No way. Writing using AI? I mean aiding to correct grammatical mistakes is ok but this is next level.
Writers forgot that they need to embody emotions of characters and events which an AI can't do. Plus the writer also never put efforts. Because she/ he clearly have no understanding of chronological order of things. She/ he repeats things that was already said. Characters are mess and all over place. No idea about story or even broad framework in mind. Otherwise script wouldn't be so bad. Even with AI.
I haven't worked in marketing directly but I have worked in different mobile network compnaies many of which had…
Because logic is missing there. It makes no sense. Afterall its Lime where clients are coming. I mean internally diff proposals for same client in healthy manner is good. But this is diff. 🤣
Even Luke who is top level management boss is doing this. And even aware of this. But goes around and say about u are not suitable. I mean here clearly logic left the drama and I am not complaining. It means i can also throw away my brain while watching drama and save it for better use.
relationship dynamics are all different, but personally my partner and I would have just started laughing if we…
This drama lacks charm. I mean realistic stories can be having charm. I can watch this drama and forget it. It's not going to keep me feel remembered by its story. Maybe it's just me. I am spellbounded by cdramas to the core that even sitting till ep2 of a kdrama means a wow factor to me.
But in all due respect. There is no harm in chasing spark. But her chasing spark is diff. She thinks that's how love should be. I mean people do fall in love all over again with their partner and find passion but it's not in the process of taking lantern and find it. It might be a moment, event or just a thought or maybe just realisation and appreciation of presence. She is seeking diff. Maybe it's a mix of everything. Her career life is the anchor. If that is ok she feels ok with relationship otherwise it's not. But is it only that? Or deep down this story is saying something diff?
Why these days kdrama fall short in terms of deep message it wants to convey. There was once a time where stories like that were made. Like "Something in the rain".
What i am also looking from this drama? Idk. Maybe a factor that her character growth will hold me. I was more of the plot person rather than character driven story person. But recently one drama made me feel that why people root and cry for their characters. For hours. That story was also realistic but something that is etched in my heart.
Now that i realise while typing this text, deep down i am looking for a story which completely gets etched in my heart. It's characters, plot and sensitivity touch my soul...and this drama is not that. It's mediocre in terms of that.
Anyways it was nice talking to u. I genuinely felt light while talking to u.
I am in ep6 so which ep u are talking about? As in ep4 it was mutual consent. And there is no tag of sexual harrasment…
The drama wants to say it is wrong. What ML did is wrong and what FL did is also not totally innocent. -- i am glad that it's shown in that way. Because I watched till ep6 and since it was not potrayed like that till now so i am under the above impression. This as u are saying will be said in later ep. Waiting for it.
It's so messed up, exhausting yet attractive in a strange way. -- not there yet. Tension will build more on their relationship era. I am assuming.
That's what I am thinking. This is not reality. Ig what op is trying to say that in drama it's all good but in real life it's s big no no. But again if things are based on consent no matter fiction or reality is not harassment.
ML is kinda say something feel something else person. He clearly like Flora. But the way he speaks makes things worse. It gives the idea that ok I want this relationship but in reality both want...but the story itself has said in theme song. " You don't have to be perfect to be worthy of love." Because in ideal world love should be accepted as a person who u are and ready to improve. U can't stay in love if one doesn't want to improve. So character growth is needed.
Ig FL also wants both. He wants relationship with Luke but since he can't give that she is ready to compromise. So her mindset of self worth is not strong. She faces lot of oh u are not good. Oh u are still learning which further impacts her self worth in her mind. But she also is aware that i want to keep this job where senior junior relationship is prohibited..she didn't set rules. Luke did. And i don't blame him. But it arises conflict of interest clearly. This law is imp but with modification that no senior junior relationship should be entertained except the condition where one party is consenting. It's imp rule to protect employees only from harrasment, curry favour to get promotions and what not.
That's the dilemma. But if ML and FL come clear to each other that ok i do have feeling with u of love then whole office dynamics can be handled. Atleast they know each other feelings so inner conflict will not be there. The problem is misunderstanding between them...
Ah. After work also stating work place rules and ethics. 🤣
I am in ep6 so which ep u are talking about? As in ep4 it was mutual consent. And there is no tag of sexual harrasment…
About ep4 i am clear that was mutual consent as earlier Luke initiated and she resisted then she only initiated kiss. So no issue there.
While i remember in ep1 it was said that no relationship between junior and senior and he only broke that rule.
Flora is afraid of loosing job yes. And Luke sees this. But sleeping with him if they are consenting out of feelings then i don't see it as harassment.
What u are saying is that she keeps resisting him and goes secret as she don't want to loose job. And still sleeps with him. And he keep cornering her. I mean it u look that way then yes it counts as harassment. But i am not there yet to comment on this. Maybe in upcoming ep.
But Luke keep cornering her to keep her around is using his authorative position to do so which is wrong. Because in ep6 she was already out of his home and already half way but he used excuse, made her come back and then gave her files( which he can give in office), he told her to shower and have breakfast. That's wrong. Ideally if u don't want to pursue relationship then working off hours is wrong second using this authority to keep employee is wrong. But maybe Flora never objected or ques here that's why it's not seen in that way. Plus ig people never or ignored this authority usage as this is romance fantasy. To build up romance writers chose office work as interaction to do so.
And often if u see most of the romance stories has this problem that they use work as excuse to interact even in office hours to build this or some circumstance. Because that's not potrayed as abusing power and more like oh ML is just trying to keep her close. So romantic. It works only in fiction. But in real life yes it's an issue. Imagine after one night it was made clear to not be clingy and it was an accident and still kissing under alcohol influence. No matter the feelings it's wrong. Or senior always berating junior it's also a verbal abuse. Atleast in my workplace.
It all comes down to how one sees it. But i will not deny it that this series has no problem. It has. And to the point that I don't see ML as flawed character. As 28 year old u don't belittle anyone like this. It's superiority complex and egoistic behaviour. No one is perfect but calling rude is correct word and not flaw. Flaw is diff. Flaw is like what wei wuxian was. He was cheerful, playful, talented but also was little proud of his power. Or the girl from NES she was perfect example of flaw yet complex.
I also want to say: you know which couple of toxic AF? Zhang Ling He and Wang ChuRan in Overdo. They were SO bad…
I am in ep6 so which ep u are talking about? As in ep4 it was mutual consent. And there is no tag of sexual harrasment here. I mean i know this series has its problems but what u are saying is completely different level.
can someone who read the novel please explain what made Luke initially interested in Flora? was it purely physical…
I had the same ques. And someone said to me it was her perseverance to learn and improve. But novel readers are the one even I am searching for here. As i constantly need this as base to continue this drama.
What in the world is ep6 about? I mean how can there be a unhealthy competition and comparison between two teams from diff dept with same client about diff proposals? And no interchange of data is needed? Am I missing something or is this how marketing company works? I mean two team competing for same project which are in same company? How does that work?
relationship dynamics are all different, but personally my partner and I would have just started laughing if we…
I don't understand the point of spark. I mean ofcourse this is not ur first new love, first kiss, first to do everything thing. It clearly is 10 years relationship. Sparks are bound to fade. Doesn't mean u don't love each other. Means just now passion is replaced by calmness and maturity. Excitement is replaced by happiness.
Even if they find their spark then what after marriage of 10 years when they become 46,56? Do they go under divorce? I mean i find this is stupid.
But yes they do have some problems in their relationship. I would not say ML is completely good. He just don't understand how FL feels. His support and assurance makes her feel that she can't do anything. That time when he threw things and he met her she knew that he has thrown things and still saying he is worried about her. I mean is it comfortable? Or just a habit? Because how can it be possible to throw away 10 years of relationship and still just have momentarily rememberance of things and getting sad by it. I think it's also because they see each other daily. They don't feel separated much. They can see each other. For FL it's diff. She understands that what they had was clearly diff language of love and for her breakup is breakup...
Spark it is what she want. Idk how that can be possible. Tbh she actually is immature for a 36 year old woman.
It is great that you noticed it. I think it has a multipurpose. First of all, there is one fish that signifies…
Yeah. Looks like it states emotional state of ML. As in ep6 starting, he was seeing one white fish and poking it at a place where it is. And fish just gets away from that place and accidentally he fell fish food all over the place.
That scene told me something was depicted. Maybe it's like ML saying harsh words but he wanted FL to be closer to him...and before that he knew he messed things up.
But i maybe thinking too much here. Haha.
Btw I read ur typewriter symbolism and I liked it very much. Thanks for posting that.
I think the FL is actually the one more in love here. She noticed that the guy wasn't as into it even though he…
She even said i don't want to hate u and I don't want to be hated. It's better to break up. As to her, she better leave this relationship as beautiful one rather than them seeing hating on each other as how can u bear to hate one u love? But ML is opposite. He wants to be with her but can hate her or be hated by her. It's like her being with him matters to him.
Also after break up she was crying a lot here and there and she even told SML to not insult ML but ML literally threw lots of things to dustbin. Although it's normal in breakup phase but he was able to do so.
I don't think like 60% of the people in this comment section (Luke defenders) know what complexity in character…
U are criticising right? Because I am not seeing Luke as flawed character here. Clearly. He throws insult to the Flora like nothing. Since ep1 am seeing this. If his behaviour comes out of a bad past then why to even indulge with people? And if not then he is...............
Same thing happened in Lighter and Princess where ML was actually bad to this friends and has ego but he never improved till last ep ended. So whole series ended and he never improved.
I am at the phase where they are starting relationship. But it's already bad. I hope he talk nicely to her.
Ep5, Luke is so unaware/ aware that his much his words can hurt someone. I mean who says that? U purposely left ur bag in my place so that I come back to u? I mean whos she? Didn't he already understood what she is type of? She is too innocent to think like this. He directly went to physical relationship just based on attraction? And making claims like this? Ofcourse one will think it's an accident let's say on own so that he don't think i am clingy type. When she was literally thinking of being in relationship. She thought of confession.
And instead of saying sorry just gift new bag? Seriously? Ofcourse she will push back harder saying she don't want this. First he insults then brings luxury items. Do he thinks that emotional hurt can be compensated by bags? No. A heartfelt sorry is what is needed. Seriously.
Obviously Flora will be hurt and confused. Luke needs to work more on his EQ.
So there was indeed once a girl who did opened up to him. Turned to him when she needed comfort. And ML also understood her without saying anything. She could blabber anything and he still understood her. She used to take his advice and act on it. I wonder what changed now?
Was it the realisation that she is not going anywhere with herself?Or is it because both's career was hopeful?Or there was really something that ML stop doing it. And their relationship came to this point? Or is it the mix of both? I guess while in their break up era they will meet diff people most probably SML and SFL and they realise that what they have and had was something no one can give them. But i really want story to explore more about their issues and not just healing, character development and coming back to each other.
Till now, it's a good series for me. I mean i was able to watch 2 ep without much effort which i have forgotten since I switched to cdramas. So for me this is still till now a good series.
What's wrong in predicting how things will work based on 2 ep? Isn't this curiosity? Oh I think it will happen…
😑 but it's not cheating trope. If anyone already has rated it before watching I guess it's better for them to drop the series for their sanity and have a people who want to discuss more about plot and characters.
Like I get ur point about complex FL. Some people look for escapism through drama. Sorry this drama doesn't deliever it. Some looks for fluff sorry this is not that drama. Simple. So some people actually don't want to deal with complex characters. Again rate and drop in that case. Or accept the fact that this drama is not that type. Atleast after that people here can focus more on plot? Or discuss flaws and discourse after watching? Let's wait.
That couple engagement game where heartbeat was the game they were playing....that can actually hurt. I mean imagine u see someone u love and u feel nothing but calmness? I mean yes that means that u are comfortable with them. But too much comfortable that even looking at each other's eyes even after 10 years of relationship is actually hurtful.
I am not sure if people experience this level of stillness in their heart after long term relationship. Someone experienced has to tell me this.
Writers forgot that they need to embody emotions of characters and events which an AI can't do. Plus the writer also never put efforts. Because she/ he clearly have no understanding of chronological order of things. She/ he repeats things that was already said. Characters are mess and all over place. No idea about story or even broad framework in mind. Otherwise script wouldn't be so bad. Even with AI.
Even Luke who is top level management boss is doing this. And even aware of this. But goes around and say about u are not suitable. I mean here clearly logic left the drama and I am not complaining. It means i can also throw away my brain while watching drama and save it for better use.
But in all due respect. There is no harm in chasing spark. But her chasing spark is diff. She thinks that's how love should be. I mean people do fall in love all over again with their partner and find passion but it's not in the process of taking lantern and find it. It might be a moment, event or just a thought or maybe just realisation and appreciation of presence. She is seeking diff. Maybe it's a mix of everything. Her career life is the anchor. If that is ok she feels ok with relationship otherwise it's not. But is it only that? Or deep down this story is saying something diff?
Why these days kdrama fall short in terms of deep message it wants to convey. There was once a time where stories like that were made. Like "Something in the rain".
What i am also looking from this drama? Idk. Maybe a factor that her character growth will hold me. I was more of the plot person rather than character driven story person. But recently one drama made me feel that why people root and cry for their characters. For hours. That story was also realistic but something that is etched in my heart.
Now that i realise while typing this text, deep down i am looking for a story which completely gets etched in my heart. It's characters, plot and sensitivity touch my soul...and this drama is not that. It's mediocre in terms of that.
Anyways it was nice talking to u. I genuinely felt light while talking to u.
But totally agreed what u said.
Likewise it was nice talking to u as well.
It's so messed up, exhausting yet attractive in a strange way. -- not there yet. Tension will build more on their relationship era. I am assuming.
That's what I am thinking. This is not reality. Ig what op is trying to say that in drama it's all good but in real life it's s big no no. But again if things are based on consent no matter fiction or reality is not harassment.
ML is kinda say something feel something else person. He clearly like Flora. But the way he speaks makes things worse. It gives the idea that ok I want this relationship but in reality both want...but the story itself has said in theme song. " You don't have to be perfect to be worthy of love." Because in ideal world love should be accepted as a person who u are and ready to improve. U can't stay in love if one doesn't want to improve. So character growth is needed.
Ig FL also wants both. He wants relationship with Luke but since he can't give that she is ready to compromise. So her mindset of self worth is not strong. She faces lot of oh u are not good. Oh u are still learning which further impacts her self worth in her mind. But she also is aware that i want to keep this job where senior junior relationship is prohibited..she didn't set rules. Luke did. And i don't blame him. But it arises conflict of interest clearly. This law is imp but with modification that no senior junior relationship should be entertained except the condition where one party is consenting. It's imp rule to protect employees only from harrasment, curry favour to get promotions and what not.
That's the dilemma. But if ML and FL come clear to each other that ok i do have feeling with u of love then whole office dynamics can be handled. Atleast they know each other feelings so inner conflict will not be there. The problem is misunderstanding between them...
Ah. After work also stating work place rules and ethics. 🤣
While i remember in ep1 it was said that no relationship between junior and senior and he only broke that rule.
Flora is afraid of loosing job yes. And Luke sees this. But sleeping with him if they are consenting out of feelings then i don't see it as harassment.
What u are saying is that she keeps resisting him and goes secret as she don't want to loose job. And still sleeps with him. And he keep cornering her. I mean it u look that way then yes it counts as harassment. But i am not there yet to comment on this. Maybe in upcoming ep.
But Luke keep cornering her to keep her around is using his authorative position to do so which is wrong. Because in ep6 she was already out of his home and already half way but he used excuse, made her come back and then gave her files( which he can give in office), he told her to shower and have breakfast. That's wrong. Ideally if u don't want to pursue relationship then working off hours is wrong second using this authority to keep employee is wrong. But maybe Flora never objected or ques here that's why it's not seen in that way. Plus ig people never or ignored this authority usage as this is romance fantasy. To build up romance writers chose office work as interaction to do so.
And often if u see most of the romance stories has this problem that they use work as excuse to interact even in office hours to build this or some circumstance. Because that's not potrayed as abusing power and more like oh ML is just trying to keep her close. So romantic. It works only in fiction. But in real life yes it's an issue. Imagine after one night it was made clear to not be clingy and it was an accident and still kissing under alcohol influence. No matter the feelings it's wrong. Or senior always berating junior it's also a verbal abuse. Atleast in my workplace.
It all comes down to how one sees it. But i will not deny it that this series has no problem. It has. And to the point that I don't see ML as flawed character. As 28 year old u don't belittle anyone like this. It's superiority complex and egoistic behaviour. No one is perfect but calling rude is correct word and not flaw. Flaw is diff. Flaw is like what wei wuxian was. He was cheerful, playful, talented but also was little proud of his power.
Or the girl from NES she was perfect example of flaw yet complex.
Even if they find their spark then what after marriage of 10 years when they become 46,56? Do they go under divorce? I mean i find this is stupid.
But yes they do have some problems in their relationship. I would not say ML is completely good. He just don't understand how FL feels. His support and assurance makes her feel that she can't do anything. That time when he threw things and he met her she knew that he has thrown things and still saying he is worried about her. I mean is it comfortable? Or just a habit? Because how can it be possible to throw away 10 years of relationship and still just have momentarily rememberance of things and getting sad by it. I think it's also because they see each other daily. They don't feel separated much. They can see each other. For FL it's diff. She understands that what they had was clearly diff language of love and for her breakup is breakup...
Spark it is what she want. Idk how that can be possible. Tbh she actually is immature for a 36 year old woman.
That scene told me something was depicted. Maybe it's like ML saying harsh words but he wanted FL to be closer to him...and before that he knew he messed things up.
But i maybe thinking too much here. Haha.
Btw I read ur typewriter symbolism and I liked it very much. Thanks for posting that.
Also after break up she was crying a lot here and there and she even told SML to not insult ML but ML literally threw lots of things to dustbin. Although it's normal in breakup phase but he was able to do so.
Same thing happened in Lighter and Princess where ML was actually bad to this friends and has ego but he never improved till last ep ended. So whole series ended and he never improved.
I am at the phase where they are starting relationship. But it's already bad. I hope he talk nicely to her.
And instead of saying sorry just gift new bag? Seriously? Ofcourse she will push back harder saying she don't want this. First he insults then brings luxury items. Do he thinks that emotional hurt can be compensated by bags? No. A heartfelt sorry is what is needed. Seriously.
Obviously Flora will be hurt and confused. Luke needs to work more on his EQ.
Was it the realisation that she is not going anywhere with herself?Or is it because both's career was hopeful?Or there was really something that ML stop doing it. And their relationship came to this point? Or is it the mix of both? I guess while in their break up era they will meet diff people most probably SML and SFL and they realise that what they have and had was something no one can give them. But i really want story to explore more about their issues and not just healing, character development and coming back to each other.
Till now, it's a good series for me. I mean i was able to watch 2 ep without much effort which i have forgotten since I switched to cdramas. So for me this is still till now a good series.
Like I get ur point about complex FL. Some people look for escapism through drama. Sorry this drama doesn't deliever it. Some looks for fluff sorry this is not that drama. Simple. So some people actually don't want to deal with complex characters. Again rate and drop in that case. Or accept the fact that this drama is not that type. Atleast after that people here can focus more on plot? Or discuss flaws and discourse after watching? Let's wait.
I am not sure if people experience this level of stillness in their heart after long term relationship. Someone experienced has to tell me this.