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A spoiler is information that is already known or confirmed. For example, if the ending is that he eats chicken and I reveal that before it happens, that’s a spoiler.
But if I’m simply guessing that he might eat beef, pork, or fish, that’s just speculation. A guess can be right or wrong, but it isn’t a spoiler because it doesn’t come from confirmed information.
If someone replies to my comment and they already know the answer because they’ve read the novel, then yes, they should absolutely use a spoiler tag before revealing anything. But if someone else replies with their own guesses or theories, that’s still just speculation, not a spoiler. That’s called having a discussion.
We’re here to discuss the show. That’s the whole purpose of the MDL forum. People should be able to share theories, predictions, and assumptions without being told to add spoiler tags when there are no actual spoilers.
Please don’t be the spoiler police and tell people to use spoiler tags when it’s just speculation and discussion.
I haven’t read the novel, but I have a feeling ChaeHa’s father is actually innocent and wasn’t the one who killed TaeSeon’s father. My theory is that TaeSeon will eventually uncover the truth, realize he was wrong, and deeply regret everything he put ChaeHa through. Maybe that’s how they’ll find their way back to each other and get a happy ending.
Of course, that’s just my theory, and I could be completely wrong.
Maybe I see it a little differently. In the end, not every question needed an answer. As long as they had each other, that was enough. You could see that Xu Yuan was willing to give up his life for Zhan Wang, and that kind of love speaks louder than any explanation.
I agree the finale could have been stronger, but the entire series still touched my heart. It made me cry more than once, and despite its flaws, it’s a story I’ll gladly return to. Some endings are imperfect, yet the emotions they leave behind stay with us.
Going back to epsidoe 10 for example, watching the person you love lying in front of you, not knowing if they'll survive, has to be one of the most painful things anyone could experience. When he said, "I have to have my surgery. I might go blind or die," my heart shattered.Xu Yuan's response made the scene even more emotional. "I'll stay with you no matter what." Such a simple promise, yet it carried so much love, fear, and unwavering devotion. The performances were incredible, and the raw emotion felt so real that I couldn't hold back my tears.
Just because the ending wasn't perfect, don't forget how good the rest of the other episodes were.
Congratulations 🥳 on your first lead role
From what I watched, Chae Ha initiated the kiss first. Even though he was drunk, he made the first move. Tae Seon then responded by saying, "You started this," and kissed him back. They were both undressing each other, so to me, it was clear that Chae Ha understood what was happening despite being intoxicated.
Later, Tae Seon told him to turn over before penetrating him from behind. In my opinion, if Chae Ha had said no or tried to stop him and Tae Seon continued anyway, then I would consider that SA. But that's not in this case so for me it is not SA.
So next time carefully before saying its SA, it is not!
From what I watched, Chae Ha initiated the kiss first. Even though he was drunk, he made the first move. Tae Seon then responded by saying, "You started this," and kissed him back. They were both undressing each other, so to me, it was clear that Chae Ha understood what was happening despite being intoxicated.
Later, Tae Seon told him to turn over before penetrating him from behind. In my opinion, if Chae Ha had said no or tried to stop him and Tae Seon continued anyway, then I would consider that SA. But that's not in this case so for me it is not SA.
What gets on my nerves is that it’s perfectly fine to disagree with me, I genuinely don’t mind that. But calling my comment “bs” and claiming all BL fans like porn is rude, disrespectful, and an unfair generalisation.
Nobody is gaslighting you. You keep throwing around words without understanding what they mean. And claiming BL fans just want to watch “porn” is ignorant and offensive.
A drama depicting sexual assault or other disturbing themes is not pornography. Fiction is allowed to explore dark subjects without endorsing them. That has been true for decades not just in Hollywood but in K-dramas, and countless other forms of storytelling.
If you don’t like this drama, stop watching it. But don’t make up nonsense about everyone else just because they don’t share your opinion.
Tae Seon hates Chae Ha because Chae Ha's father murdered his own father. That hatred has consumed him for years, so this is such an unusual way to confront someone you consider your enemy. Normally, you'd expect violence, harsh words, or for him to abuse his authority as Chae Ha's boss. Instead, the confrontation became a forced kiss, making the scene feel emotionally volatile and deeply unsettling.
I was genuinely shocked because I'd never seen anything quite like it before. It didn't come across as a romantic kiss at all. It felt like a hate kiss, driven by anger, grief, obsession, and years of unresolved emotions.
Personally, the scene made perfect sense to me. I never saw it as Tae Seon suddenly developing romantic feelings. I saw it as a kiss born purely out of hatred. He hated Chae Ha so much that his emotions became twisted and explosive. He kissed him out of anger, bit his lip until he was bleeding, and made the moment as painful and humiliating as possible. That's exactly why the scene was so powerful and unforgettable.
There are no SA in episode 4, even if there is, this is fiction. It is not real life.
Are we going to cancel every TV show or movie that depicts rape, violence, or other morally disturbing themes? If so, we can say goodbye to half of modern storytelling.
Game of Thrones, The Handmaid’s Tale, 13 Reasons Why, Outlander, Law & Order: SVU, Monster, Kill Bill, Gone Girl, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo all explore horrific acts. Yet they have been praised, won awards, and are widely watched.
Watching dark or controversial content does not mean you support it. No one watches a movie about a serial killer and thinks, “I want to do that.”
Fiction allows us to confront uncomfortable truths. It explores trauma, redemption, and the darkest parts of humanity, not to glorify them, but to show their consequences and help us understand their impact. That is the purpose of storytelling. It creates tension, challenges our empathy, and holds up a mirror to society’s ugliest realities.
If we only watched shows with perfect morals and flawless characters, we would lose Dexter, Joker, The Godfather, Scarface, and entire genres of storytelling.
So no, watching a rape scene does not mean we support rape or that we are normalising it. Watching a story with an abuser does not mean we support abuse either.
It simply means we understand the difference between fiction and reality, something some people in these comments seem unable to grasp.
Millions of people watch Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, and The Handmaid’s Tale, all of which include murder, rape, assault, and other horrific acts. Does that mean those viewers support those crimes? Of course not.
If you cannot separate storytelling from real life, that is your issue, not the show’s.
Are we going to cancel every show or movie that depicts RAPE, violence, or morally disturbing themes? If so, say goodbye to half of modern storytelling.
Game of Thrones, The Handmaid’s Tale, 13 Reasons Why, Outlander, Law & Order: SVU,, Monster, Kill Bill, Gone Girl, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, all explore horrific acts. Yet they are praised, awarded, and widely consumed.
Watching dark, controversial content does not mean you support it.
No one watches a serial killer movie and thinks, “Wow, I wanna do that.”
Fiction is where we confront uncomfortable truths.
We explore trauma, redemption, and the darkest parts of humanity, not to glorify them, but to understand their impact. That’s the point of storytelling: it creates tension, challenges empathy, and holds up a mirror to society’s ugliest sides.
If we only watched shows with perfect morals and unflawed characters, we’d lose Breaking Bad, Dexter, Joker, The Godfather, Scarface, entire genres would disappear.
So NO, watching a rape scene NOT mean we support RAPE or normalizing these kind of scenes. Or watching an Abusers doesn’t mean we support it
It means we understand the difference between fiction and reality, something some people in these comments clearly can’t grasp.
Millions watch Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, or The Handmaid’s Tale, full of murder, RAPE, assault, and worse.
Do they all “support” those acts? Of course not.
If you can’t separate storytelling from real life, that’s a you problem, not this show problem.
He then covered Chae Ha's eyes as he kissed him, his emotions spilling over in every touch. Then he said, "Don't look at me. I don't want to see you." 💔 He then entered Chae Ha from behind, it was raw and intense, I was left absolutely speechless.😭🖤
I will miss Lost to You can’t believe final episode tomorrow