Amaryllis_Flower

You must be missing something. Someone else here said the same thing. They're too many threads here for me to go and find it.

So I went back to the scene where Ramil pulls Paytai out of the art class.

I carefully looked at all of his expressions when Ramil shoved him against the pole at the university and after they got into the car

The only expressions I saw were terror, sadness, moisture on his face from crying, and contrition for his "bad behavior". And if you're saying he was happy about getting beaten then I don't know what to say to you.

Terror doesn't look like smiling. Sadness and contrition doesn't look like ecstasy. A person who wants to be a sub doesn't act like that.

I don't think anybody in this group save for one person I spoke to has ever read a book on BDSM or been involved in the lifestyle.

And if you're going to call me Mary I will start calling you Susie.

The writers should have read a few books on BDSM and spoken to some people in the lifestyle. Because if that is their intent for the end they are sure going about it the wrong way.

Oh and PS. The scene with the scarf was from the old pilot. That was shot before NuNew even dyed his hair and those scenes so far haven't been in the series. I don't believe any of that content will be in the series.

At 28:53 Ramil drags Paytai out of Charan's studio and shoves him against a pole. He looks scared and he looks like he was crying. Ramil says does Paytai know what his duties are and who he belongs to. Paytai replies in the affirmative and says but there isn't a rule that he can't study art. Ramil says he can't because Charan works for the Assavadevathins, threatens him to stay away from them unless he wants trouble.

At 30:07 Paytai is in the car putting on the emergency dog collar looking very sad. As he hands Ramil the end of the leash he says I'm fully aware of who I belong to. Looks very contrite. Says he knows he's acted inappropriately and asks Ramil to punish him.

Ramil then pulls him by the dog collar leash and tells him you are mine. Paytai's face is all wet and looks like he's been crying. He nods his head in response looking really sad.

Then Ramil kisses him and grabs his thigh. And that's the end of the scene.

I don't know where you saw any smiling or anything at all that indicated that Paytai was happy about any of this.

BDSM involves getting dominated or being dominant for each of your personal pleasure. You consent to the activity. You won't cower and cry when you're getting beaten, or wearing a collar if it gets you off.

Paytai is Ramil's whipping boy, someone procured by his father to be punished instead of the prince. So when Ramil misbehaves Paytai gets punished for it.

Ramil and Paytai seem to have some kind of sexual relationship as well. But Ramil dominates him and Paytai doesn't have a choice in the matter.

This is not like a normal BDSM relationship where a sub or slave agrees to be one. There is no consent here.

It's definitely non-consensual. Paytai is a whipping boy and that role never involves consent.

How can anyone not love Chakri. They need to give him more royal duties so he can follow Khanin 24/7. 🙂

Paytai.

Can't get past the making Ian Yi a horrible human being. He's often a second male lead and one who doesn't get the girl but he's never been evil before.

I'm only a little more than halfway through but this is really ruining it for me.

Noble doesn't necessarily mean rich. There are a lot of impoverished nobles.

My mother-in-law was actually from an impoverished royalty connected family from Estonia. When she came to the US she married a man who was decidedly not noble or rich and lived a life she hated. But that's the story for another time. At least he didn't beat her.

Noble Family fits in with the historic scenario for whipping boy.

Oh, you're just recommending a series about it. Gotcha.

If he has no choice it is not BDSM. Consent is imperative.

Paytai can be dismissed but he can't decide to leave. And you think that means he isn't a hostage?

I understand all of Khanin's motivations and I don't blame him at all for not really understanding Charan. He is a man that has been trained to be obedient and not to show his emotions. The few times he said anything about caring for Khanin it was a huge reach out of his comfort zone.

He is not a man that's going to be easy to get close to because of the conflict he feels between duty and love. Also he would be very slow to commit to love because of his belief that you meet your love and you are with them forever. That kiss seals the deal.

Khanin is not kinky at all, or at least we haven't seen any evidence that he's kinky so far. He's a not very mature 22-year-old who's been ripped out of the only homie ever knew. He's not sure whether his father's dead, he's in the Royal Palace with a bunch of people he doesn't trust except for Charan. He wants to keep the only person that he does trust near him and how can you blame him for that? The only other trustworthy person in that palace is his butler but he doesn't have the same close personal attachment to him.

Paytai has no autonomy. And it would be hard to believe that being whipped is his kink from the way he acted while he was being beaten.

If you want to take a simple and more direct case of him having no autonomy, Ramil tells him that he isn't allowed to take a painting class and Paytai said there was nothing that should prevent him from doing that. So he didn't even have the autonomy to do something simple like that.

Then he gets into the car puts a collar around his neck while he's crying. These are not the signals that someone has consented.

If you like a kink it makes you happy. It doesn't make you cry or cower in fear.

Not everyone here understands BDSM, or consent and abuse for that matter. And not everyone here has the same educational background.

It's a discussion board and there is no entrance exam. You get what you get. But being agreed with doesn't necessarily mean that the people agreeing with you understand the subject.

He's not a servant. He's a whipping boy, so a slave. Historically whipping boys were never from low class families.