Xiang Liu and Xiao Yao’s Story and Romance

 Kokuto:

Hmmm. Not sure, but I don't think it falls along those lines. I mean, both Tan Jian Ci and Deng Wei gained a huge amount of followers on Weibo off of LYF, and those are not Western users.

Yes, I don't think it applies to this case. Most of the Jingers are from Asian countries.

 luv2bafangurl:

if I must be fair and think about it logically, then the answer is no.

There's no logic, only feels. So many feels. ??

 luv2bafangurl:

I‘m curious though about the discussion ‚lost in translation‘ that some are discussing. I thought that maybe so many of international fans are Jinger

Hmmm, I think it's the opposite, actually. On the Other Thread™, some of the Jingers are from Southeast Asia. Sure, there's one from France and one from the US, I think, judging by the vernacular.

 luv2bafangurl:

But how is it in china? Are there more YaoLiu or YaoJing shippers?

I'm curious about that as well. I saw a video explaining that a decade ago, the overwhelming majority would be made of YaoLius, but nowadays, there are also many Jingers. I have Chinese friends who are YaoLius, but then again, if they weren't, they wouldn't be my friends LOL

 luv2bafangurl:

I‘m so glad to know that many cast crew actually YaoLiu shippers?, send them hugs for enduring the vicious backlash from those rabid Jingers.

That's good to know. So comforting.

 luv2bafangurl:

And are most of you here actually asian descendant living abroad or westener? I am interested to know if this western lens is really the major cause which influence peple to be a Jinger or Liuer?.

No, I'm South American. Is that even considered Western? It's just like Blabla said, I'm also a fan of Asian culture. It speaks more to me than my own culture. But even if I were Asian, I'd probably have the same opinion. Xiang Liu is engraved in my bones. ?

 blabla100:

Also, I am not that young either, I have seen many Jingers said that a lot of XL fans must be young adults, which IMO îs not actually true.

Yeah, those Jingers think we're 16-year-olds. I'm youngish, not too young, not too old. The younger me would have preferred Xiang Liu. Current me prefers Xiang Liu. 100-year-old me will continue to prefer Xiang Liu. Oh, and my next reincarnation will too. That's just the way it is.

 blabla100:

Yes, as a mother I would want my daugther to have a Jing în her life, but as a woman, I'd go after an XL.

I showed his pictures to my mom, and she was like, hmmm. Hmmmmmmmm. My mama is always so clever. ?

 Kokuto:

Apparently, like love, shipping, is a universal language. :p

I love universal languages. It makes everything so much easier to communicate with.

 luv2bafangurl:

I‘m curious though about the discussion ‚lost in translation‘ that some are discussing. I thought that maybe so many of international fans are Jinger because they missed the nuances of the story as they watch the drama from western point of view and can only understand the story using english subtitles. But how is it in china? Are there more YaoLiu or YaoJing shippers? I‘m so glad to know that many cast crew actually YaoLiu shippers?, send them hugs for enduring the vicious backlash from those rabid Jingers.

And are most of you here actually asian descendant living abroad or westener? I am interested to know if this western lens is really the major cause which influence peple to be a Jinger or Liuer?. 

This is a great question that others have answered better. First, I want to clarify that Viki and Netflix expect their translators to convey the gist of the story. iQiyi is pretty good about it too. So, non-Chinese-fluent people shouldn’t be losing too much when watching these platforms. But, if one wants to dig deeper and analyze specific wording, then an English subtitle may or may not have the accuracy for this.

I wear the Western hat much more than the Asian hat, and it may have affected my view. I definitely wasn’t used to seeing three great love rivals at the same time. American movies don’t do the love-rival trope nearly as much as Cdramas. So, it’s habit to focus on the main love relationship and expect less of the others. Also, Americans expect a happy ending. Although historicals don’t always provide one, if one does, then it’s instinctive to gravitate to it. Stated differently, TSJ was at an automatic advantage, because Tong Hua gave him a happy ending with XY.

Having said all that, it has been Tong Hua’s incredible storytelling and writing that has kept me coming back. (I read the book translation before I watched the drama. Then, I read the book translation again.) I still don’t know exactly why I keep coming back. I doubt that it’s only XL. Tong Hua has so much to say. I'm not used to having to pay close attention. But, I really do with this one. So, I'll be re-reading the book translation and this thread again, carefully, before season 2.

 MTH123:

Yeah, those Jingers think we're 16-year-olds. I'm youngish, not too young, not too old. The younger me would have preferred Xiang Liu. Current me prefers Xiang Liu. 100-year-old me will continue to prefer Xiang Liu. Oh, and my next reincarnation will too. That's just the way it is.

Well, it has been a long time since someone has mistaken me for a 16-year-old. I am proud to claim I am a golden girl. However, my heart and spirit can be that of a 16-year-old! Like you, I prefer XL in whatever age category there is. 

i think even in weibo theres more support for  yaojing than yaoliu at least based on posts on 长相思说话 . 

has anyone read the sookie stackhouse books (not the tv series)? it has a bit of similarity with xiao yao and xiang liu story although xiangliu/tjc is way better i think. im like thinking how sookie and eric was pretty much sold as like MFEO in majority of the books but in the end ,  she ended up with the other guy whom she has zero chem with, who liked her from the start, for reasons that i just cant fathom… just like how i cant get xiao yao’s choice. 

on that note, can anyone please recommend more recent  chinese drama  where the female lead is clueless/oblivious about how the male lead feels… but eventually ended up together with male lead. 

TIA

 MissUnderstood50:

Well, it has been a long time since someone has mistaken me for a 16-year-old. I am proud to claim I am a golden girl. However, my heart and spirit can be that of a 16-year-old! Like you, I prefer XL in whatever age category there is. 

Golden girl, as in The Golden Girls, starring Bea Arthur, Betty White, Rue McClanahan, and Estelle Getty? I loved that show! It was so funny! It’s the only American TV series I ever re-watched a lot of. (One of the things that has amazed me about Cdramas is that they are so re-watchable, in whole.) Judging by Bea Arthur and Betty White’s ages when the show started, I’m not quite there yet. IIRC, Rue McClanahan was cast, even though she was younger than intended for the role.

I don’t know how your quote mixed up my name with nathsketch’s quote. All credit to nathsketch!

For the English subs on the show, I usually don't turn them on because I don't need them but a couple times when I was watching with a friend we needed to turn them on and I think they're ok, they get the job done for the most part. What I noticed the most is that XL is actually quite humorous sometimes and I think it's his humorous lines and moments that get lost a bit in translation with the subs not fully portraying how funny I found him especially with TJC's line delivery.

I don't think I've noticed any sharply delineated CP trends based on nationality although it does seem like more Chinese are YaoJing fans but I kind of attributed a lot of that to Deng Wei's looks and popularity as well his current status as one of the idol actor flavors of the moment. That's not to put him down, that's just how Chinese fandom works, cyclically there are rising actors and actresses that get very trendy with a big and loud fanbase, and only time will tell if they have longevity or if you just see and hear about them everywhere for a relatively brief period of time.

 liddi:

My youngest child is in her mid-teens, so do the math!

So, you are at least 30? lol! (Edit: Oh, there's a joke in the U. S. that women don't pass the age of 30. Or, is it 29?)

 MTH123:

Yes, if they believe XY and TSJ are so healthy, then they should also believe that XY and TSJ wouldn’t want them to attack an innocent XL shipper and wouldn’t like them for doing so. But, they don’t, which sets off an alarm for me. “Crazy stuff going on here. Ignore. Avoid.”

They accuse us of hitting below the belt but they're the ones that name-call us by saying we're "delusional fanatics" and "domestic abuse supporters" while also wishing abuse and assault on us because we support XL. 

 MTH123:

But, this can sometimes be easier said than done. It reminds me of not being able to take my eyes off a “train wreck.” Don’t look. It’s better not to look. Really, it’s better not to look. Nothing to be gained here. Look over there instead. Hey, it’s a bunch of healthy XL shippers! :)

I know they lurk our thread. I've seen them "refute" some of the stuff we said on here and I've seen them get annoyed by that meme I posted and what I said about it. However, I'm not going to explain myself or say anything on that thread since it's their safe space. It is what it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.