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Whats new? U being encountered a person who says rape can't happen between people who are married/ in relationship??? I see that everyday. Coming from a country where marital rape is not a crime. This kind of comments is not new to me. That clearly shows lack of awareness in society regarding this topic.

Accountability yes. Say it louder. It would be best if lufeng would have gone to jail then authors gave a relatively Happy ending( together or seprated). That's why I said this show never let u breathe and give time to characters to let go and then decide whether u truly want them after individualistic growth and healing.

Xiao chen is spineless??? Nahh. He is toxic.just in diff way.

To my shore hits different because fan xiao redemption and his jail serving part and letting go of you shulang. U know that script was written by a person who understand the depth. Here. I just know that this work depicts " as long as there is love u can have heavy topics but still go back" ( FYI- in novel, lufeng never was portrayed as sick so if even mental sickness can't make me understand one action i.e. Rape u know the flaw in writing)

NC is not main driving factor here for me to watch story. Mine was clearly this series portrayed toxicity sooo well that I just never want to encounter a lover like lufeng or yichen. Period.

But NC scenes specially in this series is good. When they were in School days. Their kisses were soft. Then after separation I can see passion and love in touch and kisses. In black flag era( not rape scenes, it would be inhumane for me to analyse that) but one time when yichen also gave in. That time lufeng's kisses were passionate, possessive, obsession, dominance, claiming a person , sense of missing a person was there. I felt it. In hospital treatment scenes, yichen's kisses were assuring that he is there for lufeng. So tender.

So if u give me that level of NC scenes where a character's feeling is out and it changes the relationship of the two i don't mind it.( Eg- that black flag era intimate scene, it was clear that lufeng's deep kisses and his calling xiao chen...xiao chen in yearning made yichen also let down his guard. That time he was willing to forgive, changing dynamic through intimacy) Yes then bring it on. Make acting and chemistry and story of that level.

We are adults here. So i have long past the stage where NC means lust, sex, desire. I came to the stage of understanding how a touch can express feelings of what's inside the characters heart.

And agreed. If one likes toxic dramas doesn't mean u can watch anything. Because story needs to touch ur heart to stay with u right? Otherwise we drama lovers don't watch a story for fun. We look for story which connects with us.stays with us. So subjective matter.

This is going to be long.

Let's be honest here. Now a days almost 80-90percent dramas have NC scenes. While i will not completely agree with u but I don't disagree. If there is no truth in this then I don't know why actors in their promotion or fan meet kiss each other and why lots of clips with NC scenes were posted on insta or yt shots.

But what I would say to u is that not all BL watchers are here for NC scenes. Some really want a good plot and acting. Otherwise dramas like Peach lover, My Stubborn, Playboy would be highest rated dramas of all the time. But u see we have dramas like ticket to heaven, when oranges fall, to my shore also being popular( who has good storyline).

While i don't disagree with the fact that writing is bad. Because u can't just throw sensitive and serious issues like SA, kidnapping, abandonment,homophobic, bipolar disorder and handle it poorly. But we need to acknowledge one fact that in this show atleast they acknowledged that if lufeng would not be having mental sickness and underwent treatment( different from source material i.e. novel) people will not accept it.
Somewhere, i think it has to do with the fact that source material is old and was written long back when the idea of consent was not loud and love wins all idea was popular no matter the toxicity.

The acting part is true. Ayden is a very good actor. The only actor whose feelings I was able to see in series whether morally correct or not separate thing. But i can see his emotions in acting is what matters to me.

The fact that u literally enjoyed "To my shore" because there despite toxicity is well handled. Not that fan xiao is less toxic. Also "to my shore" gives cooling off period to both characters and viewers to let go of each other, grow as an individual and then take informed and well awared decision to go back. It feels complete and valid whereas " Double Helix" never give their characters and the viewers the time to breathe and heal. Adding mixed feelings.

Now coming to the fact whether this is a good toxic show or not. I would say yes. It is. Imo. Because despite everything I was truly taken aback by the factor that a character can be this toxic. And still u feel for him for his school days/ younger version. Majority of credit goes to Ayden because he was able to show u the exact sunshine smile boy who has hope in love. Story kept telling that rape and imprisonment is wrong with cinematography and props. I think this story actually traumatised me in a way that i am still in dilemma about how i should feel about this drama.

Now last thing. I watched this drama because I love emotional turmoil. I exactly like the drama which gives me a complete roller coaster ride. Having characters that are grey. Like Fan xiao.Like Lufeng ( he was rapist but even before that he was just a boy in love in school time before their first time).

Liking a drama is a subjective thing. Like i don't like revenged love but it's a massive hit.

And isn't exactly we need to do in a drama? Where characters are more than one label. But seriously since day 1 here either in reviews or comments analysing each character and understanding the characters pain means romanticisation of rape. 🥲. I am just glad that someone also feels exactly the same as me.

Ikr. This is what I am saying since day 1. That I know the series is toxic bl. It is marketed like that. Lufeng is marketed like toxic ml. We need to expect his black flag actions in series. It comes down to the fact that how story handles SA, and whether show is not romanticising these acts. That's what we can expect. Again happy and sad ending depends on how series deal with characters and story but story already said that lufeng is sick and he needs treatment and even before that he suffered by loosing yichen again and again because of whatever reasons. His toxicity is visible and loud so everyone pointed it out.

But yichen???? His toxicity is silent. Imagine a person who never gives u preference. No priority. No communication. Ghosting. U never know where u stand with this person. U never know when he can leave without saying which was shown in series. But did anyone pointed out that?? I don't understand his sacrifices and his responsibilities. Because if he truly cared about people around him he would see that he is hurting not only him but lufeng also because of his choices. But did anyone pointed out that? Continuous on and off relationship. Imbalance in emotional efforts and actions in a relationship always hurt the person who is ready to give in all. Lufeng hurted by yichen's abandonment. And he later became the version of himself which no one expected.

I don't understand is it only me who think wait yichen is also toxic? And he is not simply a victim? Wait lufeng is also the person who loved deeply and ready to fight? And not simply a perpetrator? Because i get it lufeng's action is no where near to yichen's toxicity. But for god sake even yichen is toxic.

I will not want a partner like both lufeng and yichen in real life. Both loved each other and both hurt each other. Simple.

In ep13, why zhang hailou can't understand that southern archives is a secret organisation and to not let outsiders in. Didn't he not learnt his lesson even after loosing haixia??

I did tried long back. But then life happened and I forgot it completely. Same with When destiny brings the demon- long for fish. I actually watched that drama for almost 26-27 ep then again went busy with life.

Sometimes I feel MDL is useful in terms of the fact that now i don't need to utilise my memory to remember how many ep i have completed of which drama 😅.

But splendid match is relatively good this year imo.

No argument here. Because I agree. I feel it more for xianxia. Not a single good xianxia these past 3 years when I am huge xianxia fan.

Liking drama is subjective. But I agree with u on POJ and TFJ. Even though i am a girl I still didn't liked POJ.

Maybe for me Nanyang Mystery is different. I recently finished very toxic drama and I need some time to cool off with same emotional turmoil so here this drama worked for me. It also depends on the factor of mental state of viewer while watching drama.

I also checked out the shared universe or sequels of this drama and tbh the production quality in this drama is actually much better maybe because this is 2026 drama and those are old drama?

Yes

In ep7, zhang haixia what possessed him? His demeanor got completely changed. He looks like a monster. And the gap between zhang hailou and zhang haixia is widening both wanting to save each other but doing things independently.

Ding yu xi what an acting. His acting improved so much from love game in eastern fantasy.

But why he wanted to die? Even zhang salty didn't had anything to hold on. Both are having names that contain "hai" so both are parted from their family or lost their family is what my belief is( as mentioned when they named zhang haijou). If i just ignore zhang hailou personality all he has is zhang haixia and their shifu. Same like haixia. So does that mean zhang hailou didn't mean that much to him as he meant to hailou? Or did something that bad happened in past in xiacheng that he has no will to live or go back whatsoever. And just save his only person whom he truly care i e. Zhang hailou with his life?

In ep3, it hurts me every time zhang haixia says zhang hailou to go back alone or investigate alone. They were together all these years and suddenly now they have to part ways whenever any physical labour required. Haixia don't want to be burden and hold back hailou. Hailou can't leave him. He has guilt that because of him haixia legs are in this condition. But the way hailou always says i will not go to xiacheng without u and instead keep investigating case by being close to haixia shows that they are each other's family. My heart breaks whenever I see haixia having a sense of crying whenever he is left alone in investigation.

I wonder what hiaxia is thinking. Why he don't want back to xiacheng. Because that's where both hailou and haixia met and their hometown. I wonder what and how things will take turn when they will know that their master is in deep trouble and they have lost lot of their southern archives fellow partners.

Why I didn't watched this series before. It's soo good

Does hai xia legs ever get cured?

Whenever I read the name xiao ge it remind me of the drama "xiao ge" which will never release.

But how is it? She said its not good and also lot of people commented about disappointment. I was thinking to try but after these idk

https://youtu.be/frFunj3efiM?si=AdYRKY53ZnqD4dRi

Story is very engaging so i would recommend to not watch till ep20 airs otherwise with one ep per day schedule you will be suffering like us.

Agreed her position about her being in dilemma. And can I blame her for using ML to get close to her mother for money? No. Because anyone would do that to save her loved one. The only person she can truly call her as family.

In second para, u said that she break promise because she cares for him. While i don't agree with u completely i don't disagree with u also. She cares for lu xi xiao that's why she always ques herself "will this hurt him? And i am sorry" but she also break promise for money. There was point where she deleted lu xi xiao contact in wechat upon her mother's condition. But she then again approached him not because of genuine care but because she got to know that her mother lied about money and she again want to use him to get back on her mother for treatment money.
This leads me to the ques- is relationship between Zhou wan and lu xi xiao genuine? No entirely. How much of this relationship ( whatever they feel towards each other)is actually true? Not everything is fake but not everything is actually true.

Very respectfully i will disagree on one point. Being away for so many years after being abandoned sure that will lead a child think that he/ she don't have mother and if back she can't claim her motherly rights over the child specially when that child is now 18. But she will still remain her biological mother.

The fact that Guo is not married to Lu is a very valid point and tbh a relief that the story is not step brother step sister based. But whenever she claims to the world that she is her mother. That's where things get complicated. The whole story is just come to the point if Guo will get married or not. If yes then Zhou wan and lu xi xiao relationship will actually become step brother and sister. If not( which i want, although as a character it will be hard for her mother as she invested so much in relationship and waiting for so many years for marriage) then this makes story out of the label of incest.

Now my major problem is that what Zhou wan thinks of lu xi xiao. She truly cares for him. But does she consider him as friend or lover. Idk. Because her actions seems more like friend. This whole situation from ep6-8 where she is calling him "gege" and the whole family thinking that they will be living like brother- sister is what off putting for me. In this case i just get confused as a viewer what characters are feeling and at what stage their relationship is.
Eg- when Zhou wan said she has god mother. Lu xi xiao was hurt because he loved her and can't accept her as family/ sister. But when Zhou wan was saying she is hurting lu xi xiao, from what position she is saying this? As a friend/ lover/ acquaintance what?
Their relationship was and still is based on approaching with other intention( hurting ML at some point because of whatever reason) and just on and off situation. So i don't think feelings as genuine from Zhou wan side.