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Thank you - also loving everyone else' addition to it. Love how well done this show is, making it so interesting and opening to so many perspectives. Hoping it finishes well till the end 🤞🏼

I like this - what if Kylum is not a thing but a person - and it is Han Daon.
Interesting.

Though I have a slight doubt on this - cause Daon is shown to be a human who can sway. Like he is a good character but because of the losses he has faced - his family, foster mom - his good soul maybe tinged with a little bit of evil. Which is why maybe I feel in the finale Justicia will have to face Han Daon too, after defeating Satan as her last judgment, or maybe before defeating Satan.

Your comment is making me think of another point - which I have no added in the OP. Thanks for that and your time to read through!

Why was Killer J dormant for 20 years?
Option 1: I am not sure but it could be that it was Assemblyman possessed by Satan and did the killings. But then something happened or Satan wanted a younger body so now he is possessing Son 1. Hence there is a gap of 20 years. This seems a weak case - but still a thought.

Option 2: Assemblyman is Satan/Killer J and made those killings when he was younger/middle aged. He got enough power by killing 20 years ago - but stopped cause he became powerful enough and even a big political figure. So kind of it slipped from his mind as he was able to get through anything with his power/money - until old age stuck him and the fear of death loomed for him. Hence he has started killing again and wants to accomplish his task to become immortal.

The above is kind of inspired by Voldemort (Harry Potter) and Orochimaru (Naruto) like driven to a point to achieve greatness they did all those crimes, and left it halfway because they thought they became the best. Until the problem of dying again came into the picture - and so he is killing again.

Option 3:
It is another person or either of the above 2 characters - but something happened after doing those killings 20 years ago. Maybe Gabriel or any other higher power intervened and Satan / Killer J had to go into hiding. He also did not have Kylum* with him and therefore was defeated easily. Therefore he chose to hide and bide his time, while searching for Kylum to be better prepared. Now he is back and killing again, while in possession of Kylum, thinking he will have better chance at defeating whatever higher power drove him out earlier.

Option 4: Everything from Option 3 + Whoever is Killer J/Satan is also thinks they can possess Justicia and overthrow Bael and then take command of Hell and Earth. This is so because it seems like the one powerful after Bael would be Justicia. And now that Justicia is her human form it would be easier to take possession. This is why he has become active now again after 20 years...?

Thank you for reading, kind words on the my interpretation 🙌🏼 and sharing your thoughts! I am enjoying the show too, and yes impressive so far and hence hoping they leave no loose ends.

P.S: I think best to keep your comment under spoiler tag, lest it spoils someone's viewing experience. But thanks again - let's discuss more when the next episodes come out ❤️

hahaha - I am hoping this is not sarcasm 🙈 and I hope I could write that well :P

Below are my thoughts - would love to know others' perspective!

[1 ] Killer J = Satan, because he is the evilest of the culprit in this show, plus confirmed with the information shared by Bitna and Mando, only way he can stay immortal is through killing good people and collecting their body parts, and Kylum. That is kind of like taunting "God" that I am killing your best folks = Totally Evil, Totally Satan = Killer J (human form)

[2] Assemblyman and first son is shady as hell. One of them is surely Killer J / Satan. Whoever it is has also killed the Assemblyman wife, and second son is the witness to it. Which is why he takes drugs and wants to die - because what he knows is killing him inside. The show initially kind of makes it feel like he definitely is a culprit or accomplice - but I feel he is putting himself into doing bad in order to be punished and get killed, as what he knows he cannot share but does not want to bear it anymore.

[3] What is Bael's deal? Initially I thought that he punished Justicia to teach her a lesson so that she learns to be better at her role - after having lived through the human punishment. Or maybe it was his big plan to make her humane. But that last episode with him ordering Paimon to kill her - even if it was a taunt, makes me skeptical on his motives. Even now that he will take away her powers in the future episodes - I am not sure if it is to teach her a lesson, or is there something sinister brewing in his mind?

[4] Paimon sounds like the name of a digimon/pokemon :P

[5] I think the other 2 detectives, Han Daon's team members are going to discover what happened to human Kang Bitna. This is the most mysterious part for me - which we are yet to touch. I really hope they flesh it out well and explain what happened to her and where she is now. Till date we have not heard much on it - only a bit from the Assemblyman's first son = that old Kang Bitna would have not lived in the villa/apartment she is living in now - cause maybe she despised the poor.

What I can infer is that Kang Bitna former human - was someone who grew up poor, so she took any means to rise up and become a judge (which means taking bribes etc). And which is why she did not ever want to go back to her poor circumstances and hated them to a level. Which is why she had a drive to excel that Assemblyman liked and she was thought to be his "successor" in politics by marrying his son. But am curious - who stabbed her, was it any person who felt her past case judgement was wrong and therefore retaliated - or was it Assemblyman Son 1 - and that is why Son 2 witnessed it. And therefore Kang Bitna was kind of stuck - like she has done some evil in her life (bribes etc) but she was murdered - so maybe Hell was not the place for her - and hence this whole ordeal with Justicia's punishment.

Really hope they show us what happened rather than giving us a short, rushed version in finale episode.

[6] Why Killer J/Satan did not kill for 20 years?
April2000's comment made me think of this point - Why was Killer J dormant for 20 years? and here are some of my thoughts:

Option 1: I am not sure but it could be that it was Assemblyman possessed by Satan and did the killings. But then something happened or Satan wanted a younger body so now he is possessing Son 1. Hence there is a gap of 20 years. This seems a weak case - but still a thought.

Option 2: Assemblyman is Satan/Killer J and made those killings when he was younger/middle aged. He got enough power by killing 20 years ago - but stopped cause he became powerful enough and even a big political figure. So kind of it slipped from his mind as he was able to get through anything with his power/money - until old age stuck him and the fear of death loomed for him. Hence he has started killing again and wants to accomplish his task to become immortal.

The above is kind of inspired by Voldemort (Harry Potter) and Orochimaru (Naruto) like driven to a point to achieve greatness they did all those crimes, and left it halfway because they thought they became the best. Until the problem of dying again came into the picture - and so he is killing again.

Option 3:
It is another person or either of the above 2 characters - but something happened after doing those killings 20 years ago. Maybe Gabriel or any other higher power intervened and Satan / Killer J had to go into hiding. He also did not have Kylum* with him and therefore was defeated easily. Therefore he chose to hide and bide his time, while searching for Kylum to be better prepared. Now he is back and killing again, while in possession of Kylum, thinking he will have better chance at defeating whatever higher power drove him out earlier.

Option 4: Everything from Option 3 + Whoever is Killer J/Satan is also thinks they can possess Justicia and overthrow Bael and then take command of Hell and Earth. This is so because it seems like the one powerful after Bael would be Justicia. And now that Justicia is her human form it would be easier to take possession. This is why he has become active now again after 20 years...?

Omg! We are getting close to the end, and loved the fight scene of Ep 10.
Some thoughts and theories - after seeing Ep 9-10. Others who have seen so far - what do you think? Sharing under first comment under spoiler tag....Can't wait for next weekend ❤️

Update: Added new point [6] Why Killer J/Satan did not kill for 20 years?
April2000's comment made me think of this point - Why was Killer J dormant for 20 years and have added it in first comment - interested to know what others think?

This show is killing me with curiosity - in a good way, and I love it ❤️🤝

The title of this article.......I thought the actors are having a reunion after 18 years 😅
Literally went to check all their works of 2006-08 😂

Boyhood deserves all the recognition and then some more! It was such a great show - with the right amount of nostalgia, comedy and terrific acting! 💖

Thank you - I will check it out! 💟

I have rewatched this an unhealthy amount of times - just to see Sugino's intense gaze and then that damn smile! ❤️I need him to take rom-com dramas! (And someone to sub it all - still waiting for Mountain Doctor)

Hmm - yes, cause if she was back on earth, why has she not returned to her normal routine and surroundings?

Or could she too be in a different body?

Thanks for sharing your theory - I guess we all agree on these areas similarly.

I honestly do not want Season 2 though - cause I can't wait long for it. Multiple seasons in my opinion seem to dilute the show experience and excitement.

4 - I am also thinking second son killed/stabbed her and father witnessed it. He therefore wants to hide it and is keeping tabs on Bitna should her memories return. Or it could be Son 1 as well, maybe Bitna was against the redevelopment for some reason.

We do not know how she came to stay in that apartment - like was Bitna always staying there or Justicia had to take the apartnment cause of her overspend? I do not recall.

But if Bitna was already staying there - then maybe she was against the redevelopment and while she must have joined hands with Assemblyman and sons at some point of time - for this she must have put her foot down.
Which is why she was killed by them - but then cause she had previously done some sins - or rather collaborated - she was put into hell.

So she was in hell - just the wrong kind, like you shared.

3) but can you share more on the fake hell - I want to understand this one more. Like I said I love long explanations - so if you have time, please do share what are you thinking when sharing about this concept.

I love long answers - and thanks for taking the time to share your theories. I love it - personally gunning for a happy ending, but the other one is more realistic/logical though it will make me immensely sad.

Or the fact that they will give a sad open-ending for Season 2 - that is also something I do not want cause I like my drama shows to be short and crisp, without the long waiting period.

Let's see - love the fact that the show is so exciting for you as well :)
Will come back and discuss when it all ends :)

1) Does anyone else feel Serial Killer J is going to be Satan?
2) Could Arong be just be a demon who is very strict with following the rules laid out for her - or there could be more - like being a sidekick of Satan? Is she just serving a punishment as human + additional task of rounding up demons who have gone astray as per Bael's or Lucifer's instruction as she let the human Bitna get away somehow OR she really is Satan's follower?
3) What happened to human Bitna? Where is she - in hell or has she escaped?
4) Who could have stabbed human Bitna - I feel it could be Son #1 or #2 of the Assemblyman, or Assemblyman himself - but why? Or was it Serial Killer J / Satan himself?
5) How will it all end - will Justicia go back to hell or stay human?

After Ep 8 - I have the following questions, Adding them as first comment under spoiler tag.
Want to know what others think!

Finally they have joined hands 🤝❤️
This is going to more badass for the sinners but then I am hoping for a happy ending for the leads (please writers 🙏🏼)

I have had other friends on MDL who recommended this drama to me share the same thing, when I pointed out that I cannot get into this drama cause I cannot understand this romance and the FL's delivery of it. But then if this is the case - then the screenplay is wrong, because the drama does not focus on this confusion, rather it is taking majority of the audience to focus on the "cute moments, the heart fluttering kisses and situations, the good looks of the couple"

I admit I have not completed the drama but I have seen majority of it - and no where are these things being questioned by any character, to the point that it also makes the audience aware.

In your other comment you have mentioned that "Hollywood has been using movies and TV shows as a way to promote social change and question the morality of something for years. Why can't Asian dramas do the same?" I think there are Asian dramas that do question and promote some social changes - just that this drama probably is not good example.

I usually do not watch C-dramas, cause somehow am not able to get into it. RESET has been the only exception, so much so that it has made to my Top 10 dramas of all time.

This drama has always been highly recommended on MDL and social media - and while I was not truly excited by the story summary - I decided to give it a try myself. I tried and tried multiple times to watch but ended up putting on hold and finally dropping it some months ago.

Today again I thought of picking it up and came across your review and you've rightly pointed out everything that I have felt this drama is lacking and therefore I am unable to understand the hype.
Especially the FL's baby voice+acting plus the fact that how is this considered an epic romance, where all they had were cute moments/kisses without the deep conversation or anything else. They just randomly thought and fell in love - seemed very weird to me.

And going by the comments seems like am not the only one - there are a lot of people who felt happy watching it, but then it does not connect with all due to some fundamental weak points in story and acting.