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I just don't understand if not able to watch toxic series then why watch? And why in the world everytime u share opinion here people just ready to put labels on u that u are rape defender and what not. Seriously.

I made my MDL account just to express my views because I was not finding a place where people just share opinion and talk freely. But after seeing all these labels that I am this that. Omg. And just imposing ideas. It just made me rethink that why I even made MDL account. Because IRL also i am tired of these kind of person who are trying to impose their thoughts and opinions about something and here also.

Please don't preach me what rape is exactly. And do not preach me what it is all about. I know very well about that. I know it's about power. And u are talking about fiction here. Trust me I have heard brutal cases about rape in my real life as news unfortunately and the point of their preparator and have read lots of research papers about this. I have never said that he didn't raped him. I am not understanding why after 2mins everytime everyone just automatically assumed that I support lufeng actions. Since u mentioned it's about lufeng only. Yes it's about his selfish nature. But it is also about choosing each other. It's about revenge to leave him yes. But it is also about the showing pain he went through. If it's about lying and hiding about the brother's status it's also about him again not wanting to loosing yichen again. U wanna call it selfish go ahead. But his actions was not just selfish it has mix of other emotions as well. Imo one can't just focus only on one emotion of a character and think that all his behaviour comes from this. Lufeng is abusive for sure. I never denied that. Idk when and how u sensed that from any of my comments or any of my words. I have said it earlier that lufeng is abusive and is a criminal. But yichen is also toxic. The one who just run away from problems instead of facing them in a mature way. And please it's not only about the hospital and his mother. Also if lufeng wants to be with yichen in public then what's the problem here? Yichen also wanted that isn't he? Or he want to keep their relationship in dark? In that case just say simple. But if also wanted to let their relationship come out in public then why he never took any action for it? Again time and again why he went back to lufeng? When lufeng passed out at hospital yichen decided to be with him after raped at office. Then after 5 years why he went to lion's den himself? What he was expecting? Forgiveness after 5 years of ghosting? In office yichen already said that he is not interested in job. Then why again when lufeng wanted to talk about job he went to his house? It's his fault. He expected to explain things after 5 years. He expect lufeng to understand and forgive him. Why?

U are choosing and taking Yichen's side. For me both are toxic. I am not taking either side. Nor i do see their happy ending. It's a fictional toxic love story. With disclaimer. People here are well aware of what they are watching. And understand who is what. Whether lufeng or yichen..if you think that someone is defending lufeng actions please before attacking anyone understand full picture. U don't know me so please refrain urself in making statements on personal level. Reason being rape is a very sensitive topic and the very fact that whole comment section here is filled with this word concerns me. It actually shows the level of toxicity this drama has.

I truly never understood this. When i watched love syndrome 3 first I was like ok even I will behave like day towards itt.being pushy and all that when suddenly i don't even know the person who claims that we were in a good relationship and being clingy. I also genuinely thought that itt wants day to remember their past because their relationship was beautiful and that one reflection was day buying cake for itt and coming to itt after his call even during heavy rain. I was genuinely moved by that. But later i found that it's based on stockholm syndrome and then I was like how what and when. Never read novel and don't even want to i don't understand psychology behind Stockholm syndrome and it's hard for me to even digest the fact that u fell in love with someone who tortured u.

That's why I said he chose yichen because for him he can't just let go of yichen. He wants yichen at any form. When i said that lufeng imprisoned yichen's body but not heart means that it's easy to capture a person's human body form. It's a physical form u can imprison it. But u can't imprison a heart. For that it takes sincerity, love, efforts, communication, understanding, well being and care for that person. Which he didn't showed at that time after separation. Afterall there is a difference between living together and being together. By doing that lufeng kept yichen close to him but yichen was already distant with him. The more he was trying to grip on sand the more he was loosing yichen and his love. And that's why yichen didn't even hesitated when Zhou lan was asking him to leave. See the ans is in drama itself the reference to caged Bird. U love that bird, u fear that it will fly away because u have witnessed it and u want revenge so u took bird's freedom, caged him and torture him, always monitoring him, his actions. At the end the moment u open the cage the bird will fly because it want love and freedom.

Let me again tell u. You are u. They are they. Simple. U have right to share ur opinion. And tbh i somewhat get their point also. Lot of people do romanticise rape or physical abuse. Proof- thousands of fanfictions in YouTube or Wattpad story. Tbh one day I saw a FF written about " romance with lizard" and no i am not lying. 🤣 atleast we are not that twisted right. But basically they are teens whom people are trying to say ok this is not something that we should defend. But for pointing out fingers u need to be first wrong right. If they are not able to understand that you are genuinely not supporting his actions and just understand the characters and story and enjoy ur drama. Then who cares what they say? They don't even know u. To attack personally also they need to know u personally right. We are just passerby here. Again if u have a sense of setting wrong from right. Who cares? Even Galileo's opinion was not accepted at one point right. Just enjoy the series. And if still not working then create a safe space for urself where u can share ur opinion. Like diary or best chatgpt.

I would say that reminding of moral values is good so that no one forgets that this is not acceptable IRL but yeah everytime it gives the feeling that "are u telling me sick or having a person with screwed moral compass just because I am wanting to understand the pov of each character and have my own opinion".

But I would say this platform is also for them so let it be. Sometimes people are not in the understanding state of taking the fact that they can have different opinions about things and want to impose. We deal with people who are like this daily IRL so here also think like that.

Ur opinion is ur opinion and ur experience is ur experience. Why to ruin ur enjoyment because of someone else or a platform. Ig we are adult enough to not let things like this bother us. Otherwise we were not even watching this drama right.

Also remember u can't be alone here. Some people will relate to ur opinion and some oppose. But yes opposing also comes with limitations and not with constant reminder that u are sick when u are adult enough to separate wrong from right.

Remember it's integrity that matters not just having moral values and ethics.

Definitely not go for decision based on first few ep specially ep1 and 2. It's soo good, nice and makes u feel happy but after that it's even giving a hard time to me who can watch toxic dramas so well. For straight drama- dark romance. For Bl- love mechanics, to my shore, my stand in. But this one is tuffest of them. Every second of each ep later feels like an herculean task to watch the drama without feeling all kind of emotions in this world. Definitely don't go if u can't handle toxic dramas. Or if u want to watch just get idea from the movie by watching 5-6 frames. Although they have toned down a lot in drama but doing this will give u an idea that what u should expect from this drama.

Take care

Or just say lufeng chose to not let go of yichen. He chose yichen but not yichen's happiness. He imprisoned yichen's freedom and his body. But his heart he couldn't imprisoned. Ideally for romance isn't this opposite? It's like this because this is toxic love story. So toxic that it has become poisonous to both's soul and body.

Ig he kinda did that even for 5 mins in his life when lufeng passed out of tiredness and yichen came back running to hospital( this is after office rape scene, he himself came) and said that he wants to be together with lufeng. That's where ig lufeng asked him if he wants to be together because of yichen love him or is just because of his sympathy. He showed door to yichen that day. But yichen said i definitely not feel sympathy for u and then told him to take it slow. So yeah lufeng did gave yichen that option for 5 min. 😑😶

I write emotions in that depth because u wanted to know genuinely. 😅 I also have let my emotions overflow. Please read the spoiler tagged comment at ur own risk if u truly wants to get spoiled.

Read spoiler tagged comment only when u know story and know the novel. Otherwise please don't

In school days he fell for lufeng. Yichen was ready to give his all. Which he did. He fought with his family that time requesting that they love each other just like others.

During separation he was leading a good life but he was loosing himself. He was not able to be with person whom he miss that is lu feng. He was not able to say his sexual orientation loudly.

When he tried to move on with qin lan. He still missed lufeng.
But that separation period changed him fundamentally. He realised his parents will never understand his sexual orientation and as a person he was he closed off his fighting spirit and realised that by suffering himself only he can make everyone around him happy.

When lufeng came back from America and lufeng was asking him to be with him. He was afraid that once again his heart will get broken and that's why he resisted a lot despite yichen loving lufeng. His love from school days was soo strong that he went back to lufeng.

When he was in relationship with lufeng..he was happy. But that didn't changed the fact that he is a person who runs away when the problem arrives instead of facing them. So when hospital thing happened. As lufeng was not in his priority list. He chose his mother's dying wish( this I understand) , gave into fear, and instead of handling his relationship with lufeng in proper and mature way. He used Zhou lan when lufeng fought but still in those separation years he still loved lufeng. Loved enough to miss lufeng but not enough to hold his ground.

After seeing news of lufeng when he was no more bound by his family and society. For the sake of past and still have feelings for lufeng he went to meet him. Expecting lufeng forgiveness and acceptance.

When lufeng was torturing him. He stayed because he was imprisoned but ig somewhere deep down whenever lufeng was showing him slightest of care his heart melts thinking "lufeng do u still love me even a bit?"

Then bullet...he didn't gave thought before taking it. Means he still love lufeng. And that he realised that despite him hating lufeng. More than hatred deep down he miss old times with him. It's kind of why I took bullet for him? When i hate him? It's like his mind doesn't realise that he still love lufeng but his heart knows this.

Then when he woke up from coma. He said "lu...feng, lu.... feng" first thing even before opening his eyes. U only call a person name first thing even u wake up when u love them or care for them the most.

In the time when lufeng was supporting and yichen was again healing from his trauma and physically. He deep down liked the fact that lufeng is there to always wait for him outside his shop despite rain, sun. Lufeng is there to drop him home. He is there whenever yichen needs something. He is there for small to big things. Just walking side by side. Their love was healing again or u can say they are again enjoying each other's presence but from a distance. A distance that needs to be maintained for their peace, for them to be able to talk, time for yichen to forgive lufeng, time in which lufeng trying to handle yichen with his controlled actions and care, a time where they are just desiring each other's presence and nothing else. There were moments where both desire some kind of closeness like old times. But they both were too afraid to go into that path. Yichen was afraid because of trauma and little bit because he think lufeng is maintaining distance. Lufeng is scared that his closeness and rashness to be close with yichen will ultimately scare him because of trauma and him eventually leave lufeng again. They didn't wanted to loose what they are having rn.

When his brother asked yichen to leave. Yichen was hesitating little bit but was not able to understand why? Why he can't leave the place? What's stopping him? Why he is thinking about lufeng? Because again his heart knows he still love lufeng and can't leave him. He desire lufeng and his presence. But yichen's mind don't know. So he is trying to seek validation and understand his feelings why I am upset to leave this place?

When he will finally leave lufeng and go with his brother. I can't spoil u. But just know that he will see lu feng's desperation and his constraint. He will see that lufeng is trying to let go of yichen even when it's hurting lufeng to the point of death. He is asking for yichen's consent to stay. He will show this and yichen will realise that despite lufeng having done this level of harm and torture to him and his family. Deep down above all these hatred, society. He will understand that he still love him. He knows that he should hate lufeng but deep down he still love lufeng. He will realise that as yichen grew old. Even lufeng went old. He will realise that he never said sorry to lufeng for making loose his youth. He never said sorry for breaking his promises. He will realise that deep down the promise of them spending lifetime together is etched in his heart and he is ok even if they are not together. He is ok with the life he is living. Just having lufeng fixing his home, shop and sharing one bowl of ramen. No love confessions but still the luxury to see each other daily. To have someone who is waiting for u. He will realise that despite all these. They still crave and love each other deeply. And that they have already wasted half of their life pushing, waiting and hating and being separated from each other. With whatever time it's left for them, yichen wants to spend that time with lufeng and taking care of his shop that's it. That's all he want. That's why he will go back to lufeng.

After coming back to lufeng they will still be separated. Not by distance but because they are too afraid to take their relationship to lovers level. There will be moments in which yichen is remembering old times, old care, the wanting to be close and touch each other. To let their feeling of yearning and tension take form of intimacy. But he will notice that lufeng is not taking the signals that yichen is giving for that. Or u can say he is intentionally avoiding yichen's signals to be close to him physically. Then he will get upset. Because he will think that does he feel guilty towards me and not love that's why he is not getting close with him. But lufeng just was afraid that one step of heated moment and yichen will leave again. He fear that maybe both are not in same energy.

After confession that they both want the same thing. And they choose each other. Only then their hearts, body, mind will become one....

So monster was not lufeng but his obsession and the love to not let go of the person who wants the most, yearns for the most made him lost his sanity and eventually led him to do things which are unforgivable and monstrous.

Seems like a heavy topic. Glad that it has 6 ep only but i am wishing they cover this topic very nicely. Idk if i can expect that. But now having gist from ur comment I guess I will give it a go.

Does this need bg understanding of Christian beliefs? Because I see in comments people talking about it and I have no idea. If needed can someone enlighten me about the beliefs that I need to take into account before starting this series? Because even for "your love engraved herein' i was not able to understand why father was saying him that his love was a sin.

I guess no one is here trying to defend lu feng's criminal behaviour. Nor we are saying that yichen's toxicity is as bad as lufeng. What atleast my take is in real life I will not want both lufeng and yichen. Lufeng we all know but yichen's toxicity is also not joke even though it's not as par as lu feng. The reason being:-
1. After first separation of school days when lufeng came back he was hesitating to again come back in relationship with lu feng despite him having love for lufeng. I want to ask - does lufeng was also not afraid of loosing yichen or another heartbreak? He was also having fear but he went all in.
2. In college reunion- He didn't introduced lufeng as his bf. I get it that the society was like that so he couldn't. But u can say he is not as strong in his head to fight the world like lufeng.
3. Zhou lan proposal- Why he didn't said that he is in love with someone atleast?? Forget saying that he was in love with lufeng and he is gay. In real life i would run away from this kind of person. Who can't say that he is in relationship with me. It's a big big big red flag for me.
4. Inheritance issue- When lufeng said that he is going to cut ties with his family and his will. What did he said? " Are u going to break up with me?" I don't want to breakup. Expecting the same thing that lufeng chooses him over his family when lufeng father was dying. He literally died after hearing this that lufeng will never leave yichen.

Not saying yichen should also have done this and leave his mother dying. But then why did he expect the same from his partner? Is lufeng wrong is expecting the same from yichen deep down? Don't u think relationship is between two people so expectations are unavoidable. Lufeng expectations are not wrong. But yes yichen stand of thinking about his mother is valid as i would also think that.

5- Yichen's mother- Whenever his mother was saying that he should have married and start his family. He never took stand. And slowly make her understand that he is still in love with lufeng. Please don't give me homophobic mother drama. What i am saying he should have slowly make her know by giving hints that he is still not ready. Or start somewhere.

6. Heated argument with mother- when lufeng and yichen caught together. Then also yichen didn't talked to her nicely. He kept his quiet. What lufeng should have done? Again think from his pov that he was aware of the fact that yichen will never fight for their relationship and give in. And he just can't let him go. So he said that ok we are ok relationship. Nothing wrong. He was not aware of yichen's mother health. And plus how long this relationship should have kept hidden? Does yichen truly thought that ok let's keep everyone in dark and continue relationship and we will see and be happy?? Someday he needed to fight which he didn't and never. So in real life i would stay away from him because he want all my efforts and sacrifices but not ready to give his. It's tiring seriously. For me. He is a red flag.

7. Hospital scene- He just said that he wants to fulfil his mother's wish and take a break. Which made lufeng mad because wdym someone is sacrificing his everything and u want to breakup? Not even saying let's not see each other for time being or let things calm down. Not even saying that he can still be together after sometime. Breakup? Doesn't that mean that he is and will never choose lufeng and he is not in yichen's priority list?
U want all my sacrifices, afraid of heartbreak, want me to cut ties with my family and this is what it means? Ready to break up and not even trying to hold his ground? He could have said that fake marriage is for show but I will be coming back to u. But no nothing. Why would I even want to be with someone who gives nothing to remain in relationship? Red flag

8. Yichen using Zhou lan- ok i get it Zhou lan proposed him for marriage. But he did used her for coming out from situation. Instead of having clear fake thing. Or just show thing he actually married her. Even though they had understanding between them but still. Plus i am very much against the idea of using another innocent person in fake marriage. Also idk how this fake marriage works. This is the concept only in fiction...

9. Yichen's visit to lufeng after separation- why did he expect lufeng to not be angry? Why did he ever went to him? Because his mind is not a mess? Because no society is stopping him? Because now suddenly he remember that what he did is wrong and he is guilty? Why did he expect warmth from lufeng in first meet? In real life i would hate yichen type of person to the core. Expectations expectations expectations but the moment something happen just run away. He is a person who is going to first leave u when things don't go well. This kind of person takes irrational decision. He is not mature enough.

10. Yichen's jealousy- he was upset that lufeng was having soft spot for ke lo. And is bringing people in his house. Why? Lu feng is single and can do anything as long as other party is giving consent and yichen still expect deep down for lufeng to still have care and love for yichen? Why? Can't he also move on. What right does he have over lufeng to expect all these??? Again red flag.

At the core of their relationship has the issue that one loved too much to go through wind and fire to be with his love and one just run away as long as he sees fire. It's not just communication issue. It's a issue in how they stand emotionally in their relationship and who they are as a person.

That being said. I also hate lufeng. And he needs to go to jail because there is no redemption arc for rape. Period. Plus he needs a therapy to let go of his anger issues and obsession.

I don't see their happy ending. But understanding both lufeng and yichen's pov is not same as defending them.

I am trying to understand the characters that what make them took that decision and how things came to this point. And judging their actions. And understanding their stand. But it doesn't mean i side with them.

I atleast don't side with lufeng. Nor i side with yichen.

The idea that oh yichen is still ok and defendable please. He is such a bad lover that I wish him nothing but a single life ahead. I never want to be with the person who can't prioritise me atleast once in life.

Same feeling. Wanting it to end so that I can get free from this waiting game and not wanting to end because after this it will be very hard for me to watch another drama for sometime. I am already struggling to watch anything rn. Even though I have lots of drama in my watchlist. Not sure how and what i will feel after this drama will end.

To be able to constantly think about a drama and it's characters. Discuss their pov and stuffs ohhh it's been long.

What's more is that this drama is a very successful drama for me despite being the rating. Because to get hold of its viewers, to keep them engaged by anger, frustration, hatred...this comment section is s proof that drama was well made no matter what the plot and story is...i will give that to this drama.

The way ayden portrayed lu feng fear or distance from yichen in that one bowl of ramen was so emotional. The way he was just admiring yichen's face and his presence. The way he was wanting to speak something but can't because he was afraid he don't hold the position of anything in yichen's life and afraid he might leave or hurt him. He is just happy yichen being around yichen. This distance that the one u love is so close to u but yet so distant is killing him. He is learning to control his emotions and his actions. Not that he is not obsessive rn but he is trying to give time to yichen and wait for him. Ayden portrayed that feeling so well.

That being said idk how to wish their happy ending not with together. I truly want their happy ending but I just don't know if that can be possible.

Because I think if they come together yichen will still run and never choose lufeng once even slightest discomfort come. And lufeng will not let him go. Again that toxic cycle. Idk if that kind of ending can be classified as happy ending.

Trust me. I am tired because everytime u say something about lu feng. It has to come with a tag "oh! I don't defend his actions. I also hate what he did." whenever u are explaining or feeling lu feng emotions. Because tbh his actions are like that. But we do understand both lufeng and yichen's love and suffering. At this time I think i am the bad person to think about lufeng pov and his sufferings. Despite me hating him for his actions. You don't need to give this level of tag to understand and explain yichen pov because despite him being toxic it is getting ignored by lot. Because he is not that level of toxic like lu feng.

I feel like this series should have tag of " watch at ur own risk", "physiological thriller". And I also feel after this series ends i need to watch some cozy dramas complete green flag drama or rom com and at the same time reflect on myself because by reading comments i am feeling that understanding lufeng pov or his emotions means i am sick.

Let me tell you very honestly. I hate both lufeng and yichen and i don't want their happy ending. What i am saying is about lying part. He lied because he can't let go of yichen. Period.

About consent. I agree since this drama even exist. About rape i think yichen? No i am thinking as s human being. Rape is inhumane. No one should ever see a person who did this. That sight of rapist alone is enough to make one feel emotions worse than death.

Very truly said. That lufeng needs therapy. And yes shout out to the fact that this script does not handle sensitive topics like rape, imprisonment. Because there is no redemption of rape please. Even if lufeng goes to therapy I don't see him with yichen.

Idk if u have read novel. But despite these yichen still loved him and liked his presence. But this is drama and here also yichen liked and think about lufeng after this. Confirmation of adaptation of this feeling - when brother asked him to go. He thought of lufeng waiting face. That also is problematic for me because a sane person can't like someone after whatever happened in ep9.
So script is like that. That no matter what seperation, what atrocities and actions happened in ep9, whatever harm they did to each other and their family. It's the feeling of love that they can't let go. And so they need to be together which is problematic again.

Love doesn't give u right to do these things. Best case would be despite having feelings for each other from both sides after ep9 they still let it go and live their life just thinking about good times. Because they bring both good and demonic sides of each other. Better they stay away. Or almost friends. That's it.

God. This drama is too heavy for me. Despite the fact that I can watch toxic dramas.

Wow that's whole new pov I never thought this way. While i did thought that why yichen is asking? But i thought he is saying in a way " why? Can't i leave?" Meaning he do want to leave and is capable to taking decision without any thoughts of someone binding him. As an independent person who can take decision. I never thought in this way. But It make sense