it's called a rebound & no matter how anyone tries to sugar quote it, in the drama the ML is the rebound option for the FL. If it was a long drama, which happens over a significant period of time, I can completely understand your view. This drama though is short, the time period is short. So, the whole scene of her crying in front of ML and deciding to give up, makes the ML the rebound option.
She may still fall in love the ML but the whole 'what if' the crush was available, would she chose the ML will always remain.
It's not a bad story line perse. Felt it was an unnecessary one since the toon does address this in much better way.
I can understand a webtoon reader would want it to be same as the original material, but just saying it from a…
That's why I said if it was not based on the webtoon, it would have been a pretty good drama.
The webtoon does the part of her falling in love with ML and out of love with her crush very well. It does not happen over-night. It happens over a period and she falls for him. In the toon, the FL had the option and she chose the ML over her crush of years.
In the drama, we would never know if presented with the same option who she would choose. The whole end the last relationship and start a new one', while being realistic does not fit into the realm of established parameters of these kinds of drama. Let's remind ourselves the ML is a 30 year old man who has never had a crush in his life, not really realistic nowadays or any days.
The whole FL crying over another man in front of ML is disgustingly pathetic cliche in my opinion. It makes the FL look pathetic. Reason for that simple. you never see the ML crying over other girls in front of the FL and FL comforting him in any Asian drama. It almost never happens in real life but in Asian dramas this trope of FL crying over another man happens in every other drama While the opposite never happens. Ever seen an Asian drama where the ML is weeping in front of the FL over other girls?!!
the whole ending her crush once she had a talk with ML is silly. She could have ended it any time in the 7 years she crushed on him. He was with the other girl, was into the other girl and it's not like FL did not know. for 7 years she has seen him with other girls and only decided to end it after crying about it in front of ML. It makes no logical sense. And you can't end your crushes just because you decided to end it. Crushes don't work that way - ever.
The webtoon addresses this very well. She does not get over her crush. She just falls deeply in love with the ML and he becomes the only option for her. Just like how ML in toon did not want to marry anyone but only wanted to marry her.
On it's own the drama would have been a good one BUT this absolutely pales in comparison to the webtoon and some of the changes are bad cliche.
ML and FL do have good chemistry but read the webtoon to understand what kind of chemistry they had in that.
Still 9 more episodes to go. Hopefully the bad cliches end and they get back to the original wonderful material.
Spoilers - Not sure why the writers felt the need to change the story & more importantly characters from webtoon. The webtoon was perfect. FL in webtoon falls in love ML and chooses him over her crush. Here they changed it to her crush NOT being available, so she now seems to go to the ML on a rebound. In the webtoon, both wanted to be with each other and chose each other. Now it looks like FL will be the ML because her first choice is no longer available. And the only time FL cries in the webtoon was when she realizes she loves the ML and thinks he does not love her back. The whole FL crying in front of ML over another man is straight out of Cdrama & a detestable cliche. Not sue why they would insert such a trashy Cdrama cliche which was not in the webtoon here.
ML in the drama is no Taemu from the webtoon. For those who have doubts read the webtoon. Taemu in webtoon is absolute master of everything he sees, nothing and no one affects him. The only person who makes him lose his control is the FL.
The Handsome & cold CEO with adorable girl trope makes for a great story, the webtoon did it perfectly. Not sure why the writers of the drama felt the need to make changes which clearly made the drama worse.
If there was no webtoon, the current drama would have been pretty good. It's pretty hard not to compare it to the original material and feel disappointed since the toon is damn near perfect in what it wanted to show.
So you can be engaged, planning your wedding, cheating, but if your cheating partner has lived with her ex, that's…
It does not stop there..
This guy does not want his ex to move on and be with other men. The actor is playing the repulsive guy very well.
After watching Korean and Chinese dramas, I think romance as a genre is very subverted. It's more love than sex, as if it's a crime to have sexual feelings. Every time I watch a Chinese romance drama, I am amazed and confused at the portrayal of romance. There literally is no sexual tension or attraction portrayed. It's all about love. Keep scratching my head thinking if these characters skip puberty altogether?!
I kind of get wanting to have it out with the ex in private hence dragging him away by the tie. I think he never…
He is not just an ex. They did not separate because they fell out of love or split up because they did not work out like the ML and 2FL.
She was humiliated by him to such a degree where she had decided to even leave the country for a while.
He keeps over-stepping boundaries repeatedly. The best thing to do in those situations is either ignore it or escalate it NOT take him to the side and hear him out.
But it is all minor. FL does deal with him fairly overall. She still seems to be a bit sympathetic to him but outside of that nothing more.
First of all, this is not a fluffy teen drama. This is primarily targeted towards adult audiences. The show deals with grown up issues between people who have been hurt. Totally different genre.
FL needs to learn to send the message of NO to her ex. That guy repeatedly takes advantage of her & even comes to her home drunk. FL at that point should not have entertained the guy. Either call his wife or ask one of the 3 guys there to dump him outside. From the previews it does look like she continues to engage and entertain the ex in certain meaningful way. And it's good that ML calls her out.
The continued entitlement of the ex and the FL being embarrassed is regressive. This was the time for FL to stand her ground and told the ex to FkOff and it's none of his business.
The FL's dad is shameless. Why are two women even fighting over this garbage?!
The FL has become extremely dumb and passive. She is married to the guy who is central to destroying her life, death of her grand dad and he even has another family going on the side. Talk about getting screwed royally by some one and not even have an idea about it. She is very very passive at this point. Irony is that she only fights with the ML and with everyone else she rolls over and presents her bottom to be spanked.
Just swap the genders and imagine if it was the ML entering into FL's life, seduce her and use her to get his…
fairly put.
could say my disappointment was mainly due to the character growth for 30 episodes was thrown out of the window in last 10 episodes.
Thats why I felt the writers could have just down the revenge route. The FL just wants revenge and gets it. In process she manipulates anyone to achieve what she want's. I would definitely watch that drama. This one confused me.
Another strong episode. Explores the deepest fears both leads have, the trauma they have gone through and their vulnerabilities. Just lobed how the FL after learning about the truth was kind, understanding and yet said what needed to be said.
Just a minor quibble. The FL is just too good for her own good. Why would she help her cheating ex?! That guy kicked the FL in her nuts and yet....wished she stood her ground and gave him middle finger.
Starting to understand more about why the ex-gf of ML dumped him. With father like that she would have been under some pressure. Little wonder ML is not too angry with her cheating ways. With father like that, it would take a really strong woman to deal with him and still retain the relationship.
That father, yuck. Even deadbeats retain bit of parental love for their off spring.
the show has 25+ episodes driven by amnesia plot, which basically forms the core of the drama. That's ridiculous.
There are so many wonderful plot lines that can used to drive a plot.
There are many relationships that needs fixing and exploration but not enough time is being spent of them. Instead we are subjected to weekly dose of amnesia of a retarded chairman for months.
That's basically one of the biggest plot drivers for half the drama. She constantly feels fearful, insecure and add her growing feeling for the guy, she is a mess.
At this moment, the FL does not want anything to do with ML. He literally is the cause of her nightmares. Her life is at stake and the last thing she would feel with the ML is 'safe'. This is shown in the webtoon.
Keep watching and you will see trust being an issue for the FL as well, unless they change that as well in the drama.
These crying scenes are so out of place with reality and character growth that one needs to scratch their heads to understand their intent or purpose.
This is the problem with this drama. She is hiding her identity, she wants to have as minimal interactions with him as possible, she is basically trying to end her fake relationship with him and then we see this.
While reading the toon, you could see the authors love for all 4 main leads. there was care given to each of them and their growth. Their individual journeys of falling in love was endearing and logical. The fears and consequently the actions made sense in the toon. The drama basically crapped on it in the 3rd episode.
That's not what's happening in Asian dramaland.
in Asian dramaland. women cry about their love failures in front of men whom they barely know.
That's really pathetic, unless the guy is an undercover therapist.
Like you said, it's probably a cultural thing and in Asia heart-broken women do share their sadness in front of men they barely know.
Been in few countries all over the world and both men and women would be very embarrassed at letting others (not so near/dear ones) know their love failures and sobbing about it.
We are digressing and it's probably a personal choice. Some people may like these kinds of sobbing scenes but it makes me cringe because it's a pathetic cliche trope being shown in every other Asian drama.
I have seen dozens of Cdramas with the FL crying over men in front of the ML. It just feels so unrealistic and out of place, especially when in none of these dramas the men never do the same.
Forget weak, any drama where the FL is weeping over men in front of other men makes her pathetic, especially since the men are never shown doing it. Are asian men mentally strong than their women?!!
May be it's a cultural thing and I am not getting it.
In Asia is it common for women who have love failures to cry in front of other men describing their lost love in detail?
Is it only women who cry over failed love OR do men also weep in front of random women about the crushes that did not choose them?
trying to get a cultural perspective here.
Why would anyone feel jealous over a woman wailing over a guy who did not choose or dumped her?!
The webtoon does jealous ML and it does it pretty spectacularly.
Whenever I watch this trope in asian drama now a days, it just makes me think of the FL as pathetic and it's so bad cringy. Wait, it is super bad stupid cringy.
The drama messed it up.
The whole concept of rebound is exactly what we are seeing in the drama.
That's why it's called a rebound & no matter how anyone tries to sugar quote it, in the drama the ML is the rebound option for the FL.
If it was a long drama, which happens over a significant period of time, I can completely understand your view.
This drama though is short, the time period is short.
So, the whole scene of her crying in front of ML and deciding to give up, makes the ML the rebound option.
She may still fall in love the ML but the whole 'what if' the crush was available, would she chose the ML will always remain.
It's not a bad story line perse. Felt it was an unnecessary one since the toon does address this in much better way.
The webtoon does the part of her falling in love with ML and out of love with her crush very well. It does not happen over-night. It happens over a period and she falls for him.
In the toon, the FL had the option and she chose the ML over her crush of years.
In the drama, we would never know if presented with the same option who she would choose. The whole end the last relationship and start a new one', while being realistic does not fit into the realm of established parameters of these kinds of drama. Let's remind ourselves the ML is a 30 year old man who has never had a crush in his life, not really realistic nowadays or any days.
The whole FL crying over another man in front of ML is disgustingly pathetic cliche in my opinion. It makes the FL look pathetic.
Reason for that simple. you never see the ML crying over other girls in front of the FL and FL comforting him in any Asian drama.
It almost never happens in real life but in Asian dramas this trope of FL crying over another man happens in every other drama While the opposite never happens.
Ever seen an Asian drama where the ML is weeping in front of the FL over other girls?!!
the whole ending her crush once she had a talk with ML is silly.
She could have ended it any time in the 7 years she crushed on him. He was with the other girl, was into the other girl and it's not like FL did not know. for 7 years she has seen him with other girls and only decided to end it after crying about it in front of ML. It makes no logical sense.
And you can't end your crushes just because you decided to end it. Crushes don't work that way - ever.
The webtoon addresses this very well. She does not get over her crush. She just falls deeply in love with the ML and he becomes the only option for her.
Just like how ML in toon did not want to marry anyone but only wanted to marry her.
On it's own the drama would have been a good one
BUT this absolutely pales in comparison to the webtoon and some of the changes are bad cliche.
ML and FL do have good chemistry but read the webtoon to understand what kind of chemistry they had in that.
Still 9 more episodes to go. Hopefully the bad cliches end and they get back to the original wonderful material.
Spoilers -
Not sure why the writers felt the need to change the story & more importantly characters from webtoon.
The webtoon was perfect.
FL in webtoon falls in love ML and chooses him over her crush. Here they changed it to her crush NOT being available, so she now seems to go to the ML on a rebound.
In the webtoon, both wanted to be with each other and chose each other. Now it looks like FL will be the ML because her first choice is no longer available.
And the only time FL cries in the webtoon was when she realizes she loves the ML and thinks he does not love her back.
The whole FL crying in front of ML over another man is straight out of Cdrama & a detestable cliche. Not sue why they would insert such a trashy Cdrama cliche which was not in the webtoon here.
ML in the drama is no Taemu from the webtoon.
For those who have doubts read the webtoon.
Taemu in webtoon is absolute master of everything he sees, nothing and no one affects him. The only person who makes him lose his control is the FL.
The Handsome & cold CEO with adorable girl trope makes for a great story, the webtoon did it perfectly. Not sure why the writers of the drama felt the need to make changes which clearly made the drama worse.
If there was no webtoon, the current drama would have been pretty good.
It's pretty hard not to compare it to the original material and feel disappointed since the toon is damn near perfect in what it wanted to show.
ML needs bit more range of expressions.
FL was pretty good
Should have retained the one in webtoon for the drama instead of making the character bit of a comedian.
The drama is still very good though.
This guy does not want his ex to move on and be with other men.
The actor is playing the repulsive guy very well.
After watching Korean and Chinese dramas, I think romance as a genre is very subverted. It's more love than sex, as if it's a crime to have sexual feelings.
Every time I watch a Chinese romance drama, I am amazed and confused at the portrayal of romance. There literally is no sexual tension or attraction portrayed. It's all about love.
Keep scratching my head thinking if these characters skip puberty altogether?!
Mid way through, this drama had so much potential and the lazy writers destroyed this drama.
The men are so cowardly and pathetic.
If only the ML has 1% of courage and commonsense that the FL had...
She was humiliated by him to such a degree where she had decided to even leave the country for a while.
He keeps over-stepping boundaries repeatedly.
The best thing to do in those situations is either ignore it or escalate it NOT take him to the side and hear him out.
But it is all minor. FL does deal with him fairly overall. She still seems to be a bit sympathetic to him but outside of that nothing more.
First of all, this is not a fluffy teen drama. This is primarily targeted towards adult audiences. The show deals with grown up issues between people who have been hurt.
Totally different genre.
FL needs to learn to send the message of NO to her ex.
That guy repeatedly takes advantage of her & even comes to her home drunk.
FL at that point should not have entertained the guy. Either call his wife or ask one of the 3 guys there to dump him outside.
From the previews it does look like she continues to engage and entertain the ex in certain meaningful way. And it's good that ML calls her out.
The continued entitlement of the ex and the FL being embarrassed is regressive.
This was the time for FL to stand her ground and told the ex to FkOff and it's none of his business.
Why are two women even fighting over this garbage?!
The FL has become extremely dumb and passive.
She is married to the guy who is central to destroying her life, death of her grand dad and he even has another family going on the side.
Talk about getting screwed royally by some one and not even have an idea about it.
She is very very passive at this point. Irony is that she only fights with the ML and with everyone else she rolls over and presents her bottom to be spanked.
could say my disappointment was mainly due to the character growth for 30 episodes was thrown out of the window in last 10 episodes.
Thats why I felt the writers could have just down the revenge route. The FL just wants revenge and gets it. In process she manipulates anyone to achieve what she want's.
I would definitely watch that drama.
This one confused me.
Explores the deepest fears both leads have, the trauma they have gone through and their vulnerabilities.
Just lobed how the FL after learning about the truth was kind, understanding and yet said what needed to be said.
Just a minor quibble. The FL is just too good for her own good.
Why would she help her cheating ex?! That guy kicked the FL in her nuts and yet....wished she stood her ground and gave him middle finger.
Starting to understand more about why the ex-gf of ML dumped him. With father like that she would have been under some pressure. Little wonder ML is not too angry with her cheating ways. With father like that, it would take a really strong woman to deal with him and still retain the relationship.
That father, yuck. Even deadbeats retain bit of parental love for their off spring.
the show has 25+ episodes driven by amnesia plot, which basically forms the core of the drama. That's ridiculous.
There are so many wonderful plot lines that can used to drive a plot.
There are many relationships that needs fixing and exploration but not enough time is being spent of them. Instead we are subjected to weekly dose of amnesia of a retarded chairman for months.