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I can't believe you and I are right. This changing face trope. I felt for it

Hasn't the Duke said he could kill her but this would add charges to his sentence?

I already miss the Leads

You are welcome.
Thank you for your understanding of the novel.
I didn't read it, so I was crushed in tears by the tragic end of wen ji & Lu Ji. But considering your point, now I understand why they died.
Nice commenting with you . I have learned something good (^_<)〜☆

Got tired too : I copy past this post on the discussion to refer to it to the believer of the sad ending.

Thank you. this is even better.

Every time I say that Xiao Heng is alive people try to convince me that he is dead. I wanted to make sure people understand the rule of war.
And the importance of honnor and morals on the battlefield.
If the leader is dead the army stops fighting.

Ah ah ah. Would it be because this is the usual trope they use.
I think the same ^___^

Ok thank you that sounds great ^___^

episode 39 :
Wen Ji : " Zhang Wei is dead rebels , surrender immediatelty!"

They dropped their weapons.

So, Xiao Heng survived because I killed their ruler

I copy past this post on the discussion to refer to it to the believer of the sad ending.

This is a happy ending not a sad ending. I don't know why some people keep being convinced that this is a dream or an after life vision.

Xiao Heng survived because he killed their ruler

In The Art Of War morals law are important. Obeying the ruler to death is a must.
On the battlefields, the person that counts is the ruler. Once the ruler is dead, the army surrenders or retreats.

See The art of war University of toledo :
https://www.utoledo.edu/rotc/pdfs/the_art_of_war.pdf

- The battle is won by the ruler . When the ruler is dead the army retreats:

"Terrain :
11. If the enemy has occupied them before you, do not follow him, but retreat and try to entice him away.
[The turning point of Li Shih-min's campaign in 621 A.D. against the two rebels, Tou Chien-te, King of Hsia,
and Wang Shih-ch`ung, Prince of Cheng, was his seizure of the heights of Wu-lao, in spike of which Tou
Chien-te persisted in his attempt to relieve his ally in Lo-yang, was defeated and taken prisoner. See CHIU
T`ANG, ch. 2, fol. 5 verso, and also ch. 54.

- Morals law are important. A soldier must obey the leader. This is why if the leader looses as shown above with the prince and the king. The soldiers surrender or retreat ( regardless of their number).

" 3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
4. These are:
(1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

The MORAL LAW causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow
him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger."

- If the ruler is exposed to insubordination, this ruler might commit suicide. ( see below). So soldiers must obey rules on the fields.

"14. Now an army is exposed to six several calamities, not arising from natural causes, but from faults for
which the general is responsible. These are: (1) Flight; (2) insubordination; (3) collapse; (4) ruin; (5)
disorganization; (6) rout.

[Tu Mu cites the unhappy case of T`ien Pu [HSIN T`ANG SHU, ch. 148], who was sent to Wei in 821 A.D.
with orders to lead an army against Wang T`ing-ts`ou. But the whole time he was in command, his soldiers
treated him with the utmost contempt, and openly flouted his authority by riding about the camp on donkeys,
several thousands at a time. T`ien Pu was powerless to put a stop to this conduct, and when, after some
months had passed, he made an attempt to engage the enemy, his troops turned tail and dispersed in every
direction. After that, the unfortunate man committed suicide by cutting his throat.] "

Conclusion : So yes, Duke Su won the battle when he killed the ruler's enemy.
So the remaining soldiers either surrendered or retreated.
This is not a dream, he came back home to Xue Fang Fei.

Apologies , I was wrong it was not King Chen but The captain of the palace guards: episode 39 :
Wen Ji : " Zhang Wei is dead rebels , surrender immediatelty!"

They dropped their weapons.

Xiao Heng survived because I killed their ruler

In The Art Of War morals law are important. Obey the ruler to death is a must.
On battlefields, the persons that counts is the ruler. Once the ruler is dead, the army surrenders or retreats.

See The art of war University of toledo :
https://www.utoledo.edu/rotc/pdfs/the_art_of_war.pdf

- The battle is won by the ruler . When the ruler is dead the army retreats:

"Terrain :
11. If the enemy has occupied them before you, do not follow him, but retreat and try to entice him away.
[The turning point of Li Shih-min's campaign in 621 A.D. against the two rebels, Tou Chien-te, King of Hsia,
and Wang Shih-ch`ung, Prince of Cheng, was his seizure of the heights of Wu-lao, in spike of which Tou
Chien-te persisted in his attempt to relieve his ally in Lo-yang, was defeated and taken prisoner. See CHIU
T`ANG, ch. 2, fol. 5 verso, and also ch. 54.

- Morals law are important. A soldier must obey the leader. This is why if the leader looses as show above with the 2 princes. The soldier surrenders or retreat ( regardless of their number).

" 3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
4. These are:
(1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

The MORAL LAW causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow
him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger."

- If the ruler is exposed to insubordination, this ruler might commit suicide. ( see below). So soldiers must obey rules on the fields.

"14. Now an army is exposed to six several calamities, not arising from natural causes, but from faults for
which the general is responsible. These are: (1) Flight; (2) insubordination; (3) collapse; (4) ruin; (5)
disorganization; (6) rout.

[Tu Mu cites the unhappy case of T`ien Pu [HSIN T`ANG SHU, ch. 148], who was sent to Wei in 821 A.D.
with orders to lead an army against Wang T`ing-ts`ou. But the whole time he was in command, his soldiers
treated him with the utmost contempt, and openly flouted his authority by riding about the camp on donkeys,
several thousands at a time. T`ien Pu was powerless to put a stop to this conduct, and when, after some
months had passed, he made an attempt to engage the enemy, his troops turned tail and dispersed in every
direction. After that, the unfortunate man committed suicide by cutting his throat.] "

So yes, Duke Su won the battle when he killed the ruler's enemy.
So the remaining soldiers either surrendered or retreated.
This is not a dream, he came back home to Xue Fang Fei.

thank you

Very interresting. You should pin it on the discussion board to keep it.
Or else, it will be dragged down with all the comments.

They surrendered the same way King Chen's army surrendered when he was killed.

I remember Wen Ji saying : your commander is dead or something like that.
They dropped their weapons on the spot. They did not take a last stand.
This is why I said that the men on horseback surrendered when their commander/ prince or capitain was killed by Duke Su.

Moreover, the special episode shows their family life with their daughter. So he returned home and had a child.

https://mydramalist.com/772497-the-double-special
https://mydramalist.com/photos/kAxK3k_3

A lot of Xianxia dramas end with a sad ending : a dream or a glance at afterlife... So people are used to sad endings. This not the case here.

Only the two of them time-traveled to the past ( Male lead and Female Lead)

yes , exactly. This the way it ends.

I don't know. I didn't read the novel. (-__-)

This is not a dream. He killed the soldier's commander so the people on horsebacks dropped their weapon. He suvived and went back home.

You are right. unfortunatly . I re- watch currently and I will cry again when that sad part comes back -__-