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They stated that they intentionally went for the 2020 vibes.

I agree that a lot of things could have been done a lot of things better but I can overlook most of its faults if Im entertained. Unfortunately I think those things that disappoint are part of the show.
One thing that annoys me is the irritating music - but that is most Thai productions.

I am wondering if bl shows hate women?

I dont understand why they feel the need to put girls in bls AND then to make them so annoying and irritating.

to be honest I like all the characters -except the girls

l don't care about this dramas imperfections - I can overlook all that as long as the show entertains me. And so far so good.

lol also 100% agree about the other bl show that I cant wait until it ends so I can be put out of my misery.

You are correct about the stereotypes and tropes but despite all that its still entertaining and I want to see more. I also think its cute and the show does not bore me. (So i forgive a lot)

Im really interested to understand what you found to be toxic. Is any conflict or a disagreement between characters described as toxicity? In real life people fight, cheat, breakup, etc. Should we not see all that type of behaviour in dramas?
I think its more messy then toxic so far.

Its an embarrassing mess but I dont know if its a flop - financially speaking.
I am so curious to know the viewing numbers and the financials.

It most certainly deserves to flop because its bad considering the money they have spent. If you are a NNZ fan then you would love this show. For most of us its boring.
I dont care what happens next - except to breath a sigh of relief when it finally ends.
The posts here have been amusing so i will miss these discussions.

Absolutely, the main focus was a vanity project for NNZ which is driven by HYPE. The end result was style over substance.

Personally, I would rather watch a low budget but interesting and entertaining bl than something that bores me.

Some of my favourites are also Thai - Between Us, My stand in and Only Friends. Currently there are a lot of good Thai productions especially some of the latest ones eg TopForm, Reset etc,

I think the problem with Thai bls is that they have a set budget which limits resources. And they produce a lot of quantity. Sometimes focus on quantity

Thank you for understanding what im trying to say toxic behaviour (i have said a lot about it)

lol I admit to being a bit shallow re the good looking characters. But in all honesty I can overlook a lot in quality as long as I am being entertained. Sometimes the budget is not there and I can accept that.

You dont have to watch like a NYT critic - BUT you should be entertained and engaged by the drama you are watching. That is the ultimate criteria for a successful show to the viewer. This show is not doing that for a lot of people.

I see the score has dropped down to an 8 now.

A high score is not given simply because its your "best" project. Sometimes what is your best is just not good enough.

A drama earns a high score by offering an engaging story, a good script, holding viewers interest and entertaining them at the very least.
This does not achieve the above.

A lot of people here are disappointed in the show. Look at the comments being posted.

I really dont know how they make money from these series - what the revenue breakdown is and the various sources of revenue. It would be so interesting to see a general analysis of a typical bl drama series - for an approximate breakdown of both the costs and the revenues

I dont know what targets they have to meet to earn forecast revenue.
It would be interesting to see viewership numbers and to see what targets needed to be met so they can breakeven or make a profit.

I thought that this drama had high view numbers, high engagement and ratings (which are not justified in my opinion - and others). I believed that they are doing okay and they would have budgeted appropriated when they spent a fortune - ie looked at both costs and revenue. (so they can breakeven or profit)

I wonder if someone could shed light.......

edit - some grammar

My question is: Why does this vanity project for NNZ still have a rating of 8.1?

Yes and they are so good looking

Its a good ending. I like that its left to interpretation.

In my interpretation, it was real for both of them at that time, but reality/maturity kicked in for Jae Ha, and they went their separate ways.
Would it have have been sustainable if they stayed together - I dont know once the initial sparks of romance settle. Was it circumstantial - you can say that about most relationships.
Acting was good.

It had nice music - or am i so used to the thai bls and their sounds

Its absurd if you think about it.

The thing is in real life people (we all are) are flawed and dont behave well a lot of the time - we behave emotionally, immaturely, dishonestly. Bad behaviour is almost normalised and accepted in the real world. (Can give so many examples). So why cant we accept flawed imperfect characters in dramas and try to understand them. Why are people freaking out here.

I'm the opposite.
If its FICTION I accept and embrace flawed, messy, toxic, evil, as long as the character is interesting and entertaining and even educational. In real life, i have or try to have higher standards in acceptable behaviour (for myself and others).

Im with you on Chakri

This was good. I love toxic, trauma, dark messy f*ked up dramas. BUT I most certainly chose white with this one .
I may revisit noir when i am braver.

thank you