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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Thanks for letting me know.

Yea, I haven't watched that one nor am I planning too despite it being one of the more popular dramas. I'll probably watch it in the future but at my current stage, I can't stand episodic court dramas were there is a case, it takes 2-3 episodes to solve it and then hop into the next case. And I'm pretty sure that drama have that structure.

I just started this and strangely, the male actor reminds me a bit of Ju Ji Hoon and Namkoong Min. I don't remember seeing this actor before (saw he is in Tale of Nokdu but he doesn't ring a bell for me) but he pretty talented from the 3 episodes I've seen him in.

Gave everyone a like under this thread.

I would say the documentary Junseo did is also the way some of the viewers think. That's why we have viewers here who genuinely believes she is evil, people who believe she is responsible for everyone that got hurt (grandma, Ingang and Jaeoh) and that she manipulated all of these people into their death, and believe she lived longer because the bad guys win and she's the bad guy in the story for them. They believe she is behind the vicious cycle. His documentary present how people view her.

Usually, when someone gets exposed there is always a division between the people because there are different sides of the story. His story, her story and the truth. People usually decide on which version they liked the most.

This! I wanted to talk about Ahjin and Jaeo friendship. How they both experiences abused and that's why when HE killed his father, she asked him to cry and repent to have shorter sentence because she knew he deserved better than jail and deep down, she wanted that outcome for her dad. Truly a mirror but he was a kind mirror. The one that carried guilt while she wasn't. She doesn't believe she should carry guilty for people who ruined her life. I have a much deeper analysis and conversation I wanted to share but I'm tired of the audience that this show somehow attracted. So I feel refreshed reading your post and how you brought out relevant details of law school, the connection she have with grandma and Jaeo and what she actually hoped to achieve.

Exactly. Some of them will wake up and realize these men are awful too... soon but I'm sure some are convinced he is the good guy.

Don't talk to me about Jaeo, that's my pookie bear 😭 he deserved the happy ending the most.

I hope she's no longer surrounded by people who wants her downfall because that started the whole, "I want power so no one can discard and use me." That led her to marrying that scum.

I posted but it was super long but I couldn't help it. I held my head in SHOCK because of how dumb he was in that last episode. I almost dropped it mid episode but my sister was like, "WE ARE NEAR THE END, KEEP WATCHING."

Like Junseo was her accomplice. He was covering the crimes Ahjin was doing yet everyone were drooling over him while claiming she is the devil.

Ep 12 big spoiler so if you haven't finished this episode, don't read.

Worst ending. The way Jun Seo is consistently making some of the worst decisions while keeping his name in good grace. He was her accomplice for the longest time yet exempted himself from real accountability. Not only did he let the main perparator escape consequence of killing his friend. Dohyeok was a bigger threat than Ahjin. He have resources, he controls media, he manipulate the public to his benefit, he have money, network, media, ALL OF IT. Instead of bringing him down, he told him to stay out of it and chose to be his accomplice
(HE HAVE MANY VICTIMS???? REAL VICTIMS WHICH AMONG WAS YOUR FRIEND???)

And instead chose to bring Ahjin down, who had nothing. The level of idiocy almost had me crashing out. Like at least take him down too???? Put his ass in documentary too? My problem is that he was telling her to "stay put and not interfere." He is drugging her and purposely triggering her to commit more violence out of the affects of drugs. No, she CAN'T FUCKING STAY PUT!

Now let's talk about his stupid ass "documentary" that he FABRICATED.

He brought in the bully as a witness (LMAO?????) who stabbed Ahjin, to let us know that Ahjin is the true evil mastermind here.

Ahjin = evil
Sunghee = sweet innocent victim. Did you see the halo on her head when she bullied Ahjin, used connection, wanting to spread rumors that she was sleeping a teacher, used her family position to gain advantage and beat down on an orphan for winning 1st place and STABBED HER for MONEY? Truly an angel here.

Ahjin = evil
Her dad = victim

Sad that he was gone after he killed her mom (that he knew was abusing his daughter) then proceeded to suggest to new wife that he wants to sell his 6-10 year old daughter sexual content and child porngraphy. His wife then proceeded to use her the power imbalance to drown/abuse her and later on, gave her dad her location to abuse her, he was in talks about how he wants to sell her off to human trafficking and sell her body to prostitution because she is a pretty teenagr, beating her up until she was unconscious for 3 DAYS and coercing her for money that she can't make. But oh poor him, a true victim from the monster called Ahjin.

Ahjin = evil
Ingang = her victim

The grandma is allergic is cats and died by accident. Ingang is severely depressed and couldn't handle the heavy emotions he was feeling so he took his own life. He was victim but she didn't kill him. It was just a shitty breakup. Sunjeo was begging her to break up just for him to blame her for doing that. Same with that entertainment leader who wanted to ruin her life even though she wanted her to leave Ingang. So for the brother to be a witness about how she didn't visit Ingang funeral... Like...

Ahjin = evil
Boss = victim

He chose to forgave her so he made the CHOICE to forgive and is cheering her own.

All of these Junseo was an accomplice. He didn't even mention how big of a role he played in all of it. Just for him to attempt a double suicide (without her consent) the jooookeeees. So glad she survived and climbed her way out of that car to the top.

Ahjin biggest sin is not allowing her father to kill her because at least then, the viewers would have sympathised with her than view her as a evil monster.

Someone being diagnosed with sociopath or psychopath doesn't mean they will be a monster. Making this assumption that they are the same is simply ignorant.

You are making the wrong type of comparisons here. The boss was willing to beat the stalker when he attacked her. So he was okay with attacking him and delivering a fatal blow when it's a stalker who was going to kill him but apparently, the attack being the father changes? They both attacked her and he was making that choice out of self righteous. The decision to strike was still his. The only thing that changed was the attack was someone else. It's doesn't the fact the ATTACKhappened and it was done of out righteous to save someone! If I went by your logic that you applied here, it's saving someone from drowning. Does knowing WHO you saved change the fact you wanted to save them??

What part makes her a monster? Is it the part where she wanted her abusive, child trafficking dad to die? Because it can't be the so called "manipulation". She just simply asked for help and they ran. These men made those decisions, these men had a CHOICE. Y'all hated it that the choice benefitted her during her time of suffering.

Ooh this shitty ending... I already liked Junseo the least but he is truly the worst character in the show now. The last few minutes of the ending... Deserveddddd. I'm going to make a longer post on why I hate him.

I already said he is the only one I see as a victim here. She didn't manipulate everything, she did have a stalker, would it have changed if we replaced the father with the stalker instead? Would it change the way you see the outcome?

You guys are right. The dramas airing now are pretty enjoyable. The entire year, it was just slow and the dramas are whatever. I've been watching cdramas the most almost all year long yet I saw everyone saying the ones airing now are pretty good so I gave Spirit Finger a try. It was a very cute, youth, kinda cringe but also really good romance - slice of life drama the more it progressed.

Now I see Dear X and it's something different than usual. I'm going to watch The Manipulated and then Dynamite Kiss because people are talking about these two as well. I'll also give Moon River a try and, of course, Taxi Driver (I've seen the first season, might as well catch up since I already like it)

Agree. Feel like the CEO didn't get to play a pivotal role yet they introduced him super late. I feel like the ending will be messy and rushed because I'm used to Kdrama not having proper endings.

Watching the fandom treat her like the worst person while NOT saying about the actual abusive and evil people in the same show...

But I'm not surprised. I've been in many fandom where fans struggle to sympathise with female characters for saying something insensitive ONCE. You will suddenly see them among a list of pedophiles, murderers, nazi, child abusers. I think the fact they are not attracted to women makes it easier to judge FLs. While with men, they overlook their crimes by analyzing "why" they are like that and doing mental labor to fill in the gaps. I'm not against this because I enjoy villainous characters regardless of gender but I can't stand it when it's more obvious that's it's misogyny.

We got the elitist here. Are only specific types of shows allowed to exist and everything else shouldn't? There are variety of genres existing so it appeals to different audiences. You don't like these edgy shows? Let me tell you a shocking discovery that there are more than a 100,000 shows that came out the last three decades that are NOT edgy. You are welcome to go watch them.

Finally caught up to the latest episodes and boy is he foul for purposely triggering her memory of her father's death. He had that clock not work right at the estimated time of death when she killed him. I heard he is crazy and I'm invested to see how crazier he can get. I hope she beats him at his own game and if it doesn't happen, I'll welcome her downfall too. Both conclusions are entertaining.