Ok.. with all the respect. May I know what is the big fuss and hype about? I'm stuck after 3 eps and can't go…
If you've watched the trailer, then you know the genre. Contract marriage, love-hate stuff, convenient supernatural power. You expect what this well-trodden genre can possibly offer. Tbh, I didn't expect much watching the trailer, it was going to be my lazy guilty pleasure, but it turned out to be surprisingly fun. I like the leads a lot and the comedy is pretty much top notch. The thriller side isn't too shabby either. It's an easy watch. There was another one this year called 'my lovely liar' - that one sucked due to bad chemistry and mediocre ending. Here the leads are fun. Their comedic timing and expression pay off imo. It's not a masterpiece but I'm hooked and that's an accomplishment.
Dang...I liked his indifference. It was cute when he said he likes Dodohee (this is a freaking cute name btw) in the restaurant. I can't take the cringe when they look at each other and say each other's name for no reason-_-
The older son's son killed the grandma. He's mentally sick and that's the secret. Grandma must be responsible for Dodohee's parents' death somehow, and the red necked psychopath and serial killer is somehow tied to that. I'd be disappointed if the nephew is also cooking something - he's a perfect double bluff. I love the comedy in this show, I hope Jungguwon never becomes serious or get smitten.
I actually liked LJG's version of Eun Seom, they always indicated he could become someone shrewder but SJK's version was always so one dimensionally good, I could never understand the part where he'd say that all that chaos was somehow fun🙄 Saya was the one who had no resemblance and somehow had no growth in 8 years; he didn't learn to fight, lost all political ambition, regressed into a pathetic manchild...idk. The plot is literal trash, I bet they had no framework as to how their protagonists would be like in 8 years. They paused the show on a big moment...how'd Saya react to Tanya's secret, we're not only robbed off that but also made to swallow that he just got on with Tanya's plan of finding his brother and also that he couldn't, in 8 years, with all that dreams...-_- And SJK's Saya had a childishness, his need for Tanya's love never felt as weird as LJG's, he couldn't figure out in 8 years that he doesn't stand a chance and broke into fits of sobs in front of her...and god! did I want to kill her-_-
Also I bet Saya was supposed to get that Igutu nation to help in the final battle against Tagon, but they just got greedy for a new season. Three of them have their own powers, yet Saya's gets shelved for a future project, when the prophecy is all done and dusted...who cares about what he does now?-_- (sorry for the late reply)
So, exactly why did Tanya need to do all that before Inaishingi reached the city? If he got in first she could've…
Yeah. He literally had no part in bringing Tagon down (even Arok came walking to him like a free prize), he kept getting beaten up and people kept saving him. Also LJG's version of Saya is too sobby, I still liked him when he could act evil or sad but mostly he was just throwing tantrums and plotting nothing. What was mirror's part in the play except for 'literally' mirroring EunSeom's face to Tagon? Nothing-_- I kept reeling in frustration for a week after finishing.
yeah they are just people with cptsd lol but then, true psychopath is a caricature. it's not real. there isn't…
Except for the head of the hospital, everyone was very ready to villainize her. Especially Gung Tae. Also I'm not sure if she was really diagnosed in the show, they (mainly the old doc of course) just helped her in a very indirect, manipulative way, I'd say.
For me Tan Ya in the second season was not as awesome as Tan ya (actress) in the first season.
'Not as awesome' is being kind, she was freaking terrible. In front of Jun Gi her expressionless acting just brought down the entire plot around their supposed eternal love. She looked fine just once when she was tied and put on the gate for Eun Seom to see. I hoped they'd push her off the parapet and end my misery-_-
yeah they are just people with cptsd lol but then, true psychopath is a caricature. it's not real. there isn't…
No 100% of course, but these are like characters who are practically good. You gotta do something bad that hurts people and is disproportionate to be this feared. It's annoying. Psychopath isn't a term that you just throw around unless that is explicitly the intent.
I'm watching Time between Dog and Wolf and I'm almost torn how LJG is always paired with annoying female leads, they either lack in character development or just can't act. Flower of Evil has to be the only drama where I appreciated the female counterpart. Arthdal Chronicles sucked cz SSK can't act at all, Lawless Lawyer didn't allow the romantic relation time to grow, Scholar Who Walks the Night probably has the most annoying female lead ever, I liked Arang a lot but the plot massacred her in the end. He deserves better. A good script for god's sake...how hard can that be?-_-
It was pretty awful even with those veteran actors giving their all. Can't imagine what it will be without even…
Idk what's so intriguing about that. I wasn't hiding my frustration. But your dismissing every critique as 'wanting to write 'their' own story' certainly is. Of course, everyone is free to like anything, but I find it odd when they butt in to discredit other's dislike.
So, exactly why did Tanya need to do all that before Inaishingi reached the city? If he got in first she could've…
It shouldn't be difficult. But you asked how Tanya can alone stop the poisoning, which I answered. That guard was literally standing in front of the shrine when Tanya was pleading to Tagon (which was never gonna work). And he's not even any trusted ally of Tagon, she should've told him to stop the poison being spilled, it's an entire city Tagon's destroying, where this guy's family live. Or are you saying he loves Tagon more than his family? And why would Tanya use Arok? I said nothing of this sort. Saya HAD Arok, so my point was that the first thing he should do is ask Tagon to drop everything from his hands that can be used as a weapon. If he didn't think of that, he should've at least stopped him when he started ringing the bells. Anyone who knows even one bit of Tagon should know that that ringing was not him playing with the bells🙄even more so Saya. And if they tried and failed I wouldn't mind but none of them even thought about it, especially Eun Seom who literally forgot even though Mungtae told him, he should've sent someone to check the perimetre. And those Ago people knew she's at the shrine, they didn't need to save her but for the sake of their Inaishingi, some of them could check out the place, who knows what Tagon is plotting, probably planning to take their leader with him like a spiteful man. In a war zone people must think of these. Or they're just stupid or dumbed down to fit the dumb plot.
First of all, you're the one who claimed Saya was the weaker one since season 1. I only said how I don't like his portrayal as the weaker one or his easy annoyance and anger about EunSeom. Saya has never gotten any of the things EunSeom did and had a mentality to plot to get that, then again there was only one thing that he ever genuinely wanted - Tanya. So, what I didn't like is his propensity to care so much about how EunSeom is winning, how he lost, tbh though even if he's not a good fighter his war plans should be good, in 8 years he didn't learn anything real aside from the book? And Tagon sending him was on whimsy, a test for his heirdom and bcz Tagon himself didn't want to leave the castle. But he could betray EunSeom (the idea of misleading his people pretending to be him should've come to him), could damage the Ago tribe, I mean to say that he was just pretending to help his brother is just delusional. He knew he was always more at risk of death than his brother and was repeatedly attacked and was eventually caught by Tagon. And he's one of the first to know of Tanya's mind reading power, he had to know that Tanya knew of his plans (smth that turns them into really no plans at all). And Idk why you're going on about Saya vs EunSeom. But calling EunSeom a go getter and Saya lazy is the laziest description that there can be. EunSeom had a mother who loved him for 8 smth years, he lived with people who were simple and friendly and most of all, he had Tanya. Saya was locked up in the Hae workshop, he was brought up by a child spy, never loved, never adored, he was taught how hated Igutus are in Arthdal, his lover was killed in cold blood. He never had free access to move (anyone sees his blood, he's dead) but apparently he loved convoluted plans. Now the plot is fucking bad bcz it shows him as not so good at making plans for someone who loves it, this 'more naive but deadly nonetheless' thing worked in the first season bcz he was only 20 and never saw the outside of his tower and other people, but after 8 years of being with the king, he seems to have deteriorated. Now the problem is that the show never got to explore how he took the news of the existence of his twin, other than as an utter heartbreak, and that strains the plot this season. And you say he didn't get back at the killer of the girl he loved, he did the unthinkable, he killed Tagon's brother to take Tagon away from Taealha, now that's revenge. Haetuk the killer is only a pawn, and he knows that. He was very good at being ominous, he threatened Tanya quite a few times, his love was more veiled (now Tanya made it seem like she shared the dreams with Saya, no wonder he fell for her, this is the girl who he loves in his dreams where he's free...I'd say that's pretty fucking compelling). Anyways, that mad scary Saya is gone with SJK, who also wasn't so predictable. That was my point. I like Saya bcz he's mischevious, bcz he likes violence, confusion but underneath it all he is just an abandoned kid.
You seem to have produced your comparison to show how EunSeom is better. But all he wanted was to beat Tagon and get Tanya and that's like the most tedious plotpoint (which makes sense, so I'm grateful-_-). LJG greatly improves him by bringing a different shade to him (now this is a guy who grew in 8 years, evolved), but he's still the simplest character. Saya wanted to come out as an Igutu, be accepted by people and to him it's only possible if he is the king and people fears him. Unfortunately his dad isn't so easy to manipulate and the girl he loves does not want what he wants. Things were never gonna go his way, and I thought he was aware of that, I mean he probably was but the way he broke into tears, felt lesser than EunSeom on a daily basis was too much for me. His jealosy, I get. EunSeom is practically taking away everything he ever wanted, what I don't like is how obvious he makes it. And if you think Saya wanting to use Ekand to get Arthdal is proof of him not being a 'doer' whatever that may be🙄, then you may have missed how EunSeom used Ago tribe to get Arthdal.
It's beyond what our little brains can comprehend-_- They fight when they don't need to, they are together when…
It is supposed to be a doomed relationship. They love the cynic in each other or so they claim but mostly they understand betrayal and neglect from close family. They sympathise with each other's tragic obsession for power which leaves them doubting each other. That's the theme they are going for but plot wise it does not hold, like so many other things in this show (I mean it doesn't hold IN ANY WAY, except for their brilliant acting which is so wasted in this absolutely badly written show).
And SJK's Saya had a childishness, his need for Tanya's love never felt as weird as LJG's, he couldn't figure out in 8 years that he doesn't stand a chance and broke into fits of sobs in front of her...and god! did I want to kill her-_-
Also I bet Saya was supposed to get that Igutu nation to help in the final battle against Tagon, but they just got greedy for a new season. Three of them have their own powers, yet Saya's gets shelved for a future project, when the prophecy is all done and dusted...who cares about what he does now?-_-
(sorry for the late reply)
I kept reeling in frustration for a week after finishing.
And why would Tanya use Arok? I said nothing of this sort. Saya HAD Arok, so my point was that the first thing he should do is ask Tagon to drop everything from his hands that can be used as a weapon. If he didn't think of that, he should've at least stopped him when he started ringing the bells. Anyone who knows even one bit of Tagon should know that that ringing was not him playing with the bells🙄even more so Saya.
And if they tried and failed I wouldn't mind but none of them even thought about it, especially Eun Seom who literally forgot even though Mungtae told him, he should've sent someone to check the perimetre. And those Ago people knew she's at the shrine, they didn't need to save her but for the sake of their Inaishingi, some of them could check out the place, who knows what Tagon is plotting, probably planning to take their leader with him like a spiteful man. In a war zone people must think of these. Or they're just stupid or dumbed down to fit the dumb plot.
And Idk why you're going on about Saya vs EunSeom. But calling EunSeom a go getter and Saya lazy is the laziest description that there can be. EunSeom had a mother who loved him for 8 smth years, he lived with people who were simple and friendly and most of all, he had Tanya. Saya was locked up in the Hae workshop, he was brought up by a child spy, never loved, never adored, he was taught how hated Igutus are in Arthdal, his lover was killed in cold blood. He never had free access to move (anyone sees his blood, he's dead) but apparently he loved convoluted plans. Now the plot is fucking bad bcz it shows him as not so good at making plans for someone who loves it, this 'more naive but deadly nonetheless' thing worked in the first season bcz he was only 20 and never saw the outside of his tower and other people, but after 8 years of being with the king, he seems to have deteriorated. Now the problem is that the show never got to explore how he took the news of the existence of his twin, other than as an utter heartbreak, and that strains the plot this season.
And you say he didn't get back at the killer of the girl he loved, he did the unthinkable, he killed Tagon's brother to take Tagon away from Taealha, now that's revenge. Haetuk the killer is only a pawn, and he knows that. He was very good at being ominous, he threatened Tanya quite a few times, his love was more veiled (now Tanya made it seem like she shared the dreams with Saya, no wonder he fell for her, this is the girl who he loves in his dreams where he's free...I'd say that's pretty fucking compelling). Anyways, that mad scary Saya is gone with SJK, who also wasn't so predictable. That was my point. I like Saya bcz he's mischevious, bcz he likes violence, confusion but underneath it all he is just an abandoned kid.
You seem to have produced your comparison to show how EunSeom is better. But all he wanted was to beat Tagon and get Tanya and that's like the most tedious plotpoint (which makes sense, so I'm grateful-_-). LJG greatly improves him by bringing a different shade to him (now this is a guy who grew in 8 years, evolved), but he's still the simplest character. Saya wanted to come out as an Igutu, be accepted by people and to him it's only possible if he is the king and people fears him. Unfortunately his dad isn't so easy to manipulate and the girl he loves does not want what he wants. Things were never gonna go his way, and I thought he was aware of that, I mean he probably was but the way he broke into tears, felt lesser than EunSeom on a daily basis was too much for me. His jealosy, I get. EunSeom is practically taking away everything he ever wanted, what I don't like is how obvious he makes it.
And if you think Saya wanting to use Ekand to get Arthdal is proof of him not being a 'doer' whatever that may be🙄, then you may have missed how EunSeom used Ago tribe to get Arthdal.