This thread is inspired by a conversation my friend and I had recently that went something like this:
Friend: "Where all the strong female leads at?"
Me: *shrugs* " I 'unno..."
It was a quick conversation. But it got me thinking about heroines/female leads in K-dramas, so...
Favorite Heroine: Kim Sam Soon (My Name is Kim Sam Soon). Because who doesn't love a foul-mouthed pastry chef on the verge of turning 30? I love how the writers of the drama realistically and sympathetically portrayed her struggle to lose weight, find the right guy, lose the wrong guy, and achieve her dreams (which involved owning her own business!). She's intelligent and witty, and never lost her sense of self even after she became romantically involved. Basically, I never felt like I had to reach through the screen to give her a few slaps to jog her brain; in fact, I want to be Kim Sam Soon when I grow up.
Least Liked Heroine: Oh Ha Ni (Mischievous/Playful Kiss). Also known as Oh, Honey. As in "Oh, Honey, no--don't you have any sense of self outside of your inexplicable love for this emotionally stunted, petty, little rich boy? Oh, Honey, do you really only find value in yourself if he likes you?" Yeah, in the very last episode she's redeemed a bit, or so I've heard since I had washed my hands of her about half-way through.
Who are your favorite and least liked K-drama heroines?
Friend: "Where all the strong female leads at?"
Me: *shrugs* " I 'unno..."
It was a quick conversation. But it got me thinking about heroines/female leads in K-dramas, so...
Favorite Heroine: Kim Sam Soon (My Name is Kim Sam Soon). Because who doesn't love a foul-mouthed pastry chef on the verge of turning 30? I love how the writers of the drama realistically and sympathetically portrayed her struggle to lose weight, find the right guy, lose the wrong guy, and achieve her dreams (which involved owning her own business!). She's intelligent and witty, and never lost her sense of self even after she became romantically involved. Basically, I never felt like I had to reach through the screen to give her a few slaps to jog her brain; in fact, I want to be Kim Sam Soon when I grow up.
Least Liked Heroine: Oh Ha Ni (Mischievous/Playful Kiss). Also known as Oh, Honey. As in "Oh, Honey, no--don't you have any sense of self outside of your inexplicable love for this emotionally stunted, petty, little rich boy? Oh, Honey, do you really only find value in yourself if he likes you?" Yeah, in the very last episode she's redeemed a bit, or so I've heard since I had washed my hands of her about half-way through.
Who are your favorite and least liked K-drama heroines?
I'll lack originality here, but my favourite heroine is Gil Ra Im from Secret Garden. It's more of a personal reason than a clear-cut, rational one: I could easily identify with her, with her tough exterior, her pride and inner fear to be inadequate. She is brave and has a strong sense of justice, which does not imply abiding to some social rule or role.
As for the least favourite, you've already got the worst one! So I'll have to go with Mae Ri from Mary Stayed out All Night. She had her moments, poor thing, and when she performed her wonderful cauliflower dance I almost liked her. But, alas! It was not to be. 10 minutes later she was back to her whining self, the victim of her own distorted sense of loyalty. I mean, who on earth would still listen to such a father? Or spend half a day with her hands immersed in spicy Kimchi just because a lunatic woman demands it?
If the drama hadn't been a wreck in itself, I would have dropped it anyway, in order not to look at her suffering expression anymore.
As for the least favourite, you've already got the worst one! So I'll have to go with Mae Ri from Mary Stayed out All Night. She had her moments, poor thing, and when she performed her wonderful cauliflower dance I almost liked her. But, alas! It was not to be. 10 minutes later she was back to her whining self, the victim of her own distorted sense of loyalty. I mean, who on earth would still listen to such a father? Or spend half a day with her hands immersed in spicy Kimchi just because a lunatic woman demands it?
If the drama hadn't been a wreck in itself, I would have dropped it anyway, in order not to look at her suffering expression anymore.
Favorite: I agree with Kim Sam Soon, but also like Jun Seol Hee from I Am Legend, she seems weak, but after time her strength emerges. Its like, thru her tears, she gained the strength to be the woman she wanted to be.
Least liked: Oh Ha Ni, for all the reasons already mentioned, but also I just found the actresses way of speaking very very annoying.
Least liked: Oh Ha Ni, for all the reasons already mentioned, but also I just found the actresses way of speaking very very annoying.
Wow...boredandtwitchy, you've hit the nail on the head. Kim Sam Soon is by far my favorite and I absolutely couldn't stand Oh Ha Ni. for all the reasons stated above.
Kim Sam Soon: Hey Sassy Mouth! Beat that guy with your umbrella! Smack Sam Shik ah when he's being bad! Tell him not to get on the bed with you; not because you don't trust him but because you haven't been laid in a long time and you don't trust yourself. Curse and cry and love like you've never been hurt! I love her.
Oh Ha Ni: Grow a pair! Have some semblence of self-worth! You don't have to be ambitious but at least want something for yourself. Don't want everything only in reference to a boy and orbit him like the sun, only to be burned ...again and again and again. It sent a crappy message to teen girls (sorry, but it did)
So second place?
Go Eun Chan from Coffee Prince: There are stronger heroines out there but for some reason (maybe the way Yoon Eun Hye played her) There such moments of bravery in her and she had spirit and perserverence and a lot of love. I just like her.
Jan Di from Boys Over Flowers: First few episode she had spunk and spirit then she became a fainting, helpless, clueless whiner. I had to dump her. ...I needed my space.
Kim Sam Soon: Hey Sassy Mouth! Beat that guy with your umbrella! Smack Sam Shik ah when he's being bad! Tell him not to get on the bed with you; not because you don't trust him but because you haven't been laid in a long time and you don't trust yourself. Curse and cry and love like you've never been hurt! I love her.
Oh Ha Ni: Grow a pair! Have some semblence of self-worth! You don't have to be ambitious but at least want something for yourself. Don't want everything only in reference to a boy and orbit him like the sun, only to be burned ...again and again and again. It sent a crappy message to teen girls (sorry, but it did)
So second place?
Go Eun Chan from Coffee Prince: There are stronger heroines out there but for some reason (maybe the way Yoon Eun Hye played her) There such moments of bravery in her and she had spirit and perserverence and a lot of love. I just like her.
Jan Di from Boys Over Flowers: First few episode she had spunk and spirit then she became a fainting, helpless, clueless whiner. I had to dump her. ...I needed my space.
Linni wrote: I'll lack originality here, but my favourite heroine is Gil Ra Im from Secret Garden. It's more of a personal reason than a clear-cut, rational one: I could easily identify with her, with her tough exterior, her pride and inner fear to be inadequate. She is brave and has a strong sense of justice, which does not imply abiding to some social rule or role.
I have a love/hate relationship with Gil Ra Im. I also identified with exactly the same aspects of her character that you did. My only problem was that I felt that as soon as she began to come to terms with her feelings towards Joo Won, she became a bit...meh. There was one scene in particular during which I found myself screaming, "You're a STUNT WOMAN! KICK HIM IN THE JEWELS! NO MEANS NO!" [I don't want to describe the scene in detail for fear of spoiling anything, but it's when they're left alone together at Joo Won's resort after the stunt team retreat. Episode 13, I believe.]
unaizahazman wrote: I have a love/hate relationship with Gil Ra Im. I also identified with exactly the same aspects of her character that you did. My only problem was that I felt that as soon as she began to come to terms with her feelings towards Joo Won, she became a bit...meh. There was one scene in particular during which I found myself screaming, "You're a STUNT WOMAN! KICK HIM IN THE JEWELS! NO MEANS NO!" [I don't want to describe the scene in detail for fear of spoiling anything, but it's when they're left alone together at Joo Won's resort after the stunt team retreat. Episode 13, I believe.]
LOL, I know perfectly what you're referring to. That is one of my favourite episodes. And what I think about it is that she didn't kick his... jewels, because she didn't want to.
michaelachua wrote: And what I think about it is that she didn't kick his... jewels, because she didn't want to.
Hm, that's true. Thinking back to my original comment about Gil Ra Im, I think my problem with that scene had more to do with Joo Won's behavior: she initially protests; he ignores her non-consent and continues to aggressively force himself. That really bothered me at the time, and so my knee jerk reaction was wanting Ra Im to, well, jerk her knee. Don't get me wrong---the chemistry in that scene was sizzling! Which leaves me even more torn about the whole thing.
Am I the only one who likes Oh Ha Ni? I find her very innocent and naive. Maybe stupidly cute at times. But I could never say I dislike her. She's cute in her own way. At least she knows what she wants. I don't say it's alright to blindly follow a man, but if you truly love someone you do stupid things. Even more if you're an incorrigible silly person.
Favorite Heroine: Let's say randomly Mi Ho (My Girlfriend is a Gumiho) because she was cute and capable of giving everything she had for the one she loved. But truly I don't think I have a favorite one.
Least Liked Heroine: maybe Hong Nan Nee (9 end 2 outs) because of all the crying. Or Go Mi Nam (You're beautiful) for the same reason. Han Ka Ran(Sweet Beans) also annoyed me with her selfishness. Oh Yoon Joo (My Princess) she played her role so well that I wanted to kill her. Cha Do Kyung(The Queen Returns) and Shin Ae Ri(Temptation of Wife) as I felt they were happy without really deserving it.
Favorite Heroine: Let's say randomly Mi Ho (My Girlfriend is a Gumiho) because she was cute and capable of giving everything she had for the one she loved. But truly I don't think I have a favorite one.
Least Liked Heroine: maybe Hong Nan Nee (9 end 2 outs) because of all the crying. Or Go Mi Nam (You're beautiful) for the same reason. Han Ka Ran(Sweet Beans) also annoyed me with her selfishness. Oh Yoon Joo (My Princess) she played her role so well that I wanted to kill her. Cha Do Kyung(The Queen Returns) and Shin Ae Ri(Temptation of Wife) as I felt they were happy without really deserving it.
yumaz wrote: Hm, that's true. Thinking back to my original comment about Gil Ra Im, I think my problem with that scene had more to do with Joo Won's behavior: she initially protests; he ignores her non-consent and continues to aggressively force himself. That really bothered me at the time, and so my knee jerk reaction was wanting Ra Im to, well, jerk her knee. Don't get me wrong---the chemistry in that scene was sizzling! Which leaves me even more torn about the whole thing.
There has been a never ending discussion about this issue on Dramabeans, at the time. I remember this because Secret Garden was the only drama that had me go read recaps before the subs were out.
And, honestly, I thought it was a preposterous discussion.
First, because it didn't take into consideration what had happen up to that moment, the characters of both KJW and that of GRI, their interaction from the beginning. Basically, the discussion forgot the whole drama.
Secondly, because between two people who are falling in love with each other - or already are - the "rules" of courtship, seduction, their plays and innuendoes, are an eminently subjective thing, one that can't possibly be categorized from the outside.
Thirdly, because his forcing himself onto her consisted in embracing her; he didn't even try to kiss her. The fact that she could have beaten him to a pulp cannot be forgotten just because she's a woman and he's a man.
Mind you, I'm well aware of the importance of the issue, and how often dramas and movies try to portray un-ethical behaviours and let them pass as romantic. I would shudder at a love story in which a strong man harasses - let alone uses violence on a woman and she ends up forgive him in the name of a so-called love. But this is not the case here, with a woman that could have defended herself and didn't against the attempt of a man she has fallen for, to sleep holding her in his arms.
In short: I thought it was sweet, more than sizzling. The changing-cabin scene disturbed me more.
And that was also the last time I went reading the recaps of dramabeans.
I have to think a little bit more before I can pick a heroine that I liked but there are definitely a few that I didn't really like, but no one has mentioned yet.
Jang Beo Jin (Tamra the Island) - I always felt annoyed with her character for some reason. She always seemed to be so whiny, selfish, and indecisive. It's been awhile since I've seen the drama, but from what I remember I didn't really like her.
Han Sang Eun (Creating Destiny) - This character was played by Eugene whom I've always had a rocky opinion about. Sometimes I like her, sometimes I don't. Her acting isn't the best out there, which is standard for a pop idol-turned-actress, and so for me it really depends on the plot and the character whether I like her or not. Here, the character she played seemed to be fierce and willful in the beginning but once her feelings started to change towards the leader her strong character seemed to fizzle out. She seemed to get real boring real fast. I managed to get through the drama, but I really didn't appreciate her change in character towards the end.
Eun Jo (Cinderella's Sister) - I always hated how sorry this character felt for herself. I mean, I understand she went through A LOT in her childhood, but c'mon. The extent with which she cut out everyone in her life, and all the hurt because of it, was her own damn fault. So many times while watching this drama I wanted to slap her in the face so she'd come to her senses. On another note, I have to saw Moon Geun Young did an amazing job acting here, it was just the character that annoyed me.
Jang Beo Jin (Tamra the Island) - I always felt annoyed with her character for some reason. She always seemed to be so whiny, selfish, and indecisive. It's been awhile since I've seen the drama, but from what I remember I didn't really like her.
Han Sang Eun (Creating Destiny) - This character was played by Eugene whom I've always had a rocky opinion about. Sometimes I like her, sometimes I don't. Her acting isn't the best out there, which is standard for a pop idol-turned-actress, and so for me it really depends on the plot and the character whether I like her or not. Here, the character she played seemed to be fierce and willful in the beginning but once her feelings started to change towards the leader her strong character seemed to fizzle out. She seemed to get real boring real fast. I managed to get through the drama, but I really didn't appreciate her change in character towards the end.
Eun Jo (Cinderella's Sister) - I always hated how sorry this character felt for herself. I mean, I understand she went through A LOT in her childhood, but c'mon. The extent with which she cut out everyone in her life, and all the hurt because of it, was her own damn fault. So many times while watching this drama I wanted to slap her in the face so she'd come to her senses. On another note, I have to saw Moon Geun Young did an amazing job acting here, it was just the character that annoyed me.
I'll start with the least liked:
Oh Ha Ni (Playful Kiss): She has absolutely no self respect, I kept watching the drama just to see if she toned down her pathetic, stalker-like behavior, but that never happened. I honestly don't know how I lasted through all 16 episodes of that dramas.
Seo Eun Young (Coffee House):I don't even have a reason why I dislike her so much. I could say it's because of the end, which I didn't like, but no from the very moment she appeared, she didn't even need to talk, I disliked her.
Go Mi Nam (You are Beautiful) : Just because of the way she acted, just crying and being Hwang Tae Kyung's lackey. I do like how the actress acts and liked the drama, enough to finish it, though, but it was just the character who got on my nerves. I probably just finished it because of all the eye candy...
Park Kae In (Personal Taste): I liked the drama, but she got on my nerves on many occasions.
Favorite:
Gil Ra Im and Go Eun Chan: I just love them both.
Kim Sam-Soon: I loved her for all the reasons already mentioned.
Oh Ha Ni (Playful Kiss): She has absolutely no self respect, I kept watching the drama just to see if she toned down her pathetic, stalker-like behavior, but that never happened. I honestly don't know how I lasted through all 16 episodes of that dramas.
Seo Eun Young (Coffee House):I don't even have a reason why I dislike her so much. I could say it's because of the end, which I didn't like, but no from the very moment she appeared, she didn't even need to talk, I disliked her.
Go Mi Nam (You are Beautiful) : Just because of the way she acted, just crying and being Hwang Tae Kyung's lackey. I do like how the actress acts and liked the drama, enough to finish it, though, but it was just the character who got on my nerves. I probably just finished it because of all the eye candy...
Park Kae In (Personal Taste): I liked the drama, but she got on my nerves on many occasions.
Favorite:
Gil Ra Im and Go Eun Chan: I just love them both.
Kim Sam-Soon: I loved her for all the reasons already mentioned.
The flavour of the week reminded me of another k-heroine whom I could never stomach: Moon Jane from Bad Guy.
Not the actress of course, who did a fantastic job in portraying her. I usually like strong women, who know what they want and how to obtain it, but the fact that it all revolved around seducing the man with the money made me so mad I could have slapped her at every turn.
End of rant.
;)
Not the actress of course, who did a fantastic job in portraying her. I usually like strong women, who know what they want and how to obtain it, but the fact that it all revolved around seducing the man with the money made me so mad I could have slapped her at every turn.
End of rant.
;)
Hi... so i looked through my list and found a few chara, that i liked/hated :)
Liked:
Na Yeo Kyeong (Capital Scandal) - becaouse she was innocent and sweet, yet very determinated to do everyting for her coutry
Song Eun Ju (cinderella Sister) - Maybe my totaly favourite character, i loved how she hardly openes to anyone :)
Shin Mi Rae (City Hall) - she was strong and funny
Jin Pal Kang (Stars Falling from the Sky) - didnt like her from the beginning, but loved her in the ending. She would do everything for her siblings; she was strong, brave and interesting character. I also liked, how she tried to refuse love, becouse she only wanted to take care of her family
Ju Jun Young (The World That They Live In) - very interesting character, very well acted
Han Sang Eun (Creating Destiny) - liked her in the beginning, but that she got boring and uninteresting
Yoon Gae Hwa (Oh My Lady) - i really like the actress, but this character sucked
Jang Beo Jin (Tamra) - way too crying, way too stupidity, hated how she didnt relize, who really loves her
Liked:
Na Yeo Kyeong (Capital Scandal) - becaouse she was innocent and sweet, yet very determinated to do everyting for her coutry
Song Eun Ju (cinderella Sister) - Maybe my totaly favourite character, i loved how she hardly openes to anyone :)
Shin Mi Rae (City Hall) - she was strong and funny
Jin Pal Kang (Stars Falling from the Sky) - didnt like her from the beginning, but loved her in the ending. She would do everything for her siblings; she was strong, brave and interesting character. I also liked, how she tried to refuse love, becouse she only wanted to take care of her family
Ju Jun Young (The World That They Live In) - very interesting character, very well acted
Han Sang Eun (Creating Destiny) - liked her in the beginning, but that she got boring and uninteresting
Yoon Gae Hwa (Oh My Lady) - i really like the actress, but this character sucked
Jang Beo Jin (Tamra) - way too crying, way too stupidity, hated how she didnt relize, who really loves her
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